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Volkswagen Passat 2006+



  • jefferygjefferyg Posts: 418
    Thank you for your opinion, but I don't think you fully understand where I'm coming from. I didn't buy a Passat as an alternative to a BMW 3 series. I bought a Passat as an alternative to a CamCord. $20 may not be much money to a lot of people, but for most of the folks I know it'll buy a lot of milk for the babies.

    The fact is that I can afford to pay the $92 for the service. But should I have to pay that much just because I can? Furthermore, I have to drive 80 miles to get to the VW dealer.

    I guess what really ticks me off about the whole issue is that if I'm not mistaken Volkswagen means "The People's Car." However, it seems that they've forgotten the people - the real people, the people who make up the majority of car buyers.

    Don't get me wrong, I love my car and I plan to take care of it. But it's ridiculous that a company that was started so that the average Joe could own a car has given Joe the shaft. If VW wants to move ahead that's what they need to do - get back to their roots.
  • dino001dino001 Tampa, FLPosts: 3,475
    Well, you probably noticed that all but deserted notion of "peoples' car" some time ago. Look at their commercials - nothing about "real" people, everything about being hip, different, special, and all that can be sold to those who are willing to pay to feel "that difference". With their cosmic labor cost and quality control they simply cannot beat Koreans and Japanese cars.

    "Peoples' car" no more. Drivers wanted, indeed, but only those with thick wallets - others need not apply. ;)

    2012 BMW 328i wagon, manual and sports package. No. sold in the US: 1. Probably.

  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    In VW's defense, they are building cars that have very high specific output engines which require very specific types of maintenance, most notably in the area of the oil and filter. To VW's credit, they've cut down the required maintenance such that even with $92 oil changes, they are no more expensive (or even less so in many cases) to maintain than many other competitive cars (CamCord included). So, the VW carries a 10K mile OCI and the cost is $92 (less than a penny a mile), while many competitive cars still use conventional oil and require (lower cost) oil changes more often. Granted those oil changes might work out to even less per mile in cash outlay, however, when factoring in the cost of simply dealing with the extra service appointments (transit time and waiting around time), I'll bet the VW is cheaper. Me? I'd gladly pay $100+ per oil change in exchange for a longer OCI, time is money after all (fortunately I don't have to as I do my own).

    Regarding DIY oil changes or having an independent do the work, I believe that there is substantial legal precedence to suggest that manufacturers must accept proofs from third party maintainers regarding what maintenance has been performed and what parts and fluids were used. Said another way, if your local mechanic changes the oil in your Passat and uses Mobil-1 0W-40 and a VW (or compatible) filter and your engine fails, your warranty will still be fully in effect. On the other hand if VW looks at the receipt from your mechanic (or your local AutoZone) and it says "Quaker State 3W-50" oil, then you are most likely on the hook for any and all internal engine damage.

    Best Regards,
  • dino001dino001 Tampa, FLPosts: 3,475
    I bet any given dealer's service department will still tell you "come every 3000 miles or bad stuff will happen".

    2012 BMW 328i wagon, manual and sports package. No. sold in the US: 1. Probably.

  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,663
    Those specs do seem a little off. Usually the AWD vehicle is the slower one.

    To me it seems as if they switched the specs with the configuration, meaning 6.2 for the FWD and 6.6 for the AWD.

    BTW C&D achieved 5.9 for the FWD.
  • jimd4jimd4 Posts: 877
    Well all this nonsense.

    I don't own a VW but I find it hard to see the differnce between 2x$49 per year for two oil changes at 5000 miles each on a "peoples truck" the RAV4 and one $92 oil change on the Passat every 10k miles
    . Regarding all the other stuff about legal and receipts etc. ....remember you have to collect.

    Maybe someone should have thought about this before they bought a modern car with lots of high tech (expensive) stuff that maybe they really cannot afford with a dealer 90 miles away.
  • . . .to the nearest dealer would be an issue for me, I admit. I am not suggesting, how could I?, anyone can or should afford something (or can't and shouldn't.)

    Maybe I am less trusting of the independent's documentation being acceptable to the mfgr if they are, shall we say, in a "bad mood."

    I was "suggesting" -- hinting really -- that the mfgr may want to play hardball if, for instance, the cars serviced by the dealers had low warranty claim issues "if" the ones not so serviced had higher issues.

    I come from a long line of DIY's in terms of oil and filter changes, anti-freeze and flushes, wiper blades, even fuel filters (back in the day when they were not inside the fuel tank, etc.

    I actually found great enjoyment and relaxation from this DIY stuff.

    For all I know, if I were able to do this stuff myself, I still might find these activities satisfying.

    My only mission, so to speak, was perhaps to alert you to the reputation that seems to have befallen some mfgs, VW included -- no "acceptable" proof, no warranty.

    Your technician may well be better than a VW dealer employee -- perhaps he is.

    I've heard click and clack too many times, also.

    These modern cars are wonders of technology AND I think they are more reliable than any of the sheens I grew up with in the 60's and 70's -- by far.

    Of course they are breathtakingly expensive to repair without the benevolence of the mfgr's warranty.

    With a competent technician and an 80 mile one way trip, I would probably be tempted to have the routine mntce carried out as you have suggested.

    On the other hand, if I could arrange my schedule to use the dealer whenever possible, I might also consider that as a viable risk adverse tactic.

    My sense is -- and this is totally an opinion -- that using the dealer is the offense that is the best defense.

