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Subaru B9 Tribeca (B9X)

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  • movedormovedor Member Posts: 65
    From cars101.com:

    Invoice: $31,829 + dest $625 = $32,454
    MSRP $34,295 + dest $625 = $34,920

    NAVI is basically $1800 option is at invoice price.
  • x5killerx5killer Member Posts: 368
    $279.95 to be exact to "Replace Front bumper Cover" and was the most expensive part on my recent collision repair. Second most was to " replace L headlamp" @ 272.88. I didn't think I needed a new headlamp but I'm assuming thats what that means not just that they readjusting it or whatever. 3rd most was "Replace Ft bumper Reinf." @ 269.95 which is essentially part of the bumper as well I'm assuming.

    and 4th most expensive was "replace L fender" @ 255.95 which was also the 2nd most labor hours.

    Total damage was $2,219 and some change. I am finally reunited with Beca though and while mostly everything seems to be perfect and like new again as most of it like the bumper was replaced the hood doesn't line up with fender of the car as well as the other side that was not involved in the collision. As well as its not as seamless with the headlamp.

    Even though only I notice if you look closely you see a slight more gap between the left side of the hood and the fender and when you feel it with your hand its not as flush at the seam and sticks up a little and its not as flush with the headlamp as the other undamaged side. The hood was the one thing they didn't replace as it just had the slightest little bend in it. And while it looks perfect you can feel the difference from the other side. I might complain and especially once it goes through with the other drivers insurance paying I should try to get a new hood then I'm sure it will be as good as new exactly.

    My brother was hit in his Z and got a carbon fibre hood out of it. I think he was getting the new factory hood paid for and just figured if replacing it mine as well add the difference for a carbon fibre hood. He also got a whole Nismo aero and ground kit all the way around and hooked it all up with meshing in front and back and it looks really nice so he turned a negative into a positive but he was without his 350 Z for quite a few months and had an even crappier rental then the Ford suv I had in a Dodge neon or ford escort or something.

    Anyway I was wondering if you can even get a carbon fibre Tribeca hood? I guess that usually comes in greyish black (carbon fibre color?) but that would be cool to get it in the dark blue like the carbon fibre in the front and rear badge. I don't know how great that would look with the satin white pearl though and i'd be happy with the standard greyish black to get with the other grey/silver and black trimings and it would still go with the carbon fibre badges. I guess it would have to be custom made so maybe just a new factory hood is in order at some point.
  • x5killerx5killer Member Posts: 368
    "I'm with progressive - one car - good driver rating and they are whacking me 899.00 every 6 months. "

    That isn't good news as I have progressive too and just left Nationwide to join my wifes to make it cheaper and she is going to kill me if my car let alone the accident drives up her insurance. I think I will have to shop around and see if we can find better auto insurance like State Farm who we have dealt with before through work.

    I am unimpressed to say the least with Progressive. First while the other drivers insurance called me the day after the accident on a saturday and then repeatedly and getting me to tell them what happened even when I said I would have to call them back as I was busy and then proceded to harass me and try to tell me how I might have been at fault too and how it will be my word against her word as I didn't get a police report even though she was begging and pleading in her foreign accent that I didn't call the police because she didn't want points or to get the police for other reasons and her son was crying that she had ruined another car and been in accidents before. So there I wa sa nice guy and figured it no harm as I had all the important information well it turns out it would have helped me and now they will try to lie and fight it and coached their driver and which parts to lie about and change to get out of it while a police officer would have got her first uncoached story.

    Anyway my insurance company was just like yeah we tried to call them a few times but they didnt' answer or return our calls. Then after having 3 weeks to send the auto body shop the check for the repairs they waited till the last day when i was picking up the car and only after I called them to say ok we sent it out today (prob right after i talked to them) and the shop almost didn't let me take the car as they had no payment but my deductible I paid until I told Progressive I would drop them and they called the shop to give them proof that payment was sent.

    I couldn't handle another day in a ford and without my beca. Seeing her there all done and not being able to take her home I would have flipped, camped out and sued Progressive.
  • x5killerx5killer Member Posts: 368
    Yeah, I already stripped the screws in the driver side mirror when trying to take it off to see if i could change the orange leds in the signal mirror to white or blue.

