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Subaru B9 Tribeca (B9X)

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I'm sure Ford has the most repeat buyers, but if you think about it they might also have the highest number of buyers that defect to other brands.

    Seriously, look how many sales they have. It's quite possible.

    I don't think Ford and Subaru are cross-shopped often, so no, neither is worried much about the other.

    Swampy posted the price of the RX400 in another thread: $48,535. That's higher than the $45k estimated earlier, but NAV and HIDs are standard.

    Still, yowsah! Just try finding one on the lot under $50 grand.

    I guess my beef is that the customers that this will appeal to probably have 10,000 square foot homes that require tons of energy to heat and cool (and the emissions that go with it). So it sort of misses the point, don't you think?

    Too bad. Maybe the Highlander Hybrid will make more sense.

    -juice
  • lark6lark6 Posts: 2,565
    Varmint was simply making the point that because Ford sell so many more F-150s—in a more competitive setting—that the F-150s loyalty is more meaningful than that of Subarus. He may have a point.

    Not to try to put a spin on any of this, but isn't it possible that a significant portion of repeat purchases of F-150s come via fleet sales?

    Ed
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Strange segment, full-size pickups, and quite a different one from near-lux SUVs.

    Tribeca will have to win shoppers on its own merits, plain and simple. Buyers in this segment are tough to please.

    I keep saying this, but the driving experience will be essential for the Subie.

    -juice
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Ahh. I have to admit, I was skimming. That said, I agree with Juice- the two segments are very different. The point on the Fleet sales is a great one, but also consider that loyalty is more likely where less choice exists. The contenders for anything greater than moderate duty in that segment are but two- the Ram and Silverado/Sierra. Even adding in the Titan and Tundra, thats still a very small segment compared to those in which Subaru currently competes.

    Joe
  • jeffmcjeffmc Posts: 1,742
    Ford and Subaru may not have been cross-shopped often in the past, but with AWD in the Freestyle and 500, I think it is happening now. Most of us posting here know which AWD system is better, but a lot of people looking for AWD will simply pick Ford because it is easier for them, is American, or is a known quantity. No sense arguing about the systems in this forum, though (preaching to the choir)... or about the "American-ness" of different vehicles.
  • subearusubearu Posts: 3,613
    I had read recently that Ford just realized the Five Hundred has a higher demand for AWD than they planned. I think they planned on something like 20% of 'em being AWD, but it's actually closer to 50%.

    -Brian
  • jay_24jay_24 Posts: 536
    I'd agree with the issue you mentioned on spacing requirements. But it applies to the second row as well as the third. Most child seats seem to be in the 18 to 19 inch wide range. 3 across just doesn't fit in the midsize or compact SUVs.

    I've found booster seats that are 16 inches wide which is a big help at getting three across but you still need room to get your hand bewteen the seats to buckle-up.

    --jay
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,812
    Not to try to put a spin on any of this, but isn't it possible that a significant portion of repeat purchases of F-150s come via fleet sales?

    I'm sure many of the sales of F series trucks are to fleets but those fleet sales are different IMHO as compared to fleet sales to rental companies.

    XYZ Construction wants to buy 100 new trucks this year and they expect them to last so many years as compared to a rental company who wants to get rid of their cars in a year. XYZ is looking for dependability over the long term and I think they would be more loyal and demanding than a rental company.

    Besides, Ford sold over 900K F series trucks last year - they are shooting for 1 million in 2005 per an article in Sunday's Boston Globe.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,876
    Let's focus specifically on the new Subaru, please.

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  • wmquanwmquan Posts: 1,817
    3 across just doesn't fit in the midsize or compact SUVs.

    jay - there's one key reason for a LATCH install in the middle of the second row. It doesn't have anything to do with whether you can fit three seats across the middle of the third row or not.

    A lot of parents have just one child in a car seat, and want to put the child in the middle of the second row, where it is technically the safest (away from side impacts). However, most vehicles don't have a LATCH install there. So they have to resort to either using the vehicle's seat belt, or sometimes they use the two inner LATCH anchors (which not everyone advises).

