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Subaru B9 Tribeca (B9X)

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  • once_for_allonce_for_all Posts: 1,640
    It is no secret that Fuji Heavy Industries – Subaru’s Japanese overlords – is well advanced in the development of a diesel engine, believed to be a turbocharged four-cylinder unit.

    Somehow I can't see the 2.2 liter TDI being adequate for the Tribeca.

    I wonder what else FHI has up its sleeve?

    John
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,679
    I've read somewhere that FHI has two diesels under development, an H-4 and an H-6. I think we will see the H-4 first, in some existing European-spec Subie. I think the H-6 diesel will follow, and will be for larger Subarus, such as the B9. My guess is the H-6 is not much more than the H-4 with two additional cylinders. Most likely these engines are turbos, as with almost all modern diesels.

    Bob
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Posts: 1,640
    then this will be worth waiting for. I had been thinking 2006 Baja (if nothing else comes up) to replace my Forester. But, if the Tribeca gets a 6 cylinder TDI then I will likely look at replacing our '02 Mazda MPV in 3 years with the Tribeca. That leaves me stranded on the pickup end, but there is nothing that is just right for me out there. Maybe the '07 Sportrac with a TDI? or a Ridgeline? Possibly even VW is coming up with a Toureg Pickup (TDI?) about the same time frame.

    Either way, I want to keep a Subaru in the lineup (if for no other reason than the Subaru bucks are building up ;) .

    John
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Get a Tribeca and then get a trailer.

    I just borrow Bob's. :)

    Speaking of which I may do my annual borrow-Bob's-trailer run soon, Bob. I need some mulch and some pea gravel.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,679
    I wouldn't hold my breath for a US-spec B9 diesel. I think you'll see a B9 hybrid here before that.

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,679
    Just let me know juice. I just sent in my registration for that (late), so I think we're good till the end of the month—which reminds me, I will need the trailer around that time as I will be moving my daughter out of her apartment.

    In any event, give me a call, I'm sure we can work something out. :)

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Will do. I have to get a free weekend, we have the circus tomorrow and then a party on Sunday, so not this weekend. I'll give you a heads up.

    To bring this back on topic, I guess we'll need the tow package on our Tribeca when we get that. :)

    -juice
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Posts: 1,640
    would seem much easier to do than a hybrid.

    The only current issue with diesels are emissions, esp. in CA. But, "trucks" are exempt. At least the larger trucks anyway. Not sure what the GVW has to be to qualify.

    If the schnoze is considered too prominent right now, think of what it would take to throw an electric component in to the drivetrain on the H-6 boxer. Maybe an H-4 boxer and a hybrid set-up?

    The other guys have their engines set in sideways and there is more space for a hybrid add-on.

    John
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,679
    The B9SC is a hybrid H-4.

    http://www.machinedesign.com/ASP/strArticleID/56735/strSite/MDSite/viewSelectedArticle.asp-

    Juice and I saw it at the Detroit show last year. They also had a engine/motor/chassis display there. The hybrid part hooks on to the back end of the engine, and is very compact.

    Bob
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Posts: 1,640
    that looks good, but wouldn't the Tribeca need the 2.5 NA? Not sure how the components work together, but I can't imagine the electric portion wants to be turning at 6,000 rpm. So a torquey low rpm unit like the 2.5 seems like it would work better.

    John
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Bob beat me to it, but yeah, the drive system on the B9SC was packaged brilliantly. Might add 3" to the overall length of the powertrain, that's it.

    I suspect they might make it 5-seat only and then use the space where the 3rd row would go for batteries.

    Diesel and hybrid are not mutually exclusive, how 'bout a hybrid diesel-electric? That would be the ticket.

    -juice
  • saustinsaustin Posts: 68
    Hi,
    Am trying to get a group sense of color preference for the B9. Have seen the blue, grey interior combo (Loved it ! )but have been told the gold interior is easier to keep clean if you have kids because it doesn't have the perforations that spills would get into. So that kind of makes us lean towards the Champagne Gold Opal.
    Can we get a poll going ? What are others ordering ?

    Also, why are there no Subaru purchasing (not lease) incentives out ?

    Steve.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    My vote is sort of split. I think the biege interior is absolutely stunning, among the top in the entire industry. The gray is not at warm, but the dark color would be easier to keep clean IMHO.

    So I'd take either one, really.

    Remember, the 5 seat Tribeca Limited will cost $1150 less than the Outback VDC. The incentive is already built-in.

    -juice
  • saustinsaustin Posts: 68
    Juice,
    What exterior color are you ordering ?
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,679
    Subaru has been offering to those who sign up early with some extra goodies free. I believe BigElm took advantage of that.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Oh yeah, forgot about the $500 LL Bean gift card, tow package, or XM stereo for pre-orders. That's for a limited time, though, and before even test driving.

    Color? Not sure. I'm not picky, but for fun let's look at the colors closely, now that I'm officially browsing:

    Atlantic Blue Pearl: fave color, though I'll admit it looks better on the Legacy GT than it does here. I'd still consider it.

    Obsidian Black Pearl: looks nice, but I'm OCD and black is impossible to keep looking clean. Still, hard to resist.

    Champagne Gold Opal: perhaps the most practical color, would look good with beige interior I also like. Maybe.

    Mahogany Red Pearl: looks more bronze in person, sort of in the rust color family. Not a fan.

    Titanium Silver Metallic: looks good and should be low maintenance. But it lacks pizazz.

    Satin White Pearl: on certain cars this color looks extremely rich, I'd have to see it in person.

    Seacrest Green Metallic: not sure why I don't like this color more, on paper I should. I think I like the pearlescent paints better.

    To be honest there isn't one color I'd rule out completely, so I'd be flexible. I want to see the ABP and SWP in person to pick a favorite.