    I'll have to find out how many miles I had on my B9 before it went into the shop as even though I know it had to go back and forth between 2 different shops a few different times I remember being over 2,000 but nowhere close to 3,000 and now i'm at 3,200 something so I need to get the 3,000 mile oil change anyway so I will just have them do the bulbs then and get my first oil change professionaly done instead of by amateur me.

    Question is which oil should I use if I buy my own and give them to use which hopefully might make it cheaper. Mobil 1? Castrol Syntec ? or other? I am going to try to get it tomorrow, otherwise on Monday.

    Also about the bulbs, I remember the whole post about the blue bulbs being junk. I got the Sylvania silver star which are decent and since pepboys doesnt' even carry any H9s at all for the high beam I may just order 2 from that vmod website and i'm sure they will be fine.
  • kmartinkmartin Member Posts: 427
    In most cars, you have to keep the vent OPEN (recirc OFF) to keep the moisture equalized, otherwise fog will form on the inside. If you are using the AUTO setting, check to see if it may be closing the vent...

    ...not that we have much fog in the desert this time of the year :-)

    -Karen in AZ-
  • x5killerx5killer Member Posts: 368
    the H9's @ http://www.hoen-usa.com/plus.htm only seem to be:

    Hoen H9 xenonmatch plus bulb pair $36.00 USD

    Shipping $3.89 USD
    Handling $5.00 USD

    Total $44.89 USD

    http://www.hitechimportlighting.com/piaa.htm
    has:
    Extreme White 4150k for 116.85/ pair
    and
    Extreme Force 4700k for 123.80/pair

    Your http://www.autothing.com/Products/PIAABulbs/products-bulbs-PIAA-intro.htm. link does not work.

    I would just order them from http://www.v-mod.com/shop/viewProductGroupDetails.asp?CID=64&PID=2490

    for 11.95 each. Thats what I did and got shipping for 5.50 so less then $30 for the pair which beats the $44.89 USD after shipping & handling @ http://www.hoen-usa.com/plus.htm and even the $36 before s&h.

    I think vmod.com is for motorcycles but the bulbs seem/sound just as good if not better tthen the ones @ hoen-usa and at least have a picture. I'm sure they will be better then the factory highbeams and will go along better with teh Sylvania silver star low beams and fog lights. Like I said before, I don't use the high beams that much anyway and last car I upgraded bulbs I didn't even bother with the high beams.
  • x5killerx5killer Member Posts: 368
    Actually the recommended mileage call for oil change is 3,750 but I'm at 3,200 something so I want to change the oil for the first time considering others did at at 1 or 2k miles.

    Anyway as I asked before ...Mobil 1? Castrol Syntec? or other?

    Also, does anyone know the invoice price on the Cooler/Warmer accessory?

    subaruparts.com has it for more then subaru.com lists it and subaru parts is supposed to be cheaper
    It has 113.95 crossed out as if that was the original and higher price but then sells it for $126.68. Subaru.com lists it as 114 so that might explain the 113.95 but it seems to be the one accesory subaruparts.com actually sells for higher then msrp and they are supposed to be lower. Edmunds nor kbb.com list that accesory so its hard to get the invoice price on it.

    Also, Subaruparts.com sells separately for use with it an ac/dc adapter, I guess for plugging into a normal wall outlet which is extra while it comes with the cord to plug into 12v outlet in cargo area of the Tribeca. And the official Subaru B9 Tribeca accessory guide list separately what they more clearly state but probably the same thing a 120v ac/dc converter which I'm wondering if it could be used also to power other electronic devices that have a regular plug like an Xbox though we've gotten into that discussion before and someone already recommended something that worked for them for xbox (I'll have to search it as I may still get that) though it was questionable if anything was actaully enough voltage to power the xbox which uses more power then any other game system as its more like a pc and especially if you modded it with a larger hdd.

    Anyway the subaru accessory guide also lists a batter adapter and a battery guard available separately as well with the cooler/warmer but don't know what those are for.

