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Any downside to buying a hybrid?

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,900
    Why on earth would you even waste a saleman's time if you have no intention of buying?

    You have never test driven a car just for the fun of it? In Hawaii I was checking to see if they would rent one while I was there. I wanted to see for myself if they are a nice car. I would never buy a vehicle I had not test driven.
  • katzjamrkatzjamr Posts: 146
    That navigator tax credit is only if the truck is used 100% for business use.
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    I've never test driven a car without the express interest in buying it. Maybe you should go into the Ferarri showroom and ask them if you can take a test drive. A little more exciting than a Prius.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,900
    go into the Ferarri showroom and ask them if you can take a test drive

    As a matter of fact I test drove both a 911S and a Carrera several years ago. At the time I could not afford either one. Just wanted one. Now when it would be nothing to buy one I am not interested. So what is your point? If I test drive a car and someone asks my opinion, I have a basis for that opinion. If you remember earlier posts I test drove the Prius Classic twice and would have bought it for my now ex-wife if she had liked it. She liked her 10 year old Camry better. You should go test drive a few more cars, maybe the HAH or HCH. You may like them better than the Prius. There is no obligation to take a test drive. Both GM & Mercedes have meets for people to test drive all their vehicles. I have gone to a couple. Lines were long on the high powered stuff.
  • heyjewelheyjewel Posts: 1,046
    Saw a Prius rear ended last night. Well, I mean I saw the result still there on roadside. A** end was accordioned up pretty good, front end undamaged. Obviously was hit in the rear pretty hard. Happened on hwy 17 in Los Gatos, Ca. Twisty, turny, hilly road. 2 lanes of fast moving traffic with no or almost no breakdown lane. Looked like it happened on a blind curve.

    Now, I wonder why? Could this Prius have stalled and the driver was unable to keep going fast enuf to get out of the way? Or perhaps has the bad brakelight switch?

    I know, I'm a troll here, but these are serious questions. I can tell you, if your engine dies on this road, you could be in deep doodoo.
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    I just happened to be driving home last week and I saw a navigator turned over. No one even bothered to stop.
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    No interest in those cars. You must have a lot of spare time on your hands. If I want to drive a Porsche, I'll just ask my cousin for his keys. Everyone one of my friends have expensive cars except me. Not my thing.
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  • Jewel:

    First you said SAW A PRIUS REAR ENDED....Then it was you saw the result...The car has plenty of pop so it wasn't that it couldn't go fast enough...

    Perhaps a German car had another mechanical failure and it's breaks didn't work...Based on all the Reliability evidence that would be the MOST LIKELY way the accident happened.
  • I know what you mean Falcone ...I see them all the time...laying on the side of road like a big fat turtle on it's back....

    SAD...and they cost so much money...
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Hmmm, I think I'll take that as my queue to jump in here and maybe even help get this discussion back on topic. ;-)

    My current situation finds me with a new contract that requires me to average well over 100 miles per day (99% of which is with the Cruise Control set north of 75 mph). I recently turned in my beloved 530i at lease end, and I've since been driving our spare car (a 1998 Dodge Grand Caravan 3.8). That means that I'm faced with something of a dilemma, 1) do I buy a new car to replace the 530i and pile on an easy 100,000 miles in less than four years, or 2) do I just keep the GC and milk it for as long as it will run.

    In favor of the new car, are several points:
    1) I'd get one that gets significantly better fuel economy than the 3.8 liter GC, so there could be some significant fuel cost savings
    2) Theoretical better reliability on a new car versus a car with 100K on the clock (I say theoretical because this thing has only cost me $83 in unscheduled maintenance since new)
    3) I want one
    4) There is nothing so decidedly uncool as commuting in a GC (maybe that's the same as #3)

    In favor of just driving the GC into the dirt:
    1) I can buy LOTS of gas for the price difference between selling the GC and any decent new car
    2) Would a new car really be as reliable as my current ride? Statistically, probably yes. So far at least, not a chance.

    So, with that said, assuming I ultimately decide to trade the old girl in on a newer model, what should I get? I know that posting that rhetorical question around here will yield one primary response: Prius.