    Another possibility is if you can fit two seats, one in the middle, one in an outboard position, and still get access to the third row. In that case, it's much more handy to have a LATCH install in the middle.
  • jeffmcjeffmc Posts: 1,742
    Either Edmunds' Inside Line knows many things that we don't, or they've been careless listing the specifications for B9 Tribeca:
    http://www.edmunds.com/future/2006/subaru/b9tribeca/100498459/spe- cs.html?tid=edmunds.f.review.leftsidenav..1.Subaru*
    OnStar?
    Telescoping steering wheel?
    Retained accessory power?
    Manual flip-up liftgate window?
    Inside mounted spare tire?
    On demand 4WD?
    And a few other items seem questionable:
    Regular unleaded fuel? (I thought premium recommended for H6)
    Desk sensing headlamps?
    Auto delay off headlamps? (As opposed to Auto-off on my Outback... no "delay".)
    Exterior automatic dimming electrochromatic mirror, driver only?
    Rear reading lights? (I'd love to see them, though)

    Anyone see anything else that seems wrong?
  • jeffmcjeffmc Posts: 1,742
    Inside Line also says Tribeca's built in Japan.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,663
    obviously that's wrong. :(

    Bob
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Posts: 1,394
    The heading says "Compact Wagon".
    Do you more errors than this ?

    They consider exterior awkward
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Actually, the Volvo-derived Haldex AWD system is not bad. It's still part-time, but it does act quickly.

    I still say Ford is going to get the price shoppers first and foremost.

    Tribeca aims a little higher in terms of design and materials, so it's not nearly as vanilla.

    Honestly, I think the segment will expand as a whole and Subaru can easily squeeze out 40k buyers per year.

    -juice
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Juice mentioned a specific model (Forester). So, I mentioned one for Ford (F-150). But Ford has done more than win just individual categories, they've won the overall division rankings, as well. GM, for that matter, frequently wins the manufacturer's title.

    Polk Awards

    But we are getting way off topic here. All I meant to do add some perspective on a claim by introducing some facts.

    When it comes to the Tribeca as a single model, I think Subaru will have a tougher time with loyalty. Mid-size SUVs is a fully developed market with many competitors. And unlike entry level markets, buyers are likely to come back to the segment (filled with sharks). This is not like a niche market where there are only one two players in the game. So, getting Tribeca owners to come back for another might be difficult.

    OTOH, I expect they will retain customers. As I'm sure Subaru has planned, Forester or Outback owners who need something larger should look to the Tribeca. That will improve Subaru's chances of winning the Division Award.
  • c_hunterc_hunter Posts: 4,487
    They must have mixed up specs with another vehicle -- that is a lot of wrong stuff!

    Craig
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Posts: 1,394
    you are missing the whole point.

    Subaru is only (as always) targeting a small niche customer base.

    1. Already loyal customers that go elsewhere for 7-seaters.
    2. Those who can't afford expensive german brands.

    that's it.

    Comparing with Ford is not logical
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Tell that to the guy who brought it up.
  • subearusubearu Posts: 3,613
    We decided to rename the Mahogany Red Pearl of the Tribeca to Root Bear Pearl:

    From http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=2130361635 (image #158):
    image

    -Brian
  • No matter how many times I've looked at this vehicle, I still think the exterior is a big mistake. Interior's fine, it's a Subaru, so I'm sure it's going to be a great 12-month vehicle that'll be very reliable and useful in any conditions. But that grill and that strange overhang in the back reminds me of an Edsel in front and an old Toyota design in the rear. Anyone??
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Posts: 1,394
    1. did you see it in person ? it looks lot better in person although it sounds a bit weird

    2. The rear does remind me of old Sienna a bit.

    Having said this, tell me which SUV looks you like better ? I consider the rest of SUVs too bland. From that sense, Tribeca looks very trendy.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,663
    The CHAT! I forgot last night was Thursday!

    Bob (geezing again)
  • subearusubearu Posts: 3,613
    (let me know if anyone is having trouble seeing these images)

    yep, the front turnsignals are amber/orange:
    image

    -Brian
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Posts: 1,394
    I was referring to rear turn lights as well. See this pic (#174)

    http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2130361635
  • dcm61dcm61 Posts: 1,459
    This picture is also showing orange but it seems to be a side reflector???

    http://img219.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img219&image=img02770zm.jpg

    DaveM
  • I haven't seen one in person, I hope I can agree with you on that - I like everything else about it and I'm on my 3rd Forester and Subaru's are about all that interest me. I like my '03 BMW M3 and can't stand their new designs, so that's probably my last one.

    I do like the BMW X5 and X3 exteriors, but I've had both for some time as demos in snowy weather and they have some significant design problems, at least to me. I think the Outback is gorgeous, but the interior doesn't offer a few things I'd like. Kia makes an SUV whose exterior I like a lot, but I'd never buy one, for a whole lot of reasons!

    If you can identify with my thoughts, than I hope I'll agree with you that it looks better in person!
  • subearusubearu Posts: 3,613
    I agree with Dave - it appears to be just the reflection of the flash. I don't recall the color being orange on the rear tail, but then again the lighting in the Subaru area was dark, hence my flash going off.

    image

    -Brian
  • dcm61dcm61 Posts: 1,459
    It is also showing orange in the bumper reflector.

    DaveM
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