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  • flugelflugel Posts: 34
    What dealer will give me $11,000 off as I am ready to buy a 911 coupe S with tiptronic?

    I am in the Washington, D.C. area. The dealer said maybe $5,000 plus his dealer preparation fee plus TT & L.

    The dealer says he won't be getting anymore until 2007's come in and they will probably have price increase. also, he says that he only has one tiptronic and doesn't want to get rid of it for a big discount etc.

    Advice?

    Thanks,

    Steve
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,851
    The Porsche 912 is probably best sold through your local craigslist.com, or better yet Hemmings Motor News (hemmings.com).

    The 928 Porsche El Camino (I think I know this car--is it yellow?) is definitely an Ebay item.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,851
    A 928 GTS is a fabulous car, but you must have it thoroughly checked over by a 928 specialist. These cars can be prohibitively expensive to repair and most Porsche shops do not work on them, or know nothing about them.

    Your primary concerns are: a) when was timing belt done last -- if it's due, plan to spend $1,600---$2,000 because you should also do the water pump and b) the clutch if it is a 5-speed. Also a very expensive item.

    You need to buy these cars in tip top condition. I think the GTS is the very best of the 928s but you must be prepared to spend a reasonable sum per month on maintenance. If the car is well kept and serviced regularly, it should prove reliable. If it is neglected, it will eat you for breakfast.

    By all means, have the car gone through stem to stern before you buy it. If you do buy it, line up some good aftermarket parts suppliers (google for 928 parts) so that you don't have to rely on the Porsche dealers----they don't even know what a 928 is.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,851
    You must have either a knock sensor problem or the engine is overheating. You had better correct this ASAP or you are going to melt that motor eventually. Heavy pinging is very dangerous to the well-being of the engine.

    This is, by the way, an ususual symptom for a Boxster.

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  • Hi..
    I have a 2003 911 Coupe. I bought it used a couple years ago. A few months after I bought it, I went on vacation and the car sat for two weeks. When I returned, the battery was drained and dead. I could not even charge the battery so I replaced the battery with a new one. I just got back from vacation again and was gone again for two weeks...the battery was once again drained. Should I worry or is this normal?
  • kyingkying Posts: 61
    I don't think it's normal. We have a 2004 Targa and a 2006 C4; we came back from a 2-week vacation last week, and both cars started up like they were just driven a minute ago. (Of course, we had to do the start the engine in 8 seconds or the alarm will go crazy drill.)

    I would have your car checked.
  • Hey there,
    I have recently traded an ultralight airplane for a 74-911, and a 81-928. I don't know a thing about porsches, but i thought it would be cool to learn abou them.

    My first problem (and hopefully the last). On my 928, when i start the car, it will start, then the RPM's decrease until it dies (usually in the course of 3-4 seconds) after doing this a few times, it will finely run, but rough. The idle is really low. after about 1 min of rough idleing, it will idle perfectly. Then when i go to rev it up, it will bog down. If i slowly get into it, it will rev up to about 3000 rpm, then start to spudder. The exhaust smells really rich. I replaced the fuel accumulator (because it leakes) and i replaced the spark plugs (because it was cheap to do). I ran injector cleaner through the system, and it seemed to help, but not that much at all. I didn't know whether to replace the oxygen censor (which i couldn't find on the car) or really where to start. I guess i need some guidence. Thanks
    :sick:
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,851
    First of all start with a compression test on the 928 and see what you're working with. If the compression is not good, then just get rid of the car and put your efforts into the 911. If the compression is okay, if I were you I'd hook up with some of the 928 specialists on the Internet and get some advice there, and also some manuals for the car.

    Here's some leads:

    http://www.928intl.com/

    http://www.928gt.com/

    Not too many Porsche shops work on the 928, so your 911 mechanic may not know anything about them (even if he thinks he does), and he may not care to work on them.

    Main weak points on the early 928s are timing belt, clutches and water pumps. You might disconnect the catalytic converter for a test and see how it runs. it's an easy disconnect on that car and a shop could put in a test pipe. I ran mine for a long time like that in fact.