    Was thinking about getting it for travel/tailgating to a college football game next weekend (Ohio State vs. Penn State 7:45 p.m. on ESPN ....Go Lions!) and wanted to get a good price/deal on it.
  • megreyhairmegreyhair Member Posts: 154
    stripping screws... Honestly, you need to get a new screwdriver. Stripping screws are usaully caused by screwdrivers with a broken tip.
    As for oil, i wont put any syn oil in the engine until it is completely broken in, like 10K. you want the engine to worn out the 'rough' spots so i can run smoothly..
  • megreyhairmegreyhair Member Posts: 154
    not really.. It can't ge too short as the screw is like 4" inside the light assembly. As for grease... I don't don't know if that's a good idea as it does get hot in there and it could start a fire..... Maybe i can let it burn down so i can get another new car...
    :D
  • foxbat121foxbat121 Member Posts: 211
    I guess it all depends on your local adjuster. I, on the contrary, have a very good experience with Progressive. My WRX was rear ended by a truck and it was completely truck driver's fault. I called Progressive and they sent adjuster to my work place to assess the damage right away. Then, they proceeded to contact the other insurance company and call me back daily to report progress until my car is repaired.
  • onestaronestar Member Posts: 14
    Since the 90's, the break in period of a car was all but elliminated. The first 100 miles is your break in period. That's it..........
  • cluelesspacluelesspa Member Posts: 648
    please please do some research on line - google stuff like xenon bulb review ...

    there are a few really good articles on how 90% of the bulbs out there are JUNK! they will actually give you LESS lumens then OEM factory bulbs or standard Sylvania bulbs from Wal-mart.

    or they give you more lumens *measure of light* but the light is non-useable (ie . the extra light is on the top and doesn't get to the road in front.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    We have a discussion about them too:

    Headlights & Bulbs (halogen, xenon, etc.)

    Steve, Host
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    you can even get a carbon fibre Tribeca hood?

    Not likely, unless it's custom. There's just not enough volume of demand, it's not even the type of vehicle that gets this treatment (WRX is, though).

    I had Hella H4+30s, marketed as "Xenons", and while they worked well, my issue what the durability. I had 4 and none of them lasted much more than a year. So I had to carry spare bulbs in the vehicle, you never knew when they would blow out. Then you could barely see.

    I went back to the OE bulbs. 8+ years and they still have not burned out.

    -juice
  • jeffmcjeffmc Member Posts: 1,742
    allsubaru is selling the cooler/warmer for $102.95 and the ac/dc converter for $33.
    They also list the battery protector, battery guard and 8-foot power cord, I guess for if you wanted to set the cooler up on a picnic table or something but still keep it plugged in.

    Also, just so you're aware before you purchase, I'm pretty sure the Subaru cooler has a small "Outback" logo on it. I don't think there's a special B9 Tribeca version.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I think Igloo makes them?

    Any how, I would use Subaru Bucks to buy one. It's a bit pricey for a small cooler.

    -juice
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    Since the 90's, the break in period of a car was all but elliminated. The first 100 miles is your break in period. That's it..........

    Well it's in the manual, so don't tell the dealer you skipped the 1000 mile break-in if you ever want warranty work done! In fact, most new cars still call for a break-in period. Whether you agree or not, it should be something to consider.

    On my Honda S2K, they are very specific about the 600 mile break-in. The engine uses ceramic coatings (either the piston rings or the bore, can't remember, maybe both) and you have to wear it in carefully. People who ignore that generally end up with an engine that consumes oil.

    The other aspect of break-in involves going easy on the brakes. That is very important. Not sure if 100 miles is sufficient to bed everything in nicely.

    Craig
  • cadillaccadillac Member Posts: 7
    What is everyone's impressions of the Clear Bra for the Tribeca? (Protectant for hood and bumper of car.)

    Caddy
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    I have one on my Outback XT, and like it a lot. I installed it myself. Normally, the plastic parts handle rock chips a lot better than metal parts, so I only did the hood.

    Craig
  • wmarton64wmarton64 Member Posts: 12
    and it ain't good. The B9 was ranked 19th in a field of 29 midsized SUVs, although it is recommended.

    Highs: Ride, Handling, Quietness, Fit and Finish

    Lows: Acceleration, Transmission, Cramped Second- and Third-Row Seats, Child-Seat Placement.

    CR states: "Expect 16 mpg overall on premium fuel. The five-speed automatic transmission is smooth, but it's slow to respond and has to shift often to maintain speed. The Tribeca pulled our test trailer with 3,500 pounds--its limit--to 60 mph in 20.8 seconds."

