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Toyota Supra

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  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,692
    I kinda doubt it - the 86 1/2 had a much longer hood line than the 85.

    I thought this was the 2007 Supra thread?

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  • ryousukeryousuke Posts: 12
    i agree... the main enemy of the supra performance wise was its heavy weight. If they put a bigger engine in, it would make weight a bigger handicap. The biggest engine they can fit without gaining weight is the 3UZ-FE V-8(the engine in the GS,LS,SC) which they do for the Japanese GT Championship. This is why I dont think they will have a motor larger than a V-8....It would be logical to use either the avalon motor (if they put in duall vvtL-i it owuld be sweeter), and maybe even bolt a turbo on it, or they could make a new engine that is a new version of the one in the old supra, the 2JZ-G(T)E. maybe they make a 3JZ-G(T)E... if toyota got really lazy i guess they could pull out a 3UZ-FE and stick it in the new supra now if you're wondering about all this engine designation gibberish, the stuff before the - is just a name for the engine, while the last three indicate: G-engine built for performance
    F-engine built for fuel economy
    T-turbo (or twin turbo)
    E-EFI
  • motownusamotownusa Posts: 836
    I agree the "affordable sports car" market isn't that hot. Yes, they have lots of power and can go 0 to 60 in less than 6 seconds. But they are highly impractical for daily driving which means anybody who buys the Z or the Vette probably has another car that serves his day to day needs. Having said that, I think if Toyota can price and market the car right they have a good shot of capturing a significant portion of the sports car pie. I personally think the engine choices most likely to be in the production version would be the current 3.5 L engine in the Avalon although I am sure it would be modified to produce at least another 20 to 30 Hp. The optional engine would most likely be the 4.3 L v8 found in the Lexus LS and GS. That engine could easily produce another 100 or so horsepower. Now if they can price the V6 in the high 20s to low 30s and the V8 in the low to mid 40s I think this car could be a great success.
  • ryousukeryousuke Posts: 12
    yea... that pricing would be fine the V8 should be in the mid 30s (hard since im workign with canada-US dollar conversion; i just wish u'd use our dollar :p. high pricing is what killed the last supra's sales
  • If lexus does unveil a lexus GS hybrid v8 at the New York Auto Show, why not put it in the future supra? just tune it for a bit more power maybe then seems like itd be all set. just got to see when they plan to sell the GS450 hybrid
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,692
    the GS is a much bigger car than one would hope the Supra would be. The RX400H uses 240 NiMH batteries - they take up a lot of space. The 400+ hp hybrid powertrain they will use for the GS450H and the new hybrid LS will presumably need even more. Where would all those batteries go in the Supra?

    besides, I think the world in general forgives real sports cars their fuel consumption. If you've got the money to buy one, you've got the money for the gas.

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  • Do you guys know that in the 1990's that a Supra was nearly $48,000? Imagine how much it would be now?
  • karl3karl3 Posts: 2
    if they could bring back the supra, stick in a turbocharged or supercharged V-6 or V-8 and price it in the mid to high 30s it would sell like nothing else the car market has ever seen. With these tuner kids puting $100K into celicas why not get something that has some GO to go with all that SHOW. I am positive that Toyota will replace the celica with something, maybe something in the same ballpark as the supra, but nothing that could compete with it performace wise. the ' 07 "super supra" is never going into production like it is now. it will probably have a 200hp naturally aspirated V-6 and will be just another bland touring car.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,692
    the last year they sold the Supra in the U.S., the list price for the base model with the NA motor was about $33K.

    Even the twin turbo was only $42K, or something like that.

    Now in 1995 the twin turbo reached $50K sticker, and Toyota realized it had gone too far. It promptly gave all the existing owners the shaft (bye bye resale value!) by lowering the price $10K for the following model year.

    They could easily do a car that would outrun everything but the Corvette for less than $40K, using many existing components of the new Lexus cars. Which is not to say that they will do so.