    That brings me to the point of this post. It is my understanding that the Prius is not what one would consider a sporting car (neither is a GC for that matter), and only offers mediocre acceleration, braking and handling capabilities at best. So, the next question that I must grapple with is, "Would I be willing to sacrifice performance to save $1,000 per year in fuel related expenses (over something like an Audi A3)?" To me at least, performance issue is enough of a "downside" to make me think long and hard before I opt for a Prius.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Good post and good questions. I sell Prius' and I still drive my 2000 Camry for the same reason you do the GC. However I will likely step up and get one this year coming ( or a Hybrid Camry ) for a lot of reasons:
    A) Threat of $3/gal X 45000 m/yr ( even with my Camry at 31 mpg every day )
    B) The Prius' ARE cool and you will be noticed.
    C) There is no cleaner vehicle for the environment on the road at the moment
    D) Prius toys ;)
    E) It has better accleration than my 2000 Camry
    F) I choose to use as little fuel as possible and send as little money to the MidEast as I possibly can.
    G) Tax credit :D
    H) VSC/TRAC, ABS w/BA, S+C A/B

    To answer your concerns: It's quick but no rocket by any means; it's a midsized family sedan meant for a normal amount of comfort ( like your GC ) not especially for high performance handling; I've never noticed the braking to be questionable it's just different ( existing owners can reply better on this over a longer time frame ).
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    No one buys a Prius for its "sporting characteristics". The A3 is an interesting comparison as I really like that car. A decked out A3 with similar equipment as in the Prius will cost a nice penny. One other thing, the Prius did BETTER than the A3 in crash tests conducted in Europe. That's important to me. Lastly, reliability. I've owned a couple of Audis and one VW. Fun to drive/NOT reliable.
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    Nice post but (B) is not a good selling point (at least for me).
  • aaron_taaron_t Posts: 301
    How much is your GC worth to sell/trade? It may be worth keeping for insurance discounts, backup vehicle, or to take some of the miles for bad weather (2 day/wk?). I'd look into a Miata, or other pure fun car that gets good fuel mileage, a joy to drive (not sure about highway manors especially compared to a minivan) and keep the GC. Less depreciation on the new car if you keep the mileage closer to 15k/yr. Dunno your budget, but maybe a used C5 6-speed that gets 28mpg @ 80mph.

    My wife had our first child and I get to commute in the minivan 70-85miles a day depending on school. I've had sporty cars in the past (SVT Contour, IS300), but love the smooth ride on Detroit's crappy roads of the minivan, and the seats rock! My wife said "never' to a minivan before this kid, but now she realizes its conveniences and purpose. My goal is to have a minivan for family/3rd vehicle an fun car for daily nice weather driving.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,707
    The technology is threatening to some

    While some may be threaten by the technology I think that the technology has its downsides that turn many people off of hybrids. First off the technology is relatively new and is very much unproven in long term real world experience (how many hybrids are out there with 100k+ miles?). Secondly the technology makes things more complicated and as you do that it makes things more susceptible to breakdowns and higher repair bills. Those are real world concerns that many have.

    The sign said "No shoes, no shirt, no service", it didn't say anything about no pants.

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,707
    Actually the most likely way the accident happened was that the one that hit the Prius was tailgating and didn't have time to stop when the Prius hit the breaks. No mechanical failures just lousy driving.

    The sign said "No shoes, no shirt, no service", it didn't say anything about no pants.

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,707
    I will presume that the GC is paid off, if so you are driving the best kind of car to drive - one that runs and is paid for. If thats the case my advice would be to continue to drive the CG and take at least a portion of what you would be making in car payments into some type of safe investment (presuming you finance the car), or put the cash into a CD (if you would pay cash). Then drive the GC until it starts giving you trouble.

    The sign said "No shoes, no shirt, no service", it didn't say anything about no pants.

  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    The technology has been proven in testing, otherwise the product would not be brought to market. Every car today is road tested to simulate over 100,000 miles of driving. With a Toyota product and a 94% satisfaction rating, along with a generous warranty, I am not the least bit concerned. Apparently many people aren't as there is a 3 month backlog WITH gas prices going down. Gotta love it!!