    Tough call with that distance, tho, I understand.
  • jefferygjefferyg Posts: 418
    for your voice of reason. You always seem to come through.

    Anyway, I am on a more even keel today so let me clarify about the 80 miles and my situation.

    We bought the Passat over the CamCord for several reasons.
    1. My brother sells VW's. Ford and Chevy can't even beat that family plan.
    2. After much research, the VW seemed to me to be a superior automobile to the CamCord.
    3. My wife was not particularly impressed with other vehicles. She pays attention to details like the kids' booster seats not "fitting" in the back seat of other cars we looked at.
    4. Distance to dealership is something you just have to deal with where we live. The closest Honda Dealer is 40 miles away and the nearest Toyota dealer is just as far as VW. We have a Nissan dealer and a Kia dealer here in town, but I've just never been a Nissan fan and I would like for my car to be worth a little more than half of what I paid for it in a year.

    The only other options were offerings from the "big 3". Nothing GM or Chrysler offers impresses me, Ford 500 is too bland, and Fusion was not available at the time (and if it had been I don't think I could live with that front end).

    With all that said, I stick with my guns on $92 being a lot of money for an oil change. The argument that you should expect to pay more for maintenence on a higher priced automobile is bogus. Six quarts and a filter costs you the same money whether you're driving a $15,000 Ranger or a $40,000 F150 Lariat. If you buy a Jetta, Beetle, or Golf it's still going to be around $92.

    I suppose I look at it like my friend Philip. He won't order tea or coke at a restaurant if it's more than $.99. His argument is that just because it's a fancier restaurant doesn't make the drink worth more.

    If Wal-Mart can change your oil with full synthetic and a filter for under $50 (and still make a good profit), then the dealer should be able to as well.
  • jimd4jimd4 Posts: 877
    I have been told that the low tire pressure monitors on most cars only tell you that one tire is at different pressure than others. They do not tell if pressure is correct or a little out of of tolerance or which tire is low. Anyone know for sure about this?
  • jefferygjefferyg Posts: 418
    I don't know about the Passat, but our 04 Merc Mountaineer's tire pressure warning light came on the other day. The right rear tire was low and I discovered a nail in it. So yes, it definitely will tell you if one tire is out of sync with the others. I just don't know how much difference there has to be or if mine actually activated after getting below a certain pressure.

    The good news is that the system does work.
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,663
    My Nissan mini-van displays the PSI for each of the 4 wheels…but you still have to go out and fill it up manually; getting lazy :)
  • jefferygjefferyg Posts: 418
    My Nissan mini-van displays the PSI for each of the 4 wheels

    Cool. I believe it was the Joker who said of Batman, "Where does he get all those neat toys?"

    I'm not much of a Nissan fan, but that is really nice.
  • Does anyone have any information or have VW (not motorola or any other company) bluetooth accessories for their 06 Passat? My 2.0T has the steering wheel with controls on it and has the (phone) button, but it doesn't do anything obviously. Does anyone know if it is available and if so, how much?? If anyone has it, does it work well???
    I also recently took my car in for its second oil change (10K) and they asked if I wanted to take care of the 7 recalls...I said I was completely unaware there were any recalls...I read over the service report when I picked up the car and they were all pretty minor things.
    Any information would greatly be appreciated.
  • ray_sray_s Posts: 3
    I test-drove the 07 Wagon 2.0T auto the other day. It's pretty nimble and responsive for a car this weight and size. There is a detectable lag for less than 0.5 sec when starting from a full stop, but there's no hesitation when accelerating at any nonzero speed, which is a plus compared to a 2.0T Jetta. It'll almost surely be my next car because of its practicality and fun(though not so sporty as a smaller car).
    However,there're some minor flaws. I find the two layered dash looks busy, that makes the interior forgettable except for the gauge cluster. A lot of hard plastics on the passenger side--looks cheap. A useless "phone" button on the steering wheel. Probably reserved for future bluetooth? This small detail makes it appear to be an unfinished product. But the seat is much much more comfortable than CamCords.
    The most attractive small features are tilting to VW badge to open to rear door, auto-close button for the rear door and auto-hold.
    I'll wait for a while to see what others say about its reliability.
  • jimd4jimd4 Posts: 877
    Has anyone added an aftermarket homelink and dimming mirror to the 2.0T Passat? If so, let me know where you found the power wires etc.
    Jim D
  • Not to be picky, but the "7 recalls" are not "recalls" at all. They are simply service bullitens that the dealer should address when you have car next serviced. Minor point, I admit. Just trying to avoid all those VW bashers out there from piling on.
  • Hello,

    Does any one know when the New Passat Wagons will be available in Massachusetts? I do not see any of them on the dealer parking lots.


  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,744
    Does any one know when the New Passat Wagons will be available in Massachusetts? I do not see any of them on the dealer parking lots.

    Minuteman in Bedford had quite a few on their lot last week.
  • jimd4jimd4 Posts: 877
    Well not in MA. but dealers have 60 of them most at $200 under invoice. You sign up, send money, fly down and they bring it to the airport. Located in MD.
  • jimd4jimd4 Posts: 877
    By the way, my Audi dealer sells oil changes in "5 packs" for $169. Turbo cars slightly higher. You cannot beat the deal! Most dealer have this kind of "sales" every few months.

    And you no jepordize your warranthy for a few bucks.
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