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Any downside to buying a hybrid?

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  • mistermemisterme Posts: 407
    Hello Kdhspyder:
    "some get 45 mpg and some can even get 50 mpg with the right driver and with the right driving circumstances"

    Sorry, you're providing more bad hybrid information.
    Most people report mid to upper 40's in their hybrid cars while some drivers get mid-upper 50's to upper 60's MPG.
    http://home.alltel.net/stevedez_00/gas.jpg
    66.6MPG displayed, 68MPG by calculated miles/gallons used and 932 miles to a single tank. All summer did mid-high 60's calculated.

    That was in mid 90's temperatures and around 95-100% humidity.

    That was with an HCH CVT. MT can do better.

    Prius can do a little better than that, and Insight is good well past 100MPG tanks, with the right driver under normal conditions.
  • nwngnwng Posts: 664
    they don't have any prius in stock but plenty of camrys. No sale today, no commission this month, it's pretty simple
  • nwngnwng Posts: 664
    while people who are baggering the prius getting lower mpg in the winter, doesn't that happen to ALL cars? My corolla gets mid to high 30's in the summer and drop to mid 20's in the winter, and I've got long, cold winters in NE. :confuse:
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,732
    "...the CRV is much more refined. Is yours a 5sp or auto?"

    Auto, though I think the MT is a 4 speed; the 2005 and later CR-V is a 5 speed auto.

    My wife doesn't drive a stick, and anyway there are two reasons I wouldn't have bought one.

    1. MT is rare - hard to find.
    2. MT gets worse MPG than auto.
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,732
    "while people who are baggering the prius getting lower mpg in the winter, doesn't that happen to ALL cars? My corolla gets mid to high 30's in the summer and drop to mid 20's in the winter, and I've got long, cold winters in NE"

    Here in SOCAL we get a "winter blend" gas, and the MPG goes down, but not by much for me - about .5 MPG.

    Of course, I'm only getting 22 MPG (city) to begin with...
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Getting low MPG in cold weather is not a problem with hybrid technology, per se. If it was, there would be ZERO drivers achieving EPA numbers in the winter months, and that is not the case.

    There are many reasons for cars not achieving max MPG in the colder months...

    Car engines must warm up to a certain internal operating temperature before they most efficiently use the fuel. Winter months and colder temps make that transition from cold start to most efficient take a little longer.

    Also: new cars go through what is called a "break-in period" where the metal engine parts are still grinding against each other more rigidly, creating more friction, which also reduces efficiency. Over time, the "extra metal" shaves off and gets lubricated better (expecially if you use Synthetic Oil) and the friction is reduced, which affect MPG numbers.

    Winter formula fuels used in most states hold less energy and this also hurts MPG.

    Generally speaking, colder weather in many areas means "rain, snow, or slush or ice" on the roads - these things add additional resistance which the tires must push out of the way to contact the road, so they hurt MPG in that way. As someone pointed out to me, "Actually driving in snow kills your mpg. You're crawling and losing traction because the wheels have to spin more."

    Tire pressures also are lowered by the cold weather too. Most people fail to properly inflate their tires all year, but ESPECIALLY in the winter when it is cold and you might have dirty tires and you just dont want to deal with spending time in the cold airing up a dirty tire. Low tire inflation can cause blowouts and adds quite a bit of rolling resistance, which forces the engine to work harder to "push" the car forward, thus using more fuel.

    Additional idling uses more fuel and hurts overall MPG, and many people in cold climes by habit or necessity are warming their cars up in the morning. That is good practice to stay warm, but BAD for MPG numbers. While idling in your garage or driveway or carport, it is getting 0 miles to the gallon !! :D

    People who use the defroster in a Hybrid are many times using the A/C compressor to help reduce the humidity in the car and clear the fog. That is a MPG killer too. The compressor can be turned off, but usually by default it comes on.

    See this science page for more explanation:

    http://tinyurl.com/3s7lo
  • nwngnwng Posts: 664
    that's socal, I always wonder how you folks there get good mileage. When I visit my cousin who lives in socal, we're either crawling at 5-7 mph on the freeway or doing 95 mph and yet plenty of people passed us

    Actually driving in snow kills your mpg. You're crawling and loosing traction(wheels have to spin more)
  • They hardly make any MTs that are not 5 or 6 speed now.