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  • Buyers Beware at Stevenson Imports in Littleton, Colorado.
    I was purchasing a 98 porsche 911 from them. Agreed to a price and made the price subject to a prepurchase inspection. The deal was done and I wasted an entire evening searching for the mechanic to do the inspection. Called back the next morning to schedule the inspection and they told me they sold the car even though they had made a verbal contract with me. They are not to be trusted. In calling the owner of the dealership, they pretty much told me I was out of luck. Stay away if you know what is good for you.
  • Am looking for as much info on 1982 911/930 turbo production. Realize the embargo on this car was from 1980-1986 to the US. Would like to know how many of them were produced, and the pros and cons of this particular model yr. Any info on it would be appreciated...
    Stormyraine thanking you in advance.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,851
    They made 10,004 930s total from 1978-1985. Of those, 2,918 are US legal cars.

    These are fast cars, a bit crude to drive, but wayyyy fun. You have to be careful, as the turbo boost comes on RIGHT NOW RIGHT HERE, so if you punch it with the car unsettled, you are definitely going into the weeds. The joke was that these cars got rid of more drug dealers than the cops did.

    The US legal cars are probably worth more but demand is high right now. Mostly you have to watch out for cars that have been flogged or butchered by meatheads who don't know how to work on them.

    This is not a comfort car, it's a wild ride and you have to be brave to drive it at the limits. It's still seriously fast by modern standards.

    Modern Porsche turbos are far more tractable and easy to drive.

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  • Thank you...........I Have a European '82 930 model. Is a whole lot o fun to drive, and you are right. Turbo will sit your seat right into the frame when punched. Seriously, it takes your breath away. Took it on a drive to SC and was a blast to drive thru the mountains...Searched for this car for many years. I have a great mechanic who grew up with Porsche and does all my maint. work. He knows his field well. We just found an origanl factory manual for it(WHEW!! that was a tough one to find!) Will be holding onto her for a very long time. Offers have been made for it, but am enjoying the car way too much to sell. Had to learn to read km to translate to mph. A retired airforce general gave me an easy conversion. (PS....He wants it bad).......(PSS...It fits me perfect,and I am having FUN!!) Thank you for the info. I wonder just how many were produced in 1982 alone?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,851
    Don't know that. probably you'll have to ask the factory.

    Yep they are a ferocious car. Now don't get too frisky!

    Some people prefer the later models with the 5-speed (you have a 4-speed) but given all that power, it hardly matters.

    Aside from the turbo lag, you have to be careful on this car not to lift off in a hard fast turn...but you know that.

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  • Thanks...I will do that.

    Yepp..it is a 4-speed with power,and one that would be very unforgiving of a fool. You guessed right! I was frisky, and enjoyed the moments on a straight-away highway. Got the moment over with and have learned to be more respectful. My mechanic tends to care a great deal about me, ripped me a new B-hind. He probably saved me from myself, and stupidity. A lesson well learned.
    Thanks again.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,851
    Nowadays computers protect Porsche drivers from these elementary mistakes but back then you learned the hard way.

    I find the early 930s a tad intimidating. My rule is to do nothing entirely radical with either the gas pedal or the brakes unless the car is in a straight line.

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  • dhg1dhg1 Posts: 1
    what does the A2/4 designation stand for
  • Hi there.

    I am in the market for a used 911 in the $35K range.

    Since I was a kid I always wanted one and now I have finally saved up enough cash to take leap but I do not know much about the various models and the pros and cons of each.

    I want one that I can drive on weekends and that will give me the least amount of mechanical problems.

    Can you please recommends which models I should focus on and the best places to look online for them?

    Thanks,
    D
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,851
    I think a Porsche 993 (last of the air-cooled cars) from 1993 to 1997 (or early 1998), non-turbo, no AWD, no tiptronic, would be ideal. These are rugged dependable cars. Stay away from 90-92 C2s.

    Of course, you will have to shop for the cleanest, lowest mileage car you can find, with excellent service records. Any car you find that is a "mystery" as to who owned it, how it was serviced, where it came from....just walk away. Pay a premium price for a premium car and ask to see all service records, or talk to the shop that serviced it.

    Don't expect these cars to maintain their value however. They will decrease in value slowly just like any other used car, at least for the foreseeable future.

    You can drive any modern Porsche daily, just like a Corolla if you wish, and they will run a long, long time. Just bring 'er in, in the Spring and Fall and have the car thoroughly serviced.

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  • 993c4s993c4s Posts: 1
    "Don't expect these cars to maintain their value however. They will decrease in value slowly just like any other used car, at least for the foreseeable future. "

    Not sure I agree with this statement. I think 993s are at or very close to their bottom. They are very quickly becoming valued as "collector" cars and certain models within the 993 model range are quickly increasing in value (Twin Turbos, Turbo S, C2S and C4S for example).

    Now, with that said, no car should ever be bought as an investment (at least not in the price ranges we're discussing here).

