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Subaru B9 Tribeca (B9X)

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  • jon_in_ctjon_in_ct Posts: 137
    I can't access cars101.com, either.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The 1.8l was a boxer (EJ18 is related to today's 2.5l).

    It was the Justy's tiny engine that was an in-line.

    But the Leone, GL, BRAT, SVX, Loyale, XT, Impreza, Legacy, Forester, and Outback have had boxers.

    jon: if they can get to 3.2l by boring it out like Honda did, they could also stroke the engine to obtain even more displacement, no?

    I just feel like you conclude that certain things are not possible, but they only seem impossible, as Honda's example with clever cylinder liners proves.

    Stroking an engine doesn't change its external dimmensions

    You sure about that? I would expect that the boxer would end up wider.

    -juice
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Thanks Jon. I've learned something new today. Those links are great material. It's not easy to find details like that.

    "...if they can get to 3.2l by boring it out like Honda did, they could also stroke the engine to obtain even more displacement, no?" - Juice

    Not sure, Juice. When modifying an engine by stroking it, the crank offset (not sure of the technical term) must also be enlarged. Otherwise, the piston cannot take advantage of the longer stroke.

    Subaru designed the engine with very tight bore spacing making for a very compact fore/aft design. 9.2mm doesn't leave much room for expansion. But with boxer engines, and the Outback's relatively narrow stance, I would assume width is of equal importance. I'm making a big assumption here, but if Subaru were going to build the engine with such a tight web, I'd expect they didn't leave extra space in the bottom... excuse me.... "middle".

    No, I see two realistic possibilities. The first is that Subaru didn't expect the hp war launched by Nissan. So they built their H6 with the assumption that it was big enough to carry them for quite a long time. The second is that they decided from the start that this engine would get upgraded via forced induction.

    Personally, I think the second is the more likely of the two.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I'd actually prefer to see a light pressure H6 turbo, but some people are very averse to them, perhaps scared from the typical problems encountered with them in the 80s.

    -juice
  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    True, but look at Volvo's XC90. Until the new V8 showed up you had to choose between a 5 or 6 cylinder turbo. I think both have sold fairly well despite having the turbo.

    Ken
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Posts: 1,640
    turbo-diesel. (farmer in me creeping out).

    John
  • sdufordsduford Posts: 577
    Yeah, same here. I would be all over a TDI.

    Judging by the Volvo diesel engine in Europe, it should be possible to generate 250 lbs/ft of torque and 40 MPG.
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Posts: 1,640
    turbo-diesel + CVT = best power and efficiency combined.

    My $0.02.

    John
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I'm afraid any diesel Subaru, in the US at least, would be a niche-within-a-niche.

    What's 1% of 1% of the US market? Nothing, basically.

    I like diesels, but they should build one primarily for Europe. It has to make its business case over there. If so, then we might see it in limited quantities.

    -juice
  • sdufordsduford Posts: 577
    That is in large part because:
    a. the diesel fuel here has been of very poor quality
    b. in the past diesel cars were slow, noisy and smelly.

    Once the fuel has been fixed (2006 in Canada, 2007 in the USA?) and they start bringing in modern turbo-diesels, I think people will be all-over them.

    They provide better performance, fuel economy, practicality, and cost of ownership then most hybrids.

    Sly
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Problem is Subaru can't risk investing a lot to get a small return.

    Spend the money on developing AVCS further and on Direct Injection as well. What needs attention now is their bread-and-butter 2.5l engine IMO.

    -juice
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Check out the new Subaru Of America Homepage- much improved, IMO! Looks great, user friendly.

    http://www.subaru.com

    ~alpha
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Posts: 1,640
    here in California, they couldn't make air quality standards for cars. Still see them in trucks (hey, isn't the Outback a Truck now)?

    Might be on to something here...

    John
  • sdufordsduford Posts: 577
    From what I undersand, the latest diesel technology is very clean...
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Posts: 1,640
    you are right, they have done it with electronic injection and turbochargers. We are now seeing Tier 3 diesel engines coming in. But, even so, they don't rank with the LEV standards of gasoline engines. I think it is the SOx that kills them.

