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Project Cars--You Get to Vote on "Hold 'em or Fold 'em"

Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,232
I'm going to post a link to a "project car" (only those with photos) and YOU get to vote whether or not the car should be saved or scrapped.

Take into account (and make the assumption) that the ASKING price is the price you must pay to get the car.

RULES:

1. Take a look at the ad and photos and VOTE QUICKLY (ads expire!)

2. Vote "SAVE" or "JUNK" and tell us briefly why you'd do this if it were in your power.

3. After SEVEN votes, we switch to another ad.

4. Anyone can post a project car ad, IF it has photos and IF we are done with the 7 votes on the last car. Don't BUNCH UP THE ADS please! Give everyone enough time to vote on each car or this forum won't work.

First car coming up in post #2!

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,232
    Okay, whaddya think about this for $1,000? (I'll vote last--I get to be the tie breaker if necessary)

    http://www.craigslist.org/sby/car/48503724.html

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,949
    SAVE the useful trim pieces and obscure bits

    JUNK the shell/chassis if no rodder etc wants it, it's a sad looking sedan, no upside, nobody will ever want to restore it.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,050
    because I kinda like those things. The body actually doesn't look half bad. Heck, I've seen rustier cars where the seller would try to pass it off as "rust free"! ;-)

    Now I wouldn't put any serious money into it, but I'd say slap a starter on it, and a fresh coat of paint, and have fun with it for awhile, and then move on to something nicer. Of course, I'm also not about to offer up $1000 either, so I'm NOT putting my money where my mouth is!
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,232
    C'mon Andre, you're not following the rules (bad dog!). You HAVE to pay the asking price, so what's your vote if this car costs you $1,000?

    Vote So Far

    JUNK/SCRAP/PART OUT 1
    Undecided 1

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  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,050
    that I think it should be saved, but I'm not gonna be the one to do it! I'm not enough of a '54 Plymouth fan to want it, but I just think it's not that far gone that it can't be salvaged by someone who likes them. If I really had a fetish for the '54 Plymouth, I'd probably go for it, but it just doesn't excite me.

    I guess what I'm getting at is that it's the car more than the condition. If you showed me something that really got me excited, in that condition, at that price, I'd jump on it in a heartbeat.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,232
    Well, that's why you vote. You are voting your preference.

    So I'm going to count you as a JUNK/SCRAP/PART OUT since you won't buy it, okay?

    Soooo, we have

    2 SCRAP/Part Out
    0 Save

    So far...

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  • badtoybadtoy Posts: 368
    That is the same exact year and model my first wife bought for $40 in Ypsilanti, Michigan when we first got married. Needless to say, we were poor as churchmice, but the big green monster started on those bitter cold mornings when brand new, shiny cars wouldn't -- and was sold to one of our friends who relocated with it to Florida, where it is still probably running. Well, maybe not -- that was back in 1968.

    Anyway, for all its basic goodness, it was dowdy, slow, handled like a boat and had almost nothing to recommend it other than the fact that it was cheap and it started like clockwork. I'd pass....

    (By the way, you only buy parts for something you intend to restore, so I see no value whatsoever in this car.)
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,232
    Well maybe there was a convertible version of this car?? That might be worth restoring if it wasn't too far gone.

    Okay, so it's

    Scrap 3 votes
    Save 0 votes

    I'm going to vote SCRAP IT, so that 4-0 and the car loses (4 out of possible 7). Reasons are car is of very little collectible value, not very interesting, and pretty far gone for what it is. Also overpriced IMHO by about $750.

    Okay next car coming up!

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,232
    Well a '55 Chevy might sound like a no-brainer for salvation, but then we have this one.

    http://www.craigslist.org/sby/car/48913766.html

    Remember you gotta pay the price if you vote SAVE.

    Whaddya think?

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  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,050
    we're gonna run into a problem here, because if voting "SAVE" means we're willing to pay the asking price...well who ever pays the asking price?!

    At this rate, I think just about every project posted is going to get the junk vote, so this thing is flawed. Unless you find some little old lady with a Hemi Barracuda in her barn that she wants to ditch because she doesn't like the fuel economy, none of these cars are going to be worth their asking price. For instance, just as that '54 Savoy is worth saving, so is this '55 Chevy. But NOT for $3000! Heck, I'd pay a grand for the Savoy before I'd pay 3 grand for this one!