    Bill
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    and it ain't good. The B9 was ranked 19th in a field of 29 midsized SUVs, although it is recommended.

    Well, it can't be (all) bad if it's recommended.

    I haven't seen the article yet, but from what you've mentioned, it's much the same that we've been saying all along. There's nothing really new there, other than the 20.8 seconds 0 – 60 with a trailer. As far as I know this is the first "actual" road "test" of this vehicle. I'm surprised the other car rags haven't tested it yet with stop watches, etc.

    Bob
  • wmarton64wmarton64 Member Posts: 12
    No, it's not all bad, but it is pretty bad for Subaru because CR carries a lot of weight among the practical crowd. I agree that they have basically reiterated issues that other car mags and folks have idenitifed.

    Here's the list of recommended cars from the evaluation:

    1 Toyota Highlander Hybrid Limited
    2 Lexus RX400h
    3 Lexus RX330
    4 Honda Pilot EX-L
    5 BMW X5 3.0i
    6 Toyota Highlander Limited (V6)
    7 Nissan Murano SL
    10 Acura MDX Touring
    11 Infiniti FX35 (V6)
    13 BMW X3 2.5i
    14 Lexus GX470
    15 mitsubishi Endeavor XLS
    16 Toyota 4Runner SR5 (V6)
    19 Subaru B9 Tribeca Limited
    20 Nissan Pathfinder LE
    24 Buick Rendezvous CXL

    Bill
  • jerrys2jerrys2 Member Posts: 189
    Coleman also makes them, got mine at Walmart last year for about $60. Great on trips ... just bring it into the motel at night and plug it in.

    Jerry
  • jerrys2jerrys2 Member Posts: 189
    Many upscale sedans l (like my Saab) come with synthetic , it has been suggested by others that the change over be done early on. I recall juice had an opinion on this sometime ago.

    Jerry
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I just got that issue of CR. The write up wasn't all that critical, at least I didn't think so.

    Bob
  • wmarton64wmarton64 Member Posts: 12
    Did they pan the Tribeca? No, clearly not, because it ended up being recommended (mostly on the strength of Subaru's reliability). But this is what they say at the beginning of the article:

    "Midsized SUVs make up the core of the sport utility market. Like others in this class, the five vehicles we tested for this issue (Mercedes Benz ML350, Subaru B9 Tribeca, Nissan Pathfinder, Land Rover LR3, and Jeep Grand Cherokee) provide more interior room and better engine performance than smaller models, and the best provide better handling and fuel economy than larger SUVs. These vehicles, however, finished mid pack or lower among the 29 midsized SUVs we've recently tested, despite sticker prices that range from $34,000 to more than $50,000."

    Hardly a glowing recommendation. A bigger problem is that CR's ranking didn't place the Tribeca on their list in any of their listed subcategories:

    If you don't need more than five seats:

    Toyota Highlander Hybrid & V6
    Lexus RX400h/RX330
    BMW X5
    Nissan Murano
    Infinit FX35
    BMW X3
    Mitsubishi Endeavor

    If a third-row seat is important:

    Toyota Highlander Hybrid & V6
    Honda Pilot
    Acura MDX
    Lexus GX470

    If off-roading or towing is important:

    Lexus GX470
    Toyota 4Runner

    While CR doesn't hate the vehicle, they also don't see much value (performance or function to $$$) in it either.

    Bill
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I don't disagree with you. I too would have liked to see Subaru do better in CR's eyes. Again, a lot of what they said, we've been saying here from Day 1. Yeah, I would have liked them to ace this segment, or at least finish in the top 6 or so. Maybe this write up is just what is needed for Subaru to offer new and improved models double-ASAP.

    I suspect the power issue will addressed first. There's not much you can do about the seating room without offering a longer wheelbase, and making the vehicle longer. You gotta remember that Subaru is a small company and doesn't have the resources to do "clean-sheet" designs, like the larger car companies do. If you look at Subaru's new model launchs over the years, they've all been like that. The body changes first with few if any mechanical upgrades. Then in a year or two, the mechanical upgrades come.