    -juice
  • bigelmbigelm Posts: 995
    Mahogoney Red/Grey Leather (we have beige in the OB and we're tired of it).

    Bob is right, I took advantage of the $500 LL Bean certificate.

    I think the Atlantic Blue looks very nice on the B9 but my wife wasn't crazy about it. For some reason, the Mahogoney just stood out more.

    Believe it or not, when I looked at the Satin White Pearl, it looked classy/luxury... kinda reminded me of the RX330.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    For some reason I prefer darker colors on the Tribeca, but lighter colors on the Leg GT. Maybe that's why the ABP looks better on the Leg to me, it's too light.

    From that standpoint, the only "dark" colors are that Red and Black. While I think the Black looks great, we all know how hard it is to keep that looking clean.

    Put it this way, if I had free car washes I'd pick Black. :)

    -juice
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Posts: 1,640
    I think you are on to something here. Either of the diesels could be effectively perked up by a hybrid electric component enough to make it a more peppy vehicle than the current H-6 gasoline.

    John
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    If you look at the Ford Escape Hybrid and the Highlander/RX400H duo, what's really lacking is the highway mileage. Basically in a brick-shaped vehicle the engine pretty much has to work all the time, so they get little benefit from the electric motor on the highway cycle.

    I believe the HL gets 27mpg, and the RX400H 26mpg, highway. Not bad, but not much better than the gas-only counterparts.

    A diesel, OTOH, could do well in both cycles, amazingly well. The Passat TDI wagon gets 38mpg and I think the Benz E class gets 37mpg, much better numbers than the new hybrids with just a diesel engine.

    SUVs would not do as well, but hybrid SUVs could come close. So we might see a 10mpg jump in highway economy with a diesel+electric hybrid.

    Who's with me? ;)

    -juice
  • bat1161bat1161 Posts: 1,784
    Why is it that Edmunds does not list any options on the Tribeca? They only list the prices for the different trim levels - no detail listing. Am I mistaken in that there are no options for the Tribeca? Other than adding DVD & NAV to any of the models.

    Two of the items they are offering for early signing are the tow package and the satelitte radio. Are these limited time offers, or are they items that will be available for all levels of the Tribeca?

    Just trying to see what is offered with what. BTW, interesting to note that Edmunds TMV for the Tribeca is already below MSRP for a brand new vehicle that technically has not even hit the show room floor yet.

    Mark
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    In terms of sheer MPG, I would agree that diesel offers benefits that hybrids dont (or cant at this time). However, your argument leaves out considerations for the enviornment and the alacrity factor that designs like the HL and RX400H bring to the table. Both run to 60 about 1 second ahead of their gasoline counterparts. Ditto the Honda Accord V6/Hybrid- in Consumer Reports testing loop, its about 2 MPG better than the standard V6, but its 2 MPG better while being faster, and far less polluting.

    Joe
  • bigelmbigelm Posts: 995
    Let me help you out Mark.

    If you want to see options and accessories, the only site that has this info (so far) is www.cars101.com and they've been pretty 'on point' with Subaru's vehicles before they are 'officially' announced.

    Also, the pre-order offers are 3:
    Towing upgrade package
    Portable XM radio
    $500 LL Bean Certificate

    The offer is up to May 19th (I believe).

    You can also go on to www.b9tribeca.com and click on preorder.

    Oh... and I think Edmunds just pulled that number out of their _______ until they get some more info.

    Hope this helps.
  • bat1161bat1161 Posts: 1,784
    Thanks Elm. I figured there had to be something out there, I just could not find it. BTW, the b9tribeca site does not list all the options yet. Oh, and congrats and good luck with the Tribeca and the move!

    Mark
  • bigelmbigelm Posts: 995
    The move will happen soon... my wife is getting a job transfer and I think it's time to move on to better things.

    In the meantime, I'm going to have to come up to get the B9 if it doesn't get here before we move. Now, I'm thinking of getting the Leg sedan for me to play with as a second car but may wait till the '06's ;-)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    We'll probably see a lot of the accessories that are offered on the Legacy GT. They're probably sorting that stuff out now, as we speak.

    TMV sounds accurate in this tough market. Pilot LX runs $24.8k around here, EX for just over $27k. It is a buyer's market, no doubt about that.

    Besides, the Ody is hotter than the Pilot, more in demand at the Honda dealers.

    Joe: true, but hybrids haven't always been so consistent. MT lists a quicker 0-60 time for the Accord V6 than it does for the hybrid model. And real-world MPG doesn't match the optimistic EPA numbers.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm very pro-hybrid, I'm just playing Devil's Advocate.

    Highlander was priced right, IMO, $33k for FWD and $34k and change for AWD. Much better than the $50 grand for the RX400H.

    -juice
  • grdh20grdh20 Posts: 46
    It's a little hard to choose a color without seeing them all in person, so I played it safe and went sil/grey on my preorder. All the dealers are saying now preview car in May and preorders due in June.
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Posts: 1,640
    I am not totally up on the newest generation diesels. But I do know that a great deal of progress has been made on the emissions front, especially with the new fuels that are due out (2007, I believe). Some of the improvements have come from: electronic injection timing; higher pressure independent, multi stream injectors, and off course turbo charging.

    But, shutting off diesels and restarting them is not susposed to be their strong point. These are traditional hybrid car benefits that may not lend themselves readily to diesel engines.

    John
  • cpp788xcpp788x Posts: 47
    Hi,

    For me the Green, Rust , and Blue are too trendy. The silver is too common. The gold is very nice but not with powder coated silver wheels. the wheels should be anodized aluminum or chrome. That leaves the black and white.

    It's simple really - whatever looks better with the grey leather.

    I like the white

    Charlie
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