    John
  • bigelmbigelm Posts: 995
    before Diesels become popular in the US. By that time, I'm sure engines have been tweaked, adjusted, etc. This will be the option to the Hybrids, and so the war between diesels and hybrids begins soon.

    If Subaru is smart, they will monitor the marketing movement and potential sales of these engines before deciding what they'll bring. I'm for the diesel engines, as supposed to be a major improvement from the 80's and 90's.

    With Hybrids costing so much (sales wise), it'll be interesting to see the introduction of diesels. Even more interesting to see where our gasoline engine compadres end up.

    I think it'll be the battle of the HP's w/ MPG's as opposed to just the HP's of our current days.
  • sdufordsduford Posts: 577
    Ah, but isn't the cleaner diesel fuel supposed to be much lower in sulphur?
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Posts: 1,640
    they did de-sulphur much of the diesel (in fact the truckers filed lawsuits because the "lubricity" reduction caused injection pump failures) (sidebar# 2 the price of diesel skyrocketed in California) but there is still a certain amount of it. The few remaining cars with turbo-diesels are not even bothering with California, they just pull their products back to states with less stringent requirements.

    John
  • stgreenstgreen Posts: 74
    I love the look and the size and most everything else.

    but no sat radio? they want to take on the big boys and like someone mentioned, that dash makes aftermarket a challenge.

    So I ask again, so xm/sirius FACTORY option?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Don't forget the aux input, so it could be added.

    It would be nice to see a diesel-electric hybrid. Talk about range...

    -juice
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Posts: 1,394
    still showing dumb pictures. Can't they get better pictures ? Shame on them. subdriven.com has best pictures.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Same ones from the press kit I got.

    -juice
  • subearusubearu Posts: 3,613
    Confirmed: No LATCH on the 3rd row
    image

    The 2nd row has rear tether anchors on the backs of the seats:
    image

    The rear tail IS red:
    image

    There are LATCH emblems on the bottoms of the outer seats:
    image

    Hopefully the images appear for everyone. The rest of the album is here: http://www.imagestation.com/album/index.html?id=2129972785

    -Brian
  • subearusubearu Posts: 3,613
    I wasn't allowed to sit or enter the vehicle, but my DW convinced the rep to let her quickly sit in the drivers seat. DW immediately concluded that she was able to see the end of the hood unlike in the MDX & RX.

    Subaru rep commented that visitors weren't allowed in the Tribeca's due to them being "handbuilt" and not up to par on quality. I did notice the powerseat switch paneling on the driver seat was loose, and a small dent in the front fender, nothing other than autoshow wear and tear really.

    -Brian
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Great pics Papa Bear, thanks.

    Question - the LATCH anchors in the 2nd row, do they move fore/aft with the seat?

    If so, that means you don't have to reinstall the child seat every time you slide the seat forward to let someone in the 3rd row.

    It's pre-production, I doubt the hand-built part though.

    -juice
  • subearusubearu Posts: 3,613
    Yes, the LATCH anchors are part of the B9 seat base, just like the ones on our MPV. The MPV 2nd row seats can move (slide-by-side for one of 'em, but both will move fore/aft). So, you can slide-by-side the passenger seat AND move it fore or aft when a child seat is connected using LATCH.

    The hand-built line made me chuckle actually. I refrained from commenting on it to the spokesperson.

    -Brian
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Bingo, that's perfect for my needs!

    Now, I hope they price it at $8,995 so I can afford one. :o)

    -juice
  • jeffmcjeffmc Posts: 1,742
    Question for those who've seen B9 Tribeca in person: where's the auxiliary input for the stereo? (err... I mean "audio system". This is a PREMIUM vehicle, after all.)
    Anyone else still bummed about the loss of Subaru's relationship with McIntosh? Anyone know what happened there? Design differences? Too expensive? No one cared? Now THAT was a premium feature.
    -Jeff
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