    Should it have come with a large more powerful engine? Absolutely, but we'll likely see that in a year or so. Should it have been roomier? Yes, but it's built off a modified Outback platform, which can only be stretched so far. They just don't have the money to do all these things in one big step. Unfortunately they have to do "baby steps."

    Bob
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    I guess they did not use the transmission's sport mode, which eliminates the slow response. It really irritates me when magazines [non-permissible content removed] about something like this, when all they need to do is flip the shifter to the left. I run my OB XT in sport mode all the time, and it has not had an impact on fuel economy tha tI can tell. It's a no-brainer way to make the transmission respond like you want it to. I can't believe CR did not discover this if they did a thorough test.

    Craig
  • njswamplandsnjswamplands Member Posts: 1,760
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Craig, I'm sure they just drive it like the "average owner" would. I doubt many of them will use the sport mode, let alone even know what that is. Their reporting is not geared towards people like us.

    Bob
  • robotb9robotb9 Member Posts: 82
    CR states: "Expect 16 mpg overall on premium fuel."

    In the last 2100 miles, I've averaged 21.3 mpg. I guess those experts at CR must know something I don't.
  • saedavesaedave Member Posts: 694
    CR states: "Expect 16 mpg overall on premium fuel."

    In the last 2100 miles, I've averaged 21.3 mpg. I guess those experts at CR must know something I don't.


    Their numbers are about what my VDC gets in Chicago........but only when I drive to distant suburbs. 11.5 mpg in traffic is usual. The 3 liter flat six is a lot better than my previous W8 Passat which got more like 9 mpg with the same traffic!

    If Subaru is to be competitive in a world of $3-5 fuel, a large improvement will be necessary. I personally put on so few miles that fuel economy is not relevant for my car purchases, but those who commute or are on the road covering a sales or service territory do care.
  • cluelesspacluelesspa Member Posts: 648
    but you usually cant have more HP and more efficiency. I would think they would need to offer a larger motor OPTION so you can either choose more HP or get the standard engine and work on efficiency with that engine.
  • foxbat121foxbat121 Member Posts: 211
    but you usually cant have more HP and more efficiency.

    I think part of the problem with B9 is its engine struggles too much during initial accerelation that contributes mosty to this 16 mpg in local or stop and go traffic. A larger engine with more torque down low will help this a little bit. My boss' 500HP Corvet can get 18-26 mpg with its supercharged V8 (granted RWD and light weight does help).
  • foxbat121foxbat121 Member Posts: 211
    Your number is probably mostly on unconggested highways. In local stop and go traffic, 16mpg is what I and a lot others here get.
  • aka1aka1 Member Posts: 110
    I guess you can call me one of those consumer reports reading "practical" guys... I still bought a B9 after I test drove all the competition. You don't see the B9 Tribeca on the particular lists for towing or off roading, or roomy seven seater because that's not what Subaru intended this vehicle to do.

    What the Subaru does do is this: provide adequate acceleration, superior handling, and phenomenal braking, coupled to an all wheel drive powerhouse that can get you through the elements in style. You can rest assure that when you drive the B9, people do look at you (don't know if they like it or not), you stand apart from the crowd of wannabe sport utes.

    Subaru also provides a very modern interior with ergonomics that work, switch gear that's smooth and solid- and provide a very comprehensive list of standard features. In fact it reminds me of how Acura started gaining market share in 2000 with their new TL- only option was a Navigation system.

    At the end of it all, if you like a car enough, you'll still do whatever you need to own it... I look at magazines for their objective criticism, the rest is my own choice.
  • subienewbie2subienewbie2 Member Posts: 458
    I am happy with my decision to buy a B9, but I find nothing inaccurate with the CR review. The B9 does need more power, it's MPG leaves a lot of room for improvement.

    All the post about really good MPG must be from rural or suburban drivers - not urban dwellers like me. If I get better than 16 MPG in the Chicago area I consider my self lucky. My 340 HP Infiniti did almost as well - or bad depending on your point of view.
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    What helps the vette is a super tall 6th gear. Unlike many sports cars where 6th gear is the same as a normal 5th, and they just space the gears closer, the vette's 6th is like an overdrive. It's barely trickling RPMs in 6th, which helps gas mileage a lot. Sometimes I wish more cars had a super tall highway gear. In my normal commute, the normal flow is 75mph (speed limit 65mph) and an extra gear would be appropriate!