    So, just going on asking price, junk it. And put the rims back on the IROC that they came off of.
  • ghuletghulet Posts: 2,628
    Let's see, sedan, six, no front bumper, in primer, for three grand. Uh, no. Could be a saver for the right price, but that definitely is not. Dump. And someone tell him (and all the other yahoos) that all Chevy wheels are not interchangable.

    I'm with Andre on the Chevy versus the Plymouth, at least that one's cheap and not been messed with yet, and who else will have one?
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,949
    For 3 grand, SCRAP that Chevy for sure. That's nuts.

    The Plymouth is a bargain in comparison.
  • 1racefan1racefan Posts: 932
    Agreed - Scrap it!!!

    "And someone tell him (and all the other yahoos) that all Chevy wheels are not interchangable."

    I remember back in the early 90's, those yahoos used to put those same wheels on their lowered S-10 pick-ups.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,232
    Well we have to have the rule about paying the asking price because otherwise no one would vote unless they had all kinds of qualifiers on price. We would get bogged down on the car's value, which isn't the question. Just about ANYONE would save ANYTHING if the price is low enough.

    The point is that by voting JUNK at the asking price, you are saying that the car is not worth restoring at that price. You are making a judgment basd on the car itself and its worthiness, not just its value.

    And that's the exercise I'd like to practice here.

    As a compromise, I'll try not (nor should you) to post ads that are ridiculously and obviously overpriced, but rather ads where there is a chance that out of passion or nostalgia or whatever, someone might pay that price.

    Okay, here's another one coming up!

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,232
    This car has a "firm price" on it so no whining Andre.

    http://www.craigslist.org/pen/car/48862341.html

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  • 1racefan1racefan Posts: 932
    In the southeast, I see plenty of these SS's that come WITH a drivetrain and "decent" bodies for the same or less money. From my standpoint (and I hate these cars), when I think of an SS Monte, the coolest looking ones were the black ones. IF I were going to restore one, I would restore one to the color that I think looks best on the car. In this case, the entire interior would have to be gutted as blue/white wouldn't look too good with a black exterior.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,050
    that one looks like it might have potential, provided the body really is all that the guy is saying. I'm a little leery though, when he mentions the tranny that had been in it, the 700R4. I think it's essentially a THM350 with overdrive, but I don't know if it's a physically bigger tranny than the 350, which may have required cutting into the floorpan and modding the frame to take it.

    And it also has junk wheels and tires, so to really get the whole effect, it needs an engine, tranny, and wheels. Plus the paint job.

    I do like the idea though, of having a decent body to start with, where you can decide what engine and tranny you want to put in. The G-body coupe is actually a pretty hot item among the rodders right now. I believe it's the smallest, lightest body-on-frame car GM has built, so that helps alot with performance. And in general, they're still popular cars anyway, as a lot of people still love the style of them.

    So I guess I'd sway towards "Save" on this one. Provided of course, that it's all the seller says it is. And I will admit that I'm a bit biased with these, as I've always loved that platform, and had 3 of them over the years (1980 Malibu coupe, 1982 Cutlass Supreme, 1986 Monte Carlo)
  • 1racefan1racefan Posts: 932
    But notice that the seller says tranny/engine will cost extra. I agree that the body does look pretty good. I would maybe (if I liked these cars) consider $2500 if it came with a drivetrain, and I wasn't that particular about what color it was.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,232
    Okay, we have 1 for 1 against.

    I'm voting NO on this one. He should have thrown in the engine and trans, it's stupid to withold those from the new owner. What I learned from this ad is that you don't "keep" part of the project. It's all or nothing!

    So it's 1 for, 2 against.

    Anyone else care to comment on this "project"?

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  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,050
    is actually somewhat the reverse of a car I looked at a few months ago. That car was a 1980 Chrysler Cordoba LS. It had a drivetrain that had been hopped up pretty nicely...318 out of a '75 Dart, with the lean burn swapped out, a Torqueflite 727, and a rear-end with Suregrip out of a '69 or '70 Charger. This sucker sounded beautiful when you fired it up. Unfortunately, the body was rusting pretty badly, and these things are unitized, which makes it worse. The soft plastic panels that finished off the rear of the car were shot, and the front-end, which was somewhat reminiscent of Edura, was distorted. The interior also needed work. And the brakes were shot. But DAMN that engine sounded nice!

    Still, I think I'd rather have a nice, solid body that I could drop an engine into (and Chevy 350's are a dime a dozen) than a nice drivetrain that's in a body that might be falling apart in a few years.