    The CR-V is 5-speed Manual http://www.edmunds.com/new/2006/honda/crv/100650235/researchlanding.html
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    they don't have any prius in stock but plenty of camrys. No sale today, no commission this month, it's pretty simple

    This is precisely the position of most sales people since they have to pay bills next month so they are looking for an immediate sale this month..not in 3-4 months. In addition sales people are not different than many here as well. The technology is threatening to some and its more complicated to explain than a normal ICE vehicle. It's one reason why I emphasize Prius sales to the point where others even give me their prospects.. I'm not as concerned with immediate compensation as I am the long term results. In addition the hybrids appeal to me for the technology and the benefits to the environment.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Easy brother,
    That wasnt my info... that was a quote from 'rroyce' that's why I highlighted it.
    Previously I had taken exception to several off handed comments he shot out.

    My statement to him was that hybrid drivers are the most authoritative source on real world mileage numbers. Most of my customers report consistently in the 48-51 mpg range combined. Yours are very good to be sure.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678
    Why on earth would you even waste a saleman's time if you have no intention of buying?

    You have never test driven a car just for the fun of it? In Hawaii I was checking to see if they would rent one while I was there. I wanted to see for myself if they are a nice car. I would never buy a vehicle I had not test driven.
  • katzjamrkatzjamr Posts: 146
    That navigator tax credit is only if the truck is used 100% for business use.
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    I've never test driven a car without the express interest in buying it. Maybe you should go into the Ferarri showroom and ask them if you can take a test drive. A little more exciting than a Prius.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678
    go into the Ferarri showroom and ask them if you can take a test drive

    As a matter of fact I test drove both a 911S and a Carrera several years ago. At the time I could not afford either one. Just wanted one. Now when it would be nothing to buy one I am not interested. So what is your point? If I test drive a car and someone asks my opinion, I have a basis for that opinion. If you remember earlier posts I test drove the Prius Classic twice and would have bought it for my now ex-wife if she had liked it. She liked her 10 year old Camry better. You should go test drive a few more cars, maybe the HAH or HCH. You may like them better than the Prius. There is no obligation to take a test drive. Both GM & Mercedes have meets for people to test drive all their vehicles. I have gone to a couple. Lines were long on the high powered stuff.
  • heyjewelheyjewel Posts: 1,046
    Saw a Prius rear ended last night. Well, I mean I saw the result still there on roadside. A** end was accordioned up pretty good, front end undamaged. Obviously was hit in the rear pretty hard. Happened on hwy 17 in Los Gatos, Ca. Twisty, turny, hilly road. 2 lanes of fast moving traffic with no or almost no breakdown lane. Looked like it happened on a blind curve.

    Now, I wonder why? Could this Prius have stalled and the driver was unable to keep going fast enuf to get out of the way? Or perhaps has the bad brakelight switch?

    I know, I'm a troll here, but these are serious questions. I can tell you, if your engine dies on this road, you could be in deep doodoo.
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    I just happened to be driving home last week and I saw a navigator turned over. No one even bothered to stop.
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    No interest in those cars. You must have a lot of spare time on your hands. If I want to drive a Porsche, I'll just ask my cousin for his keys. Everyone one of my friends have expensive cars except me. Not my thing.
  • PFFlyer@EdmundsPFFlyer@Edmunds Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 5,808
    Time to drop the feud and stick to the topics folks.

    PFFlyer@Edmunds

    Moderator - Hatchbacks & Hybrid Vehicles

  • Jewel:

    First you said SAW A PRIUS REAR ENDED....Then it was you saw the result...The car has plenty of pop so it wasn't that it couldn't go fast enough...

    Perhaps a German car had another mechanical failure and it's breaks didn't work...Based on all the Reliability evidence that would be the MOST LIKELY way the accident happened.
  • I know what you mean Falcone ...I see them all the time...laying on the side of road like a big fat turtle on it's back....

    SAD...and they cost so much money...
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