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  • Yes, as a first time Porsche buyer I would agree that the early 90s cars can be risky. It really depends on what has been done to it.

     

    You NEED to buy this book from Amazon by Peter Zimmerman! Best $20 you'll ever spend.

     

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0963172670/qid=1104- - 855701/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/103-7816522-6856635?v=glance&s=books

     

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  • lopezlopez Posts: 2
    I have a 996 1999 cabrio and the seal for the plastic window is breaking down. The dealer said that I have to replace the entire top. This car has been well kept and garaged. Does anyone knows why or an alternative to replacing the top?
  • Seems to be the way convertible tops are going. New Corvette, same deal, whole new top.

     

    The problem is that the labor to remove the top so as to repair it is so high that you might as well replace the top. This is the logic and it makes sense I guess.

     

    So is the window separating from the top, and you are getting a leak. Is that the issue?
  • jwilson1jwilson1 Posts: 956
    Try a local auto upholstery/top shop -- they may be able to help .... or not, but worth a check before handing over the swag for a new top.

     

    JW
  • jwilson1jwilson1 Posts: 956
    I don't know why it's Jan. 21 and I'm only now finding out this topic has had traffic -- the new software has been out to lunch maybe?

     

    One of the reasons there are so many good deals around for the 90-91s, trialfast, is because of that reputation. And ten years ago, it would have been correct. But, in my opinion, it is likely no longer valid, and a good looking deal on a good looking 90-91 is truly a good deal in all likelihood. Here's why:

     

    The 90-91 got a reputation for bad oil leaks from the Porsche experiment with a seal-less case, it had a problem with its dual-mass flywheel, and the distributor sometimes wreaked havoc due to not being vented so the ozone buildup inside would corrupt the belt which would then break with, potentially, catastrophic results. Sounds bad, right?

     

    But -- if a car is still running and has been owned by a Porsche fan .... all of that stuff has been fixed or is not going to be an issue -- it's been 14 years, after all. Here's the scoop -- in 92, Porsche revised the flywheel. (Most owners have since upgraded the flywheel on their 90-91.) In '92, Porsche switched to a sealed case -- badly leaking cases were upgraded. Many (most?) never sprang a serious leak and, while some people are paranoid about a dime-size drop on the garage floor, the fact is that you have 14 some quarts to work with! Finally, the distributor vent costs 75 cents for you to fix, $20 at the dealer, with a kit that was made available in 92 or 93. (But if the vent needs to be added, you will probably want to change the belt to be safe .... that is more expensive.)

     

    The fact is that the 911, beginning with the C4 in 89 (and the C2 in 90) is a major step forward over previous 911s, though purists from the good ole days will argue the point. Those who like the air-cooled machines that were marketed from 90-98, however, conduct their argument with torque and horsepower -- you just can't beat it! The car is a delightful beast.

     

    The 964 was available from 89-94 and prices for it are quite a bit cheaper than for the 993 (95-98). This is because people felt the 964 had awkward looking bumpers, or so I understand, but of course 964 owners are perfectly happy with their choice. 993 owners have a more powerful car yet, and a style that is a little more modern with the swept-back headlights, a look that, again, is a matter of taste. They have bid the prices on the 993 version up beyond reasonable value and they are only now starting to depreciate quickly. If you want one, I'd suggest buying a 964 for acouple of years to tide you over, then pick up a good 993 when the prices quit falling so fast.

     

    The book Shifty recommended is a good one, but if you get a 964, you'll really want "Porsche 911: Enthusiast's Companion, Carrera 2, Carrera 4 and Turbo: 1989-1994" by Adrian Streather. A lot of stuff you hear about Porsches is more legend than fact, but Streather's book is all fact and backed up with actual research.

     

    My own car is a 93, just in case you wanted to know.

     

    Good luck in your decision. Have you driven one of the cars, yet? Any car you are interested in should have COMPLETE service records -- if not, walk away. And any car should have a thorough going over by an independent Porsche mechanic in a PPI (usually $150-$250) -- don't go to the dealer for this as dealer mechanics are no longer used to working on the air-cooled machines and often aren't all that sure of what they are looking at.