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  • lemonedlemoned Posts: 1
    Hi, I know this isnt about the car you guys are talking about, but...
    Does anyone know how much HP a stock 87 MKIII non-turbo Supra has?
    Also, how much does a twin-turbo 95 MKIIII Supra engine have? I plan on swaping one into my 87 Supra sometime... and knowing the numbers helps :)
    Thanks.

    :lemon: ed
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,692
    NA '87 Supra was 200 hp even. That was a notably heavy car that didn't increase in speed much beyond its 161 hp 1985 predecessor. The TT Supra from the mid-90s, I forget, 300 hp? I think that's about right. It doesn't sound like a whole ton now, but a decade ago that was a lot of power. And of course, this is an engine renowned for being able to handle enormous boosts in power without having to strengthen the bottom end.

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  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    Actually, the TT-Supra from the mid-90's was at 320hp (stock). I think the turbo 300ZX was at 300hp.
  • lexi4lifelexi4life Posts: 181
    But is the Supra still sold anywhere in the world under the design we had until '98 or it was just killed to reappear sometime in 2007? If it's still available, could someone tell me where because I'm curious to know in what country people can still get some! :confuse:
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,692
    get them for many years in Japan after they left the States. I think they quit making them a couple of years ago? Maybe three? I lose track of time!

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  • karl3karl3 Posts: 2
    In theory if you did buy a supra from japan and brought it to the US you would face these problems:

    A) have to undergo strict power-robbing emissions check.

    B) the insurance on the car would be 1/4 the price of the car every month. and

    C) I seriously doubt that the japanese kept the TT package on for SEVEN years after being removed from the US market. especially when the japanese roads are about the width of a US sidewalk and the supra was about 30 feet wide.

    my guess is that 6 months after being pulled from the US market the production of supras ceased altogether.

    And besides it'd be a righty-drive on the RIGHT side of the road, a feat far easier said than done.

    Ed
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,692
    no no, karl, there was a JDM version of the car, left drive and all! And they did a minor revamp for '99, which is when they quit exporting it to the U.S. That car got built through the '03 MY, I think, but as I said, time goes by so fast, my recollection is fuzzy as to exact dates...

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  • lexi4lifelexi4life Posts: 181
    Anyway I wonder if Toyota would still build the next Supra with the next Lexus IS platform (the current one is from the Supra from what I heard). If they did, it'd become useless since Lexus plans an IS coupe! And Toyota said the ES was going to be the last car based on a Toyota (except from JX, GX and RX) so I really wonder if Toyota would really want to build an all new platform for ONE car. The next Supra's certainly not going to be FWD and share components with Camry or Avalon!
  • sunilbsunilb Posts: 407
    umm... Infiniti G35 Coupe and Nissan 350Z co-exist quite peacefully and both serve their markets well.
    Not sure why they couldn't do a IS Coupe and Supra.
  • lexi4lifelexi4life Posts: 181
    Lexus said the last car (excluding S.U.V.) that was going to share components with a Toyota was the ES... But I seriously think Toyota is determined to bring back the Supra here, because they see Nissan's tremendous success with their Z. Not to say that RX-8 is back, whatever the success it gets. Toyota has so much cash, I don't really see why they wouldn't build another one, it would handle really well the role of Toyota's halo car and Lexus could have its own, the LF-S!
  • chris65amgchris65amg Posts: 372
    That would also allow Toyota to stick it to Nissan for not bringing the Skyline to the US! (I would take either)
  • lexi4lifelexi4life Posts: 181
    If Toyota ever built another Supra, I think there would just be one version, with the new 3.5 V6 developing 320hp, the same hp as the old TT model. I don't think Toyota would continue with a turbo engine anymore since they're costly and because it's more difficult to make them reliable. So what would be Toyota's motivations of building another twin-turbo engine for its Supra? I'm still searching... A V8 engine sounds good, but it would take some sales from Lexus and its IS500 (if it ever goes out) or from the SC (I know they're not in the same category but anyway...) Toyota could surely offer the 3.0 (let's say at 260hp) for the base model, but if they want a real competitive car against Z, it has to have at least the same hp or performances.
  • jza80jza80 Posts: 2
    i'm not too happy with the new toyota supra, Why because the 4 gen supra aka(mkiv) are at 320hp with an easy 400-800 hp stock block. now that 07 supra coming out i know forsure that mkiv will still rule. Best thing is to turbocharge that 07 V-block and gain some juice.
    What i'm trying to say is that i hope toyota turbocharge the supra so that way import could come up.
  • jza80jza80 Posts: 2
    well the 3rd gen supra (7mgte 0r 7mge) are bad (worse)
    because #1 reason head gasket
    #2 turbo seal
    after those 7m's toyota came out with 1jz and the mkiv 2jzgte toyota did an excellant job. i love those engines, never had any problems with them. I"ve own 6mge,7mgte,1jzgte,2jzgte,and 3sgte. and i dislike the 7mgte even tho it threw out massive hp.
    hopefuly we can change toyota way of builting supra N/A and V-block. i mean if you take a minute and look at the skyline, honda s-2000,Type R,Evo,and others inlines.
    Nissan and Hondas manufacturers are pretty successful with inline turbos so i think toyota should stick with inline turbo.