    Craig
  • foxbat121foxbat121 Member Posts: 211
    I'm not too worried about highway mileage because Tribeca does just fine (from 21 to 24 MPG). If a Vette with 500HP can have better local MPG than a Tribeca, there is definitely something Subaru can improve on. Maybe a low pressure turbo will do the trick without sacrifice highway mileage. And of course a 6-speed transmission is welcome but I realize that probably never gonna happen.
  • djc1djc1 Member Posts: 13
    Does anyone know what would be a good price for a Subaru Gold 7yr. 100K warranty for a Tribeca?
  • megreyhairmegreyhair Member Posts: 154
    Here is my 2 cents. All the cars that were ranked higher on the list cost more than the B9, except for the Murano and Pilot. But Murano doesn't have seat for 7 and pilot is a minivan...
    :)
  • foxbat121foxbat121 Member Posts: 211
    The bottom line is all the concerns CR raised are valid and acknowledeged by owners here. As for those rankings, they are pretty accurate as well IMHO based on the criteria CR based upon. But that does not mean Tribeca is an inferior car in any means. To me, Tribeca offers best AWD and Stability Control (VDC) system (very important in my area where we see a lot of wet snow/ice during winter time). Perfect balance between handling and ride comfort. And most of all, perfect size, not much larger than Outback but still capable of seating 7 (or even occasionally 8). If you want to seat 7 adults comfortablly, you need a minivan. Not even Pilot can do this. Unfortunately, none of these are listed as important factors in CR. But I'm fine with that.
  • bt2bt2 Member Posts: 11
    Made two 2 1/2 hour trips in my Tribeca this past Saturday. After about 1 1/2 hours, I started to get a bit sore on my back and bottom which I relate to seats being too hard for my comfort. Anyone else feel that way? I have a 5 passenger limited.

    CR can say what they want about the Tribeca and I don't really care. I own it and plan to keep it for 100K. It's not perfect but at least after 2,000 miles, I can confidently say that I'm more than satisfied. It met my criteria for curb appeal, quality, driveability and crash worthiness. The reliability is an unknown but who can attest to reliability with most brands.
  • tyyeh0tyyeh0 Member Posts: 43
    Subaru's side-impact safety tests have been done here:
    www.nhtsa.dot.gov

    the #'s look decent, 5 stars
  • jerrys2jerrys2 Member Posts: 189
    Just returned from 2000 mile trip in 5 pass ltd. thought the seats were wonderful compared to my 2000 Outback and 2002 Forester. Actually better than my 2003 Saab. Saab has now been relagated to around town driving ... Tribeca for highway! :)

    Jerry
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    just got a silver FX35 with the blingy chrome wheel package and rearview assistance thing and dvd. My DW kindly mentioned they should have looked at the B9. The neighbor quickly chimed that they paid $10k more and were proud of that fact. :confuse:

    This also was a purchase to remedy the rising gas prices. They had a GMC Yukon and a Dodge Dakota.

    -Brian
  • jeffmcjeffmc Member Posts: 1,742
    Heh heh. Remedying gas prices by getting an FX35. That's pretty funny. Sure it's better than the Yukon & Dakota, but c'mon. They're spending an awful lot of money up front to save a minimal amount on their fuel bill.
    If they were smart (and still wanted to spend that type of money to save fuel) they should've gone with the Lexus hybrid. Though not as sporting as the FX35, it'd still beat the Yukon & Dakota.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    From the Tokyo auto show:

    2005 Tokyo Motor Show Preview

    Steve, Host
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    No doubt. I still shake my head when I think about the neighbor explaining the purchase.

    Back to the B9, I finally saw a silver one in town, probably a 5 seater (just a guess). Also saw a Lexus hybrid on the highway.

    -Brian
  • x5killerx5killer Member Posts: 368
    what is the website for allsubaru? just add .com? What is the ac/dc converter exactly? The cooler comes with a cord to plug into the 120v in the cargo area right? So i take it the converter is just so you can plug it into a regular outlet when used elsewhere. Would this same ac/dc converter for $33 let you plug other things into it which have a normal plug and then the converter plugs into the 120v outlet in car. Would this be enough for xbox?
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