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  • jwilson1jwilson1 Posts: 956
    Hey, next time I shop, will you come along? Wow.

    JW
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 27,652
    Sure.. as long as I get to drive the Porsche on weekends!!

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  • Hot off the press...Porsche's web site has a video for the upcoming Boxster Coupe. They're not showing the product yet but the video's slick.

    It's going to be positioned between the Boxster S and 997, 295 hp, as jwilson1 and I were saying. I do think this will hurt 997 sales. If the car looks as great as Porsche is hinting in its press releases, many who are not necessarily 911 purists will be hard-pressed to justify the extra $$$ for the 997. (Like me...) However, someone who goes for a Cayman S who was previously considering a 997 may feel "rich" and pile on more custom options, so it may be more profitable for Porsche than the 997.

    designman...what would you say about spending an extra $3k for Dark Olive Metallic instead of taking the free Black?
  • jwilson1jwilson1 Posts: 956
    Did you see the article and pic in Inline? You were right about price, too, speeds2much.

    I'm glad it's a little bigger than the Boxster as I had trouble finding a comfortable position in the 986.

    JW
  • Yep, sometimes I get lucky. :o)

    Missed the Inline article, but I did check out GermanCarFans and a few UK sites. The car looks fantastic and I like the concept behind the name (fast reptilian predator), but it's too bad some people are already bashing the name because it can be, how to say this, twisted around. ...Of course, the 997 has an "overweight" rap of its own. I always say buy what you like, period.
  • indyeindye Posts: 2
    hello all.
    Being that Porsche has launched their teaser campaign to stall out buyers and turn their heads "this way", has anyone read anything as deliveriy of the C7S to dealerships?
    I am one who, (as someone wrote), is not a 911 purist, but WAS a week from buying a 997. And this comes along. Crap. Almost feel that I have to now wait and see this Cayman. From what I've seen It's beautiful.
    -indye
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    You have good taste. Love the dark olive. Works with black and all of the earth-tone interiors. You probably know this but look at the cylindrical samples at the dealer in sunlight. The small swatches in the brochure can be misleading and the olive in the catalog looks almost black. I could see myself with an olive Boxster, deep tan ragtop and custom brown leather. I never cared for monochromatic matches.

    Is it worth the extra dough? Your call. I assume you are leasing because I can practically guarantee that color will not be popular. I’ve come to the conclusion that most people are chicken when it comes to color and they run from anything with green in it. Except money of course ;-)

    There was time when Porsche made a color called Granite Green, a very sophisticated color IMO. Calling it green was quite stretch. If memory serves me correctly it was actually a medium gray metallic with an ever-so-subtle hint of olive. Would have bought it in a fingersnap. However to this day I have yet to see one on the road. Not sure if they even sold one.
  • You got right to the heart of my question. In the Porsche brochure, the olive green looks practically black. Then I'd also worry more about paint matching after any unfortunate event.

    Wow, olive Boxster with deep tan ragtop and custom brown...has a hint of British sportscar, but richer and more sophisticated. The Terracota interior with dark olive...that would be at the top of list, too, money permitting.
  • xkssxkss Posts: 722
    death of the 911. Let's face it, a rear-engined-car is a bad idea. The once-wild 911 Turbo can be driven by a pimple-face 15-year-old with an automatic transmission! Notice how many racecars besides the 911 have a rear-mounted engines.

    The 2005 911 is still suffering from RMS leaks (rear main seal). This has been going on with water-cooled Porsche sports cars since the 1997 Boxster and Porsche won't fix it!

    It is bad enough that they had to sell out and make an SUV but to not fix the RMS leak?
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    xkss… I agree that Cayman could be the seed of this possibility. The market is demanding increases in power. For the 911 this would seem to require bringing the engine forward. They just can't keep adding weight back there. And a 911 without a rear engine is not a 911.

    The more I think about the Cayman configuration, the more I think it is a test for the future "911". I can't see Cayman conquering new markets. I believe it may be a case of robbing Peter to pay Paul. Cayman should get a piece of both Boxster and 911 markets, and depending on how it is received may determine the future of the 911.

    A base-Boxster Cayman would probably bring in new low-end buyers, but one that transcends the Boxster S at $60+K could only sell to existing enthusiasts IMO, especially since drop-tops account for the majority of their non-SUV sales. I have to believe Porsche knows this and is calculating its moves accordingly. I don't think for one minute that Cayman is a market-expansion vehicle. However, corporate spin will probably suggest otherwise.

    The death of the 911 sounds like heresy but somewhere down the road a 400+ hp mid-engine 911-priced Porsche would not be such a shabby proposition. Indeed, the eye of the tiger may be focused on a certain crocodile.

    "Let's face it, a rear-engined-car is a bad idea."

    Well, riding bulls in a rodeo is a bad idea too ;-)

    "The 2005 911 is still suffering from RMS leaks (rear main seal). This has been going on with water-cooled Porsche sports cars since the 1997 Boxster and Porsche won't fix it!"

    Not all RMS Porsches have the RMS problem. As a matter of fact, 911s and Boxsters have done quite well with reliability. I try to stay optimistic. There aren't many alternatives to a Porsche. You have to play with the cards you are dealt.