    Trying to sale a na supra is one thing but if you think twice and try saleing a turbo supra more people would be interested in it. People now are looking for fast and the furious cars not vans. In 1993-98 toyota supra were unknow due to lack of advertise. Thats why supra weren't selling, but look at it know toyota supra turbo are sky rocketing.Nobody knew these cars existed unless you where a toyota guy.
  • callmedrfillcallmedrfill Posts: 729
    Toyotas turbo days are over. The experiment has failed, as great as the experiment was.

    TRD would have a turbo ready within a year for 400HP.

    DrFill
  • 1violinist1violinist Posts: 338
    [from ModernRacer.com]
    "2008 Toyota Supra
    On Sale : Unconfirmed
    These photos were Japanese interpretations of the next-gen Supra. Toyota is currently testing a supercar in the $100,000 range. Technology from this car may pass down to a future Supra, which may receive anything from a boosted V6 to a V8, or even a hybrid in its top form. Toyota has no comment, but the Supra nameplate will be back."

    Modern Racer
  • chris65amgchris65amg Posts: 372
    I think that Toyota knows that they need a halo. Ford has one in the GT (well, it's kind of broken, though :P ) Chevy has the Corvette, Dodge has the Viper, and I think that those cars kind of spice up the lineup. I would definitely approve of a Supra.
  • Just last week, driving down the highway, I saw what looked like a souped up Celica in the next lane. It looked really sharp, so when I pulled up to get a closer look of the tail end, on the trunk lid, it said Supra! I thought they had been discontinued, so that looked like good news.

    So today, when I was looking at Edmunds for information on this Toyota model, it wasn't listed. Now after finding this forum, I understand why.. but what I don't understand is how did I see what I saw last week? Could it have been some Car and Driver editor who got to take a prototype for a test spin or something?

    I'm bewildered..
    :confuse:
  • chris65amgchris65amg Posts: 372
    That's amazing! Do you live around L.A? Because that's where C&D do their stuff, I believe. However, it might have just been some moron kid who souped up his Celica and put a Supra badge on it.

    I hope not, though
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    C&D occasionally takes pre-production items out. Sometimes they can get their hands on prototypes/mules but these are generally for use ONLY on test tracks. These cars are generally very rough around the edges and are not for public roads (in additional, their replacement value is astronomical since they are essentially handmade).

    Since Toyota has a history of keeping upcoming models under close wraps (literally; even preproduction models don't hit public roads without a large amount of camoflauge wrap disguising the bodywork), virtually nothing is on the show car circuit that one could point at and say it is DEFINITELY the new Supra, and they are not expecting to release anything until '07, I have a hard time believing that a future generation Supra is running around on the streets. Besides, why would Toyota let a prototype wander around with "Supra" on the deck lid for all the world to see?

    I'd be willing to bet that either you saw a previous generation Supra, or some kid stuck a Supra badge on the back of his Celica.
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