     

    JW
  • kyfdx@Edmundskyfdx@Edmunds Posts: 25,881
    There was some kind of glitch with this thread.. I read messages #25 and #26 when they were posted, but for some reason they popped back up earlier this afternoon.. I suspect the same thing happened to you...

     

    Good info on the 964... interesting..

     

    regards,

    kyfdx

    Moderator - Prices Paid, Lease Questions, SUVs

  • Streather's book would be good for the "newer" models, definitely. Zimmerman's book does cover the problem with the early 90s cars, though, and it's enough to make you gulp and swallow.

     

    Sellers of old Porsches come in three sizes....the Good (Angels sent to help us), the Bad (ignorant) and the Ugly Bad (treacherous fiends).
  • highenderhighender Posts: 1,362
    shifty ?

     

    I had a early 1982 928...

     

    it never gave us any trouble....it was great....wife OKed another 928... so I am searching....
  • Mine has been great, a real trooper. Only problems were:

     

    1. Previous owner's neglect

     

    2. Stupid electrical glitches, like car alarm, electric door locks.

     

    But when I bought my used Porsches (this is #4, I've had one of each 914, 911, 912 and 928) I followed my own advice (for a change). I bought cars with a recorded history, had a good shop go over it with a fine tooth comb, and bargained a price to allow enough budget to bring the car "up to a safe and reliable standard".

     

    Each time it worked out for me. There were no unpleasant surprises. Sure, I had to throw some money at each of these cars, but I had fun and while I never "made" money, I never took a bath on one, either.

     

    The newer Porsches I can't quite afford---well, I could buy a mid 90s but then I'd have to do without other luxuries like health insurance. If this year is more prosperous I'd like to upgrade to an SC cabriolet. I'm shy of the 90-91s and won't buy one personally. I don't care who did what to it. I'm stubborn about that.

     

    The new ones I've driven (2004) are of course a dream to drive compared to the old iron I'm pushin', but in some ways the older cars have a lot to offer as well.

     

    I love that V-8 thunder and that King Kong gearshift on the 928. At the end of the day I feel I've been flying an old Mustang, not an F-16.

     

    sorry for rambling. Porsche people get like this.
  • jwilson1jwilson1 Posts: 956
    "Porsche people get like this."

     

    Thank God, I thought my mind was going! lol

     

    JW
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
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    Shifty, paint your 928 like this if you really want that P-51 feeling.

    Maybe throw on the shark's teeth and invasion stripes?

     

    Hey JW, howdy partner!

     

    Speeds2much, it's been a while. Has your P ship come in? Gettin' close?

    Hope all's well.
  • Actually that's what owners call the 928---"the shark", because the last models they made can eat a lot of expensive cars for breakfast. Mine isn't that fast, it's only a 4.5 liter sohc V8, but since the catalytic fell off accidentally and we re-worked it a bit, it's good enough for most street work.
  • jwilson1jwilson1 Posts: 956
    I take it that this is what you've done to the Boxster!

     

    How does Mrs. Designman like it?

     

    Good to see you again. JW
  • balapbalap Posts: 12
    Hi,

    I am taking the last few careful steps before I own a Porsche. I am debating between a 2005 Boxster Conv and 2003 911(996) Carrera cab(RWD). My heart is for the latter (cant afford a new 911 though). Pardon my long post !

    I wanted feedback and guidance on 3 key things :

     

    1. Any known issues or things to watch out from a day to day or maintainence issues POV on either the 2005 Boxster or 2003 911 ?

     

    2. Advise on pricing and deal.

    The Boxster is a 2005 and currently with its options incl 18" Boxster S wheels, climate control, heated seats, sound package plus & windstop (deflector) is at MSRP $48,775. What is the realistic deal I can expect in terms of discount or any suggestion on what I can ask for. This car is at the dealers for ready delivery.

    On the 2003 911, it is a certified one. Hence the warranty should run at least till 2007/48k or 2009/100k.It is with Tiptronic, 16k miles on it and has full leather, rear spoiler, bose sound package etc. The KBB value is $74,160. The dealer is quoting $72,995. According to the inspection report the car is in great shape except one curbed wheel. The tires are very fresh Frt6/32 and Rr8/32 (new 10/32). Again what is the realistic deal I can push for here.

