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Project Cars--You Get to Vote on "Hold 'em or Fold 'em"

Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,416
I'm going to post a link to a "project car" (only those with photos) and YOU get to vote whether or not the car should be saved or scrapped.

Take into account (and make the assumption) that the ASKING price is the price you must pay to get the car.

RULES:

1. Take a look at the ad and photos and VOTE QUICKLY (ads expire!)

2. Vote "SAVE" or "JUNK" and tell us briefly why you'd do this if it were in your power.

3. After SEVEN votes, we switch to another ad.

4. Anyone can post a project car ad, IF it has photos and IF we are done with the 7 votes on the last car. Don't BUNCH UP THE ADS please! Give everyone enough time to vote on each car or this forum won't work.

First car coming up in post #2!

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,416
    Okay, whaddya think about this for $1,000? (I'll vote last--I get to be the tie breaker if necessary)

    http://www.craigslist.org/sby/car/48503724.html

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,509
    SAVE the useful trim pieces and obscure bits

    JUNK the shell/chassis if no rodder etc wants it, it's a sad looking sedan, no upside, nobody will ever want to restore it.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,849
    because I kinda like those things. The body actually doesn't look half bad. Heck, I've seen rustier cars where the seller would try to pass it off as "rust free"! ;-)

    Now I wouldn't put any serious money into it, but I'd say slap a starter on it, and a fresh coat of paint, and have fun with it for awhile, and then move on to something nicer. Of course, I'm also not about to offer up $1000 either, so I'm NOT putting my money where my mouth is!
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,416
    C'mon Andre, you're not following the rules (bad dog!). You HAVE to pay the asking price, so what's your vote if this car costs you $1,000?

    Vote So Far

    JUNK/SCRAP/PART OUT 1
    Undecided 1

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  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,849
    that I think it should be saved, but I'm not gonna be the one to do it! I'm not enough of a '54 Plymouth fan to want it, but I just think it's not that far gone that it can't be salvaged by someone who likes them. If I really had a fetish for the '54 Plymouth, I'd probably go for it, but it just doesn't excite me.

    I guess what I'm getting at is that it's the car more than the condition. If you showed me something that really got me excited, in that condition, at that price, I'd jump on it in a heartbeat.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,416
    Well, that's why you vote. You are voting your preference.

    So I'm going to count you as a JUNK/SCRAP/PART OUT since you won't buy it, okay?

    Soooo, we have

    2 SCRAP/Part Out
    0 Save

    So far...

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  • badtoybadtoy Posts: 368
    That is the same exact year and model my first wife bought for $40 in Ypsilanti, Michigan when we first got married. Needless to say, we were poor as churchmice, but the big green monster started on those bitter cold mornings when brand new, shiny cars wouldn't -- and was sold to one of our friends who relocated with it to Florida, where it is still probably running. Well, maybe not -- that was back in 1968.

    Anyway, for all its basic goodness, it was dowdy, slow, handled like a boat and had almost nothing to recommend it other than the fact that it was cheap and it started like clockwork. I'd pass....

    (By the way, you only buy parts for something you intend to restore, so I see no value whatsoever in this car.)
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,416
    Well maybe there was a convertible version of this car?? That might be worth restoring if it wasn't too far gone.

    Okay, so it's

    Scrap 3 votes
    Save 0 votes

    I'm going to vote SCRAP IT, so that 4-0 and the car loses (4 out of possible 7). Reasons are car is of very little collectible value, not very interesting, and pretty far gone for what it is. Also overpriced IMHO by about $750.

    Okay next car coming up!

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,416
    Well a '55 Chevy might sound like a no-brainer for salvation, but then we have this one.

    http://www.craigslist.org/sby/car/48913766.html

    Remember you gotta pay the price if you vote SAVE.

    Whaddya think?

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  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,849
    we're gonna run into a problem here, because if voting "SAVE" means we're willing to pay the asking price...well who ever pays the asking price?!

    At this rate, I think just about every project posted is going to get the junk vote, so this thing is flawed. Unless you find some little old lady with a Hemi Barracuda in her barn that she wants to ditch because she doesn't like the fuel economy, none of these cars are going to be worth their asking price. For instance, just as that '54 Savoy is worth saving, so is this '55 Chevy. But NOT for $3000! Heck, I'd pay a grand for the Savoy before I'd pay 3 grand for this one!

    So, just going on asking price, junk it. And put the rims back on the IROC that they came off of.
  • ghuletghulet Posts: 2,628
    Let's see, sedan, six, no front bumper, in primer, for three grand. Uh, no. Could be a saver for the right price, but that definitely is not. Dump. And someone tell him (and all the other yahoos) that all Chevy wheels are not interchangable.

