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  • sidgriggssidgriggs Posts: 122
    On an LS460 using a Motorola Razr thru AT&T -- How do you set up the phone book so that the incoming caller's name and phone number appear on the nav screen when they call you. I have downloaded all my names and numbers from my phone, set up my speed dial etc. If I make the call, the name & number apppear--but if that same person calls me from that same phone, His name and number do not appear on my screen. I have had an 04 LS 430 with Nav and an 06LX 470, set them up the same way and could see the name and number on the screen when one of my contacts called me. I also remember reading something about a "1+" set up, but can't find it. Help, Please!
  • mannaciomannacio Posts: 1
    From the messages I've seen on this site, and other forums, it's as though people have forgotten or didn't know Bluetooth is a trademark for intellectual property licensed to the auto industry, phone manufacturers and others with the explicit understanding that Bluetooth devices be interoperable. When auto manufacturers post "supported phones" on their website they are, in my opinion, in violation of their agreement with the Bluetooth Organization. I have become something of an activist on this issue after an unbelievable experience with my 2007 Infiniti M35. After 4 months of ownership, with no problems, my entire console froze up on a trip back from Ashland OR to the SF Bay Area. This meant I had no radio, no CD player, no navigation system, no ability to change the temperature or the fan speed. I immediately went to my dealer when I got back and they had to consult with their engineers who said it was my AT&T 8525 that caused the problem. This phone was not on their list of supported phones. They did offer to buy me a new phone but there are no phones I could have gotten with Bluetooth, MS Office Mobile, a full slide out keyboard, Wi-Fi and a camera. So I adamantly refused and escalated the problem to senior management at Nissan. Suddenly, when faced with the potential for bad press, they agreed to fix the freeze up. An engineer had a CD on his desk which would change the programming of my console and avoid another freeze up. BUT they still wouldn't guarantee the continued operation of the phone. I since learned that many carmakers have websites which tell you what phones they "support". Some, such as Toyota even have legal disclaimers that imply that, should you use any other phones, they will bear no responsibility for whether the phone works or not. You'll have to call your phone maker. This is not only hostile to the users of Bluetooth phones it puts many of us in the position of having to choose between a car and a phone. And it is all being done despite the agreements these companies have signed with the Bluetooth Organization. My view is encapsulated in a movie quote: "We're mad as hell and we're not going to take it any more". I would ask anyone who has had compatibility issues between a Bluetooth Certified Hands Free phone and their car, especially those the carmaker refused to resolve, to contact the Bluetooth Organization. There is a complaint form that can be found at: https://programs.bluetooth.org/apps/contactus/default.aspx

    Your topic should be Brand and Trademark violations, because that is what this is all about: No interoperability or support for it and you should not get the trademark. Please feel free to pass this along to others who may have complaints too as well as any media that have an interest in the story.
  • sidgriggssidgriggs Posts: 122
    Can you answer the question I posed in my posting #346?
  • mdchachimdchachi Posts: 275
    Does it matter if you're moving or not? I notice some Toyota vehicles restrict the display when you're moving.
  • sidgriggssidgriggs Posts: 122
    Moving or not--still no display of both name & number. I have had 2 prior Lexus with Nav & Bluetooth--they would/did display name & number on anyone who was in my phonebook (both my car and my cell have the same phonebook).
  • mdchachimdchachi Posts: 275
    > When auto manufacturers post "supported phones" on their website they are, in my opinion, in violation of their agreement with the Bluetooth Organization.

    What is your reasoning here? Many phones are not properly compliant with Bluetooth standards or have bugs in their software. If they don't work, they don't work. Also, there are different versions of Bluetooth and even the standard itself has various gray areas that leads to implementation differences.

    It's not "hostile" to users of Bluetooth phones. It's trying to deal with the real world. Some phones work and some phones don't.

    Now, your particular problem of the whole system freezing up is not a Bluetooth issue. A non-supported phone no matter what it does should not cause your entire system to freeze up. That's a software quality issue.
  • kpanekkpanek Posts: 2
    Hello Mannacio. I'd like to ask you for help.
    Have the same experience with Mercedes-Benz. We bought 3 luxury SUVs from them. They list "recommended phones" for their "Mercedes-Benz Bluetooth(R) (SAP) Telephone Module, Version 2" in official materials for the Czech Republic: 13 of 20 are NOKIAs, remaining 7 models just to cover-up Mercedes' NOKIA preference as those are out of reality: "VERTU" not sold at all in CZE afaik and, "SIEMENS" which is terminated brand as everybody in the biz knows.
    Mercedes representatives end up with indistinct statements or irrelevant excuses and I suspect them that they've explicitly (per-customer) blocked SONY ERICSSONs specificaly (car I've tested doesn't operate with any high-end SE model, including Z610i, P990i, etc.)
    It is likely that Mercedes is manipulating its customers and limits their "Bluetooth(R)" support artificially.
    I've found the form before your article and sent complaint there. But I wonder if you have identified particular article in Bluetooth member agreements / materials ? Do you have some further tips or experience?
    I'm attaching corresponding Mercedes-Benz material in English: http://resource.empyreum.net/temporary/Cradles_1207_en.pdf
    I'm about to become an activist in this as well :-) Any message from you to my e-mail karel.panek vortex empyreum.com will be appreciated!
    Thanks,
    Karel
  • kpanekkpanek Posts: 2
    mdchachi, your opinion is incorrect. The problem stands in the fact, that vehicle manufacturer artificially limits its "Bluetooth(R)" support not due to technology (e. g. bluetooth device type or version), but based on its specific mobile phone brand preference. This could imply great harm to Bluetooth(R) brand itself according to my opinion. In my way of thinking such behavior of car manufacturer is manipulative, inadequate, unacceptable and perhaps illegal.
  • mdchachimdchachi Posts: 275
    You are stating conjecture, not fact. Do you have any evidence to support your conjectures?
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  • Anyone know a lot about Bluetooth Car kits. I am looking to compare between BlueConnect and Parrot. Are these any good ? Is there anything better ?

    Thanks.
  • nortsr1nortsr1 Posts: 1,060
    I just read that the dealership must drain the oil of the CFC and pour some type of silicone type fluid into same into the engine and RUN same for at least xxx minutes to fully disable the engine (which the article states will cost the dealership approx. $30.00).
  • ClairesClaires Chicago areaPosts: 974
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