     

    3. This is more a financial solution question. With the boxster I could potentially buy it through a car loan, and with the 911 I would like to stick to a lease. But given that if I buy the boxster I would like to get a 911 in say 3yrs time, I am keen to lease that too. Any dos and donts on lease vs buy on either the 2005 boxster or more importantly on the 2003 911 ? Am i going to pay way too much into the equity and walk away on the 2003 911, if i decide to switch to a 911 S or 911 AWD later.

     

    since I am a less experienced on the porsche side any other feedback or inputs would be great too.

    Thanks
  • balap - One known issue for most/all Porsches is a tendency to leak oil. The 996 owners sometimes gripe about an RMS (rear main seal) problem, which POTENTIALLY could lead to an engine failure if not addressed. If cost is an issue, naturally you're better off with a Boxster.

     

    designman - Whoa, where'd you find that tank!? lol Does it have twin machine gun mounts on the hood? I think the owner should rent out the car to Hollywood. As for your question, yes, I'm getting close. :o)) It would be a 2006 997 oooor the mysterious upcoming Boxster coupe, which I have to consider, first of all for the substantial cost savings, but also because I might actually like it more on a ride/balance basis. I could also order special paint and leather and still come out way ahead. The main selling points for the 997, for me anyway, are that it has more power, more room, has a cleaner design and those back seats for the emergency take-a-friend or niece situation. I'm 6'1" and am tired of my sardine can cramped Jag. But we'll see....I can lease the car through my business, so 75% is a write-off, anyway.
  • 1) Tiptronic really kills the value of a Porsche... It might not be showing up in the value of that '03, but it will surely show up when you get ready to sell it.. Should probably be a $3K-$4K deduction..

     

    2) Used car leases are rarely good deals... If the only way to afford the 911 is a lease, then pass on it..

     

    3) A lease is a good idea for the Boxster.. If at the end of the lease, you like it, you could always purchase it for the residual value.. If not, you'll be ready to buy that 911...

     

    Not an expert... just my $0.02..

     

    regards,

    kyfdx

    Moderator - Prices Paid, Lease Questions, SUVs

  • lopezlopez Posts: 2
    Yes, but is not leaking yet. Thanks a lot
  • balapbalap Posts: 12
    Thanks for the tips and advise so far,appreciate it. Given that now I am swinging more in favour of the Boxster 2005 manual, any guidance on what kind of discount or reduction I should expect on the MSRP ?

    Thanks

    Bala
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    JW… I think the GT3 above is a scream but going camouflage takes some brass aye? Maybe next year ;-) I’m working on Photoshopping a purple Boxster with flames. To this day I still haven’t seen a flame job that I totally care for but I love the motif regardless, you know, the full-throttle circus look. Flame jobs are like bouquets—they’re all different. Will post it if I find the time and ambition to finish. May even use it as my avatar on rennlist.

     

    Speeds2much… Curious how you call your Jag a sardine can. The 911 ain’t exactly a king size bed. I’ve often pondered how small they really are. But the ride is so “large” that everything else tends becomes insignificant. I remember you once saying that the drop-top quickly got old for you. I hope the cockpit size of the 911 doesn’t do this to you because if you need your space it could indeed wear you out as a daily driver.

     

    Balap… the 986 and 996 Porsches—the previous generation Boxster and 911—are taking a hit with resale, especially the Boxster, so be careful what you buy. I’m not saying don’t buy them, but do your research because you can easily overpay. Take advantage of the depreciation on the purchase. From what I understand there are still 04 leftovers going at hefty discounts while the discounts on the new models are not so good. So, as “first model year” equates to excitement, it also means “kiss money goodbye.” I think you can do better on that 03 911. As far as the Boxster, it’s too early to get a beat on prices as the early must-have buyers keep the prices up near retail—not what yours truly is willing to pay in light of Porsche pricing in recent years.
  • designman brings up a good point.. I see a lot of low mileage Boxsters (under 15K miles), that you can buy for around $30K-$35K... I'd rather shoot for an '03 around that price, or maybe a leftover '04 for around $40K-$45K...

     

    And remember... Expensive Porsche options bring only about 10%-20% of their value on resale... and a Tiptronic will actually lose you money over and above the option cost.. If buying new, get the cheapest one you can find..

     

    regards,

    kyfdx

    Moderator - Prices Paid, Lease Questions, SUVs

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