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Project Cars--You Get to Vote on "Hold 'em or Fold 'em"

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  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 1,540
    In 1997 I bought a 1978 Olds Delta 88 as a beater and then ended up semi-restoring it. Nothing too crazy, but I replaced the rear bumper, some interior pieces, a few emblems, etc. After 6 years of faithful service I sold it. I saw it around time a few times in the first couple of years and then never again. I have no doubt the rusties got to it as it was starting to go in a few spots. But I wonder where it went, if for no other reason than a lot of the bits I replaced on it would be worth something to those in the Olds community.

    2011 Buick Regal Turbo, 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Holiday Coupe

  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 16,886
    my 540 lives close by, but I have yet to see it. :(

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '08 Town&Country

  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,577
    The abandoned car thing might be an omen to anyone who wants to buy a used car from that guy.

    The last two cars he got rid of, a 1995 Grand Marquis and a 2004 Crown Vic, I sometimes thought I should have bought, just to have a beater. In 2004, the Grand Marquis had about 175,000 miles on it, but was getting a bit tired. The check engine light was on, one of the headlights was deteriorating (he had to replace one, because the plastic actually cracked through), paint was getting thin and it was starting to rust in that unfinished area where the top of the C-pillar joins the roof, a little smoke and clatter on hard acceleration, etc.

    He got $600 in trade for it. When I found out how little they were going to give him (I was with him when he bought it) I seriously considered offering to buy it off him for that! But, decided not to.

    Well, the 2004 made it to about 230,000 miles, when he traded just a few months ago, on a used 2009 Grand Marquis LS Ultimate. The '04 aged much better for the most part, although both the front and rear bumpers were peeling. However, mechanically it seemed more solid. One issue it had though, was that the a/c would cut in and out at random, and I think the dealer wanted well over $1,000 to fix it.

    That one, he only got like $300 or $400 in trade, but this time I wasn't there when he did the deal. I did tell him though, to check Central Avenue, down past the community college, to see if it shows up abandoned one of these days! :P

    He said he wouldn't have sold me the car, even for $300-400, because he'd feel guilty if something broke on it. But I told him that at that price, even if it lasted a few months it would be fine. And as for the a/c, hell my attitude is that as long as the windows still roll down, it's no big deal!
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,067
    My Grand Marquis just turned 105,000 miles today.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,023
    It's still a baby.

    My 04 GM is sitting at 78k.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,577
    I think the '09 LS Ultimate that my friend bought had mileage in the low-mid 50K range when he bought it. But I'm sure it's in the 60K range by now.

    Every once in awhile, I'll see a low-mileage, recent CV, GM, or Town Car pop up locally and get tempted. But, my 2000 Park Ave only has about 88,500 miles on it, so I guess it's a relative baby, as well.

    I've gotten pretty spoiled by the sunroof in my Park Ave, so I guess if I wanted a Panther with a sunroof, I'd have to limit it to Town Cars? Guess I can always have an aftermarket one put in a CV or GM
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,023
    Finding a factory moonroof in a CV or GM is practically impossible. I think the only years were 03 to maybe 05 or so. I've seen exactly one and that was a car on a Panther forum.

    I would take a LTC over a Park Ave, but I love Panthers. In all reality the Park Ave in supercharged trim has more power, better FE and rides just as nice. It's FWD, though and a little smaller.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,067
    Just saw a black 2007 Lincoln Town Car at the local Ford dealer on Saturday. Two minuses were it had 77K miles and was black. I already have one black car and it is a royal PITA to keep clean. I don't need another one.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,023
    Unless the wife wants a black car, I'm done with black. The LaCrosse is Carbon black and while I don't believe it's as bad as jet black it is bad enough. We took a trip to the Poconos last weekend and the car looks like heck.

    If I went with a late model Townie I wouldn't want black because it looks too much like a livery car. They look great in white and the burgundy color IMO. Beige interior, please.

    I've got my Panther fix at the moment. The 04 that was my Grandfather's runs and rides like a dream. The cloth top wouldn't be my choice, but it could be worse.

    My car is currently "Panther of the Month" on a Panther website.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • berriberri Posts: 3,996
    Funny, I saw a pix of a black TC around that vintage in the Chicago Tribune today where it had driven into the Apple store in Lincoln Park.
  • Well the car is a mess, so it'll have to be restored. I can only hope it is not over-restored like so many of them are. They end up looking like old people with plastic surgery. Restoring the fenders is a good idea but date-coded mufflers? That's getting a bit much in my book. I hope they drive the thing and enjoy it and not make it a trailer queen with Armstrong photos stuck all over it.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 32,887
    Had my project car out on another cold day - started right up and ran sweetly, it likes cooler weather. Probably a sign the FI cold start system is worn, as they run better in cold with age. It did crank a little slow on the first time, which means the 6 year old battery might be wearing out. That's a good lifespan for a generator car, I guess.

    Something I wonder about - could an automatic fintail be push started? I wonder this, as the car can be started in gear.

    Bad news - my indy mechanic closed his shop, at least temporarily. He ran the place almost singlehandedly, only employing like 2 other guys - and got overwhelmed. I think he needed a break, and kind of collapsed. I know sometimes he was having to book work weeks out. Luckily, I do know another shop who isn't afraid of either of my cars. The new place is ran by a middle aged guy who employs some old timers, so it might actually be fine.
  • only if your automatic has a rear pump. e.g., GM's old 2-speed Powerglide.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 32,887
    It is the old 4-speed fluid coupling-based (no torque converter) system you probably remember from back in the day. I was thinking, if it starts in gear (2nd gear start), maybe other things are possible.
  • well roll it down a hill and try it! :P
  • fintailfintail Posts: 32,887
    I might do that. I wonder how it would work, with no clutch to pop. Put in second and see what happens, I guess.

    I am happy, might have finally found storage for the car, as it now looks like I will need to be out of the current garage by the end of the month. It will be a bit more expensive, which irks me. Sometimes I wonder why I keep that car - but I forget that when I drive it.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,267
    This one has 139,000 miles, 4.9L V8 (front-wheel drive... it's the first V8 I've ever seen that is transversely mounted), Brougham package, which is leather, some other stuff, perhaps the faux convertible top? The body is silver. Paint is good, tires are good, no leaks, starts and runs well, is very clean. Sounds like it has a loose heat shield on the exhaust. The only issues it has is the leather seats in the front show some wear. Not torn, but worn on the door sides of the front seats due to accessing.

    realistically, what's it worth? I'm thinking maybe $3K?
  • That would be somewhat generous for a base 1992 Seville, but if the car checks out with a mechanical inspection, and is really clean top to bottom, that'd be an okay price. Fair retail. I'd prefer you paid about $1800.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,023
    IDK if that is a car you want to touch. It's certainly a nice machine, but it is a first year model. They are known to pop head gaskets, and you have to remove the intake manifold to R&R the starter. They also have funky liquid cooled alternators. In other words, potential money pit.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

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