    I'm with Andre on the Chevy versus the Plymouth, at least that one's cheap and not been messed with yet, and who else will have one?
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,509
    For 3 grand, SCRAP that Chevy for sure. That's nuts.

    The Plymouth is a bargain in comparison.
  • 1racefan1racefan Posts: 932
    Agreed - Scrap it!!!

    "And someone tell him (and all the other yahoos) that all Chevy wheels are not interchangable."

    I remember back in the early 90's, those yahoos used to put those same wheels on their lowered S-10 pick-ups.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,416
    Well we have to have the rule about paying the asking price because otherwise no one would vote unless they had all kinds of qualifiers on price. We would get bogged down on the car's value, which isn't the question. Just about ANYONE would save ANYTHING if the price is low enough.

    The point is that by voting JUNK at the asking price, you are saying that the car is not worth restoring at that price. You are making a judgment basd on the car itself and its worthiness, not just its value.

    And that's the exercise I'd like to practice here.

    As a compromise, I'll try not (nor should you) to post ads that are ridiculously and obviously overpriced, but rather ads where there is a chance that out of passion or nostalgia or whatever, someone might pay that price.

    Okay, here's another one coming up!

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,416
    This car has a "firm price" on it so no whining Andre.

    http://www.craigslist.org/pen/car/48862341.html

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  • 1racefan1racefan Posts: 932
    In the southeast, I see plenty of these SS's that come WITH a drivetrain and "decent" bodies for the same or less money. From my standpoint (and I hate these cars), when I think of an SS Monte, the coolest looking ones were the black ones. IF I were going to restore one, I would restore one to the color that I think looks best on the car. In this case, the entire interior would have to be gutted as blue/white wouldn't look too good with a black exterior.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,849
    that one looks like it might have potential, provided the body really is all that the guy is saying. I'm a little leery though, when he mentions the tranny that had been in it, the 700R4. I think it's essentially a THM350 with overdrive, but I don't know if it's a physically bigger tranny than the 350, which may have required cutting into the floorpan and modding the frame to take it.

    And it also has junk wheels and tires, so to really get the whole effect, it needs an engine, tranny, and wheels. Plus the paint job.

    I do like the idea though, of having a decent body to start with, where you can decide what engine and tranny you want to put in. The G-body coupe is actually a pretty hot item among the rodders right now. I believe it's the smallest, lightest body-on-frame car GM has built, so that helps alot with performance. And in general, they're still popular cars anyway, as a lot of people still love the style of them.

    So I guess I'd sway towards "Save" on this one. Provided of course, that it's all the seller says it is. And I will admit that I'm a bit biased with these, as I've always loved that platform, and had 3 of them over the years (1980 Malibu coupe, 1982 Cutlass Supreme, 1986 Monte Carlo)
  • 1racefan1racefan Posts: 932
    But notice that the seller says tranny/engine will cost extra. I agree that the body does look pretty good. I would maybe (if I liked these cars) consider $2500 if it came with a drivetrain, and I wasn't that particular about what color it was.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,416
    Okay, we have 1 for 1 against.

    I'm voting NO on this one. He should have thrown in the engine and trans, it's stupid to withold those from the new owner. What I learned from this ad is that you don't "keep" part of the project. It's all or nothing!

    So it's 1 for, 2 against.

    Anyone else care to comment on this "project"?

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  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,849
    is actually somewhat the reverse of a car I looked at a few months ago. That car was a 1980 Chrysler Cordoba LS. It had a drivetrain that had been hopped up pretty nicely...318 out of a '75 Dart, with the lean burn swapped out, a Torqueflite 727, and a rear-end with Suregrip out of a '69 or '70 Charger. This sucker sounded beautiful when you fired it up. Unfortunately, the body was rusting pretty badly, and these things are unitized, which makes it worse. The soft plastic panels that finished off the rear of the car were shot, and the front-end, which was somewhat reminiscent of Edura, was distorted. The interior also needed work. And the brakes were shot. But DAMN that engine sounded nice!

    Still, I think I'd rather have a nice, solid body that I could drop an engine into (and Chevy 350's are a dime a dozen) than a nice drivetrain that's in a body that might be falling apart in a few years.

    I wonder how much he'd sell the whole thing for, with the engine/tranny? Only Monte SS reference point I've had lately was one that's been for sale at a lot up the street from me, for awhile now. Here's a pic of it: http://www.melvinmotors.com/images/vehicles/monte87_burg.JPG
    I forgot what they had been wanting for it (I posted it awhile back) but they're down to $5750 now.
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