    I wonder how much he'd sell the whole thing for, with the engine/tranny? Only Monte SS reference point I've had lately was one that's been for sale at a lot up the street from me, for awhile now. Here's a pic of it: http://www.melvinmotors.com/images/vehicles/monte87_burg.JPG
    I forgot what they had been wanting for it (I posted it awhile back) but they're down to $5750 now.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,915
    I vote yes on the SS, although I agree that the price is a bit high, assuming that the body and interior is as nice as presented.

    For a project, I would be dropping in a fresh/better/different motor anyway, and body work can get expensive. Why pay for a drivetrain you don't want, if it is getting yanked anyway (assuming it would be crap to start with).

    I'm not ready yet for a resto project 9and it wouldn't be one of these), but I when I am, I will definitely start with the soundest platform I can, not a cheesey rust bucket.

    Actually, I want Overhaulin to come get my car, although the fact that I am in NJ and don't have a bomber to take works against me.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (mine)

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,232
    Okay so it's 2 to 2, Andre apparently abstaining.

    Let's get ONE MORE vote and then go on to another perhaps from someone else.

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  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,050
    ...abstinence! ;-) I thought you already had me down as a SAVE, Shifty?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,232
    Oh, sorreeeeeee...you just aren't assertive enough in these votes, Andre. I need you to slam your fist on the table here like you "mean it":)

    Okay, so Andre votes SAVE and we'll call it like that.

    Anyone have an interesting ad, with photos and a price, or if not, I'll post another.

    PS: I think that Monte is a loser at that price, but oh, well.

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  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,050
    for car ads? I mainly look at eBay, but how would you determine an asking price for an auction item?
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,684
    Junk it! They were mediocre cars with mediocre powertrains and blah styling.

    2000 BMW 528i, 2001 BMW 330CiC

  • 1racefan1racefan Posts: 932
    One neat site is carsinbarns.com, but I haven't figured out how to just post a link for an individual car. Most links bring up a whole page of cars.
  • ghuletghulet Posts: 2,628
    ...on Craigslist.com, which I just discovered, thanks to someone here (perhaps Nippononly?). In any case, lots of fun, another e-timewaster for me. Oh, and it has real estate, job listings, and some fairly explicit personal ads, some with photos even. 'Nuff said.

    I've found that craigslist is an especially good clearing house (in Chicago, anyway) for 'distress sale'-type cars. Y'know, broke kids with cars they've had since college, now sitting on the streets of Chicago, in danger of being towed away because they blew a head gasket or dropped a tranny and the owners can't afford to get them fixed. Lots of potentially decent $250 fixer-uppers. Of course, with these types of cars and owners, you often don't know what is REALLY wrong with the cars, or what's been neglected, or what's wrong in addition to what the owner discloses, so it's not unlikely you may be stuck with a $200 car that needs $2500 in repairs, only to be worth $1500 in the end.

    Back on topic. At $2500, it's very hard for me to get excited about a 20 year-old Monte clad in primer with no drivetrain. I love the endless 'all it needs is a coat of paint' refrains from those trying to sell what are basically rolling scrapheaps. The interior is not perfect, it's got a trunk full of parts, no factory wheels, no decals and no right side mirror, from what I can tell from four photos. Even if restored properly (at which point the new owner would be hopelessly buried), it would never be anything more than a Frankenstein. Scuh-RAP it.
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,196
    ...on the Monte Carlo. This was the last generation of the Monte Carlo I really liked. I would be putting in my own upgraded powertrain as well.

    Though the vote was JUNK for the 1954 Plymouth, I'd have voted SAVE even at $1,000. The bodies were built by Briggs back then and last forever. I've seen these period Mopars sit in junkyards for 40 years and the bodies are still intact. Though they were dull cars then, they are uncommon enough to be interesting today. My grandfather had the more ungainly 1953 Plymouth.

    For the 1955 Chevrolet, I'd vote JUNK at that price. First of all, the car is a four-door sedan which isn't the most desirable body style. Second, I'd have to undo all the crap he did to the car. Third, the old Camaro wheels are a clear sign that this vehicle belongs to some mulleted yahoo.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,050
    to do something similar to that Monte with my '82 Cutlass Supreme. It had a good, sturdy body, but the 231 died around the 73K mark. Well, I also had a '69 Bonneville, that had a great-running 400 (although it had a voracious appetite for starters) but the body was pretty banged up, and it was just a 4-door hardtop.

    I had fantasized about trying to put that 400 in the engine bay of the Supreme, but in the end common sense got the better of me, and I got rid of them both. Sometimes though, I wish I'd tried it!
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