    "You have been reading about the bad break I got.
    Yet today I consider myself the luckiest man on the face of the earth."


    I wonder what that was about. Did Lou Gehrig hit the RMS lotto or something?

    ;-)
  • Something else I'll throw into this discussion. Reuters reported that the Cayman will be 3x as profitable as the Boxster. I wonder how profit per car will compare to that of the 997.
  • visorvisor Posts: 8
    This is my first experience with buying a porsche. I have got 3 options below from a WA dealer. Since the prices are in the same range, I am leaning towards the boxster S.
    1) Appreciate if someone could help me with which is the best of the 3 options?
    2) Is there anything specific I need to check?
    3) And how much can I negotiate down from the quoted price?

    2004 Brand new Seal Grey Boxster
    Black Top
    Graphite Grey Standard Leather
    Bose (Digital) with Wind stop
    Xenon Headlights
    18" Lt Alloy Carrerra Wheels
    CD Shelf Center Console
    Wheel Caps with Colored Crests
    Cruise Control
    Remote Control Alarm System
    Graphite Grey Floor Mats
    MSRP of $51805
    Sale Price of $45177

    2004 Atlas grey boxster
    Certified Preowned
    17-inch Boxster S II wheel
    Automatic air conditioning
    BOSE® (Digital) with Windstop
    CD Shelf Center Console
    Cruise Control
    Heated Seats
    Litronic Headlights with Washer
    Remote Control Alarm
    Wheel Caps with Color Crest
    Sale Price of $44995
    Negoed down to 42995

    2003 Black Boxster S
    Certified Preowned
    18" Carrera Wheel
    Cruise Control
    Heated Seats
    Hi-Fi Sound Package (Digital)
    Litronic Headlights with Washer
    On Board Computer
    Porsche Stability Management (PSM)
    Remote Control Alarm
    Wheel Caps with Color Crest
    Wind Deflector
    Sale Price of $44995
    May come down to 42995

    Hope this is the right forum for this query. Thanks.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,404
    I thought the best of the three was actually a combination of them :)

    I like the idea of a new car but I also prefer 17" wheels.

    I'm no help am I?

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 27,652
    #1 would probably be the best buy.. Something tells me you could get $8K off MSRP on a leftover '04...

    I agree with shifty.. 17" wheels are a lot less hassle and the tires are 2/3 the price of the 18". But, the price on #2 might be the worst deal of the three.

    Only buy the Boxster S, if you absolutely have to have the power.. You don't give the mileage on the used units, but I'd say the '03 Boxster S should sell for closer to $40K.

    I'd pick option #1, if I could get it around $44K.. Plus, that is my favorite color... as if that matters.. Maybe they'd even knock off a thousand and swap for those 17" wheels on the CPO unit.

    regards,
    kyfdx

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  • visorvisor Posts: 8
    Thanks Shiftright and kyfdx. thatz a good point on the wheels which actually got me excited initially, but i see the point. spoke to them but looks like the price is not gonna come down much. will explore the option to swap wheels when meeting them tomorrow. i was looking forward to driving a speed yellow:) but what the heck, seal grey looks cool too. thanks again.
  • highenderhighender Posts: 1,362
    I just got the Porsche email about the Cayman also....

    but I was disappointed that its not going to be a 4 door, 4 seater..GT tourer....a 928 replacement... :-(

    any one know how it looks ? I could not get any pictures of the Cayman . Just got the new Chrisotphorus issue....and it did not even talk about the Cayman....

    what's with Porsche naming the cars with "Cay" prefixes ? Cayenne, Cayman, .. ? ;-)

    wouldn't numbers ala 911 be better...or are they really not the sports cars that Porsche wanted them to be ... ?
  • highenderhighender Posts: 1,362
    I offered $16,000 for the 928...1993 GTS. considering it had some electrical issues, needed AC pump, paint repair, glass repair, and had 110,000 miles...

    he wanted $20,000....which would be OK if it did not have all those issues...which may not be minor....

    saw some nice ones on ebay....but got outbid... :-(

    still looking.. .....
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,404
    Why don't you call Hi-Tec and have them build you up a car? They have a white 928 automatic that needs a transmission. Clean car otherwise.

    A very clean GTS with no problems and decent miles should be worth $30K.

    If you are buying an older 928, an automatic is way better than any 928 with a dual-disk clutch system. (up to 1987 I think).

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  • highenderhighender Posts: 1,362
    OK...I'll give them a call...

    I really want a automatic...because
    1- according to many people, the auto is better in the 928....due to weight
    2- I am not really comfortable with the layout shift pattern of the 928...where 1st gear is bottom left, instead of top left .
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,404
    Yes, it's called the LeMans transmission I believe. The shift pattern...well, you get used to it, but you can get confused sometime when downshifting, that's true. The stickshift 928s up to 1987 are a bear to drive...not because of the transmission but because of that 2-disk clutch. It hangs up on you, and doesn't release very quickly. You 'll have some clutch problem or another every 10,000 miles, I guarantee it.

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