    In real-estate it is location, location, location. With a used Porsche it's service history, service history, service history. I would rather a high mile care with an unblemished service history, then a low mile vehichle with a spotty past.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,851
    RE: 993s: What I meant was (more accurately) is that they are still behaving like used cars---that is, the newer years are worth more than the older years. That's the opposite of how a collectible car usually prices out. But you may be right, they might be close to bottom. It seems to take about 15 years for a Porsche to bottom out, then it starts to come up again. But not the 90--91s. The word is out on those.

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  • I am looking at a '90 Cab C2. The dealer says the top doesn't work, but he will have it fixed, and recommends "converting " it to manual the next time it has trouble. I assume the electric motors and associated cables,etc. are hard to reach / repair / maintain? Is this correct? Otherwise, the vehicle looks and runs great.

    How much does that hinder the otherwise top condition vehicle. This would be my first Porsche. I've owned several (more than 5) BMW's since '88 andd am no longer charmed. Considered an M3 convertible, but concluded nothing will compare to my old '65 AC Cobra I drove when a bachelor in the 60's. I crave that performance again now that the kids are grown (finally) and I'm recently single again, and feel that a Porsche is my best hope.

    The vehicle is listed at around $10K below Edmunds' "value" for its mileage in my zip code. I plan to take it to a Porsche dealer to have it checked out. What should that cost me?

    Thanks for the guidance.
  • I just found this forum, and see that my previous post has been moved here. :surprise:
    Where can I get a "quick study" on the recommendation to stay away from the '90-'92 C2s. I have been looking at one, and I like it. Sounds like I should keep walking, and find a '93-'97, right? Just would like to know 'why'.
    Also, what's the 411 on tiptronic? Is it ok on later models, or too expensive to maintain? :confuse:
    Thanks.

    just so you know, I'm on the East Coast, so the time here is 7:29am (I'm not THAT anal!) :shades:
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,851
    Couple of serious items on the C2s, some of which may have been dealt with by this time, some maybe not.

    Clutch -- it's a dual mass flywheel and if the clutch doesn't feel very light and very smooth, you could be in for a major gut-busting repair of maybe $3,000 or so, maybe more.

    Engine--if the car was built before June 1991 (look on left door jamb), it may develop oil leaks at the cylinder heads, requiring disassembly of the engine -- that should cost a measly $10,000 or more.

    Sooooo, if it's a low miles car, it may not have had these modifications done.

    Other stuff that's chronic is rather minor, like rear tail light lenses cracking regularly, and defective fuel tank sending units.

    Yeah, you'd better have it checked out. That would cost about $150. You don't want a "manual" top on a car like this. That's mickey-mouse IMO.

    What's the mileage on this car?

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  • maiomymaiomy Posts: 1
    hi all, i hope somebody can help me with this... i am about to buy a used 2007 911s cab. the paint on the word "carerra s" on the back of the car is painted in red, just like the car. i've researched many cars sold and the words are in silver. does this mean the car has been repainted or the back of the car has been worked on? please help before i buy!
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,621
    I think the painted lettering is an optional extra for those who want to customize their car a bit. When I was researching Boxsters I saw that option as well as others that included special paint on the brake calipers and/or wheels.

    2000 BMW 528i, 2001 BMW 330CiC

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,851
    yes it's option "CUC" I think they call it. $165 for the privilege of painting your chrome.

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  • What would be your preference assuming you could get a low mileage used 911 for ~ the same price as a new Boxster S - 65k
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Totally different cars. Mid vs. rear engine. 2 seater vs. 4 seater. Roadster vs. coupe. Only you can decide.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,851
    Well both great cars but the 911 is a totally unique experience, like say a Ferrari. You can't find this 'experience' in another car even if you tried.

    So the point of what I'm suggesting is that you have to really enjoy the 911 experience---if you don't find it unique or interesting, then go for the Boxster S, which is highly competent and fun, and every inch a Porsche---but IMHO more conventional than a 911.

    I'd gladly take either one in a contest I won :P Personally I find the 911 more visceral, especially if I found a cherry 993.

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  • I have recently experienced two engine failures on a 2007 C4S. In both cases, there was no warning, no sputtering, the engine just immediately lost power. Trying to restart the car, the starter would try but no ignition. After sitting for about 20 minutes, the car restated and ran normally for about 90 minutes, when the exact same failure occurred. The dealer says there are no fault messages in the on board computer. Anyone have any ideas?
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