    9 weeks to go!!!
  • pjyoungpjyoung Posts: 885
    Now, I wonder why? Could this Prius have stalled and the driver was unable to keep going fast enuf to get out of the way? Or perhaps has the bad brakelight switch? On the other hand, he might have had to slow down for a normally aspirated vehicle that had stalled. Or perhaps the driver could have been a bonehead and slowed down to show somebody a sight. Or maybe there was an SUV on two wheels getting ready to roll over on the curve and he had to slow down for it. Grand assumptions, but what happens if your Lincoln burps and stalls on the road...you're in as much doo doo it would seem.
  • pjyoungpjyoung Posts: 885
    Actually the most likely way the accident happened was that the one that hit the Prius was tailgating and didn't have time to stop when the Prius hit the breaks. No mechanical failures just lousy driving.

    Good point. The brakes in the Prius are way better than the other cars I've driven. I have to be careful driving different cars because the brakes don't seem to grab near as well as they do in my Prius. Side note though...it accordianed up pretty good, according to our navigator pilot...that's pretty much what it was designed to to. Also..passenger compartment wasn't compromised....again, just as it was supposed to do. Shoot....those sound like selling points.
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    I've actually seen pictures of Prius crash tests conducted by NON US agencies. The car does incredibly well. I would venture to say the Navigator pilot would hope he had a Prius if he encountered a situation like that. Tailgating causes most accidents I see on my way to work everyday.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    Actually, I'm more curious about the battery integrity in the rear-end collision witnessed than any grand theorizing about the cause of the accident. Any indication of battery leakage and/or response crews having to take any additional precautions?
  • pjyoungpjyoung Posts: 885
    Actually, I'm more curious about the battery integrity in the rear-end collision witnessed than any grand theorizing about the cause of the accident. Any indication of battery leakage and/or response crews having to take any additional precautions?

    Considering the batteries are under the rear seat in the passenger compartment, I would imagine that there was no leakage. Had it done that, given the propensity in most anti-hybrid articles these days, I am sure it would have been a front page story.
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    The battery is almost placed in the center of the car. I'd be more concerned with a gasoline explosion than battery issues.
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Bladder-type gas tanks like the Prius has are FAR less susceptible to puncture explosions like a metal tank. So it would be highly unlikely a Prius would have a gas tank explosion in a rear impact crash.
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    Actually, it's very rear that you hear of gas tanks exploding these days. Last I heard were the Corwn Vics, but there is a retro fit for them.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    Thanks. I don't know why I thought the batteries where under the floor in the cargo area; apparently that's where the fuel tank resides instead. Actually, it makes sense to locate the batteries under the rear-seat; helps to keep the CG low and a bit further forward. Better handling that way.....:P
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    Yup...that's where they are. It weighs about 100 lbs. I am not sure where they're placed in the other hybrids. If someone has that information, please post it. And yes Rorr.... it does help the CG.
  • heyjewelheyjewel Posts: 1,046
    I went by too fast to see anything like that. Again, all I saw was the accordioned rear end and that the front end had not hit anything. I doubt this was caused by tailgating because then vehicle speeds would have been matched and the trailing vehicle would have been too close to cause this much damage without pushing the Prius into another vehicle and that obviously did not happen. No, it looked like the Prius got hit by something travelling much faster than it. I'm familiar with this type of hit cause I had the same thing happen to me on the same road 3 months ago. No, sorry to disappoint but my Lincoln did not stall or flip, rather I was stopped in traffic and this idiot came flying up behind and apparently thought he could levitate or something - he hit his BRAKES about 20 feet behind me and was probably still going 30mph when he hit me. My Lincoln LS suffered almost $4000 in damage. His Jeep Liberty looked in better shape mostly cause his bumper hit my trunk.
    This could be exactly what happened to the Prius. I dunno. I just immediately thought of the stalling issue cause I've been reading so much about it lately. I read this entire board plus most of the software problems board in the last few days. Anyone considering a Prius should do the same.
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