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2009 Toyota Corolla

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  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    I read your review on the Corolla. Man, you must have a lot of time on your hands to go from dealer to dealer testing new cars. Have they booted you off the lot yet?
    ;)
    Mack
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    It's cheaper to produce an all in one key rather than a key and a separate remote fob. Most Toyotas with the KE have that type of remote now. Avalon, Camry, Corolla, Matrix, Yaris, and Scions. I imagine we will soon be seeing it on the trucks and suvs.
    Mack
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    Why would they boot a prospective buyer off the lot? I ran into a buddy of mine whom I've known for many years, a really great "master" sales rep, and he and I had a great time taking the new Corolla for a spin. If I do buy a Toyota, it would be from him.
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    I don't think you are a prospective buyer. It seems to me you are a perpetual shopper/test driver. ;)
    Mack
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    Yeah, I am weird... I actually like to evaluate cars (including at least one test drive) before I seriously consider buying them. Which I will be doing this fall. That will make six car purchases (or leases) in less than 10 years. I know it's easier for someone who works for a car maker--you pretty much know which brand you are going to drive, right? ;)
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    Yeah, I probably wouldn't drive anything not made by Toyota. ;) Although I like Hondas also but I still believe Toyotas are better.
    Before I got in the business I knew pretty much what I wanted. I would get brochures, CR, Consumer Guide, and the little Edmund's pocket books. I would narrow my choices to two vehicles and then I would begin my visit to the first dealer to test drive. I usually end up buying from the salesperson that treats us best.

    I don't know if you ever read my story when I got back from Desert Storm and we were looking for a second car as the Toyota Van was not enough for two drivers. If things would have been different at the Honda dealer we went to I would be selling Hondas today. We were pretty much ignored when we pulled up. All the salespeople that were staring out of the showroom windows scrammed.
    I looked and went around to open the door so the kids could get out and also open the passenger side for my wife. I made a comment to her about what I saw and she saw it too.
    We walked to the lot and looked for the Accords. We found one with a manual tranny and we waited for a salesperson to come out. No one did. It was probably one of the hottest day in that summer so I told my wife I would go in and find a salesperson.
    When I walked into the showroom there was one guy reading a magazine and another behind a counter that I assumed was a sales manager. I walked up to him and told him I was buying a car today and I had been on the lot for over 20 minutes and no salesperson had come out to assist us. He apologized and looked over to the guy reading a magazine.
    "Hey Jack, this gentleman wants to look at a car." The guy got up and folded the magazine and came over. His expression made it seem like I had interrupted his dinner or something.
    He came up and said "Which car you want to drive." more of a command than a question. I told him there was a bronze accord I wanted to test drive. "Show me where it is." he said. We walked out to the car and he copied a number and said he would go get the key. We waited another 10 minutes and he shows up with the key and a d-tag.
    What happened next I will not forget for as long as I live. He unlocks the car and my three boys get in the back seat and buckle up. As my wife opens the front passenger door and is about to get in the car he stops her. "Oh no, I have to go with you on the test drive." he says. I looked at him and said to him "Where's my wife going to sit?" I asked, and this is what the moron said:

    "Just throw her in the back seat with the kids"

    :surprise: I could not believe my ears and my wife was so upset she stayed behind as I took this idiot on the ride of his life. Needless to say I didn't buy the Accord. On the was back to the dealer he asked which other cars I was considering. told him a Camry since we had already owned two Toyotas and they were bullet proof. He says to me "It looks like you already had your mind up on the Camry." and I replied: "No. This car was right up there too. Unfortunately the way you treated us makes me not want to come back to this dealership ever, See that woman standing outside the building? She has a pre-approved check in her purse. We are buying a car but not from you"
    I got the kids and met my wife at the edge of the building, we got back in our car and I said to her: "Honey, if I ever get into car sales I hope that I don't treat anyone like this guy treated us."
    Mack
  • robbiegrobbieg Posts: 326
    I am interested in the Corolla but want to know how car seats fit in the back seat. I need to put two in. One is for a newborn, so the car seat is going to click in. The other is a forward facing seat for a one year old. I am worried about the fit because the click in seat really doesn't fit into my 2005 Legacy.

    Thoughts?
  • veldevelde Posts: 17
    Mack,
    Great Story!
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    Best thing to do is take your car seats down to the Toyota dealer and do a test-fit in a Corolla, to make sure everything fits the way you want. There is much variation in car seats, and in attachments for car seats.
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    Thank you! :blush:
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Good story Mack..

    My own is similar and how ironic ( see below ).

    1989 my former company promotes me and as an officer I'm entitled to choose any vehicle under $20000 which they will buy for me outright. I'm very hot to get an Accord at that time so my wife and I go to the local Accord store ( the three children are left with the oldest as the sitter ) in North Jersey and do the whole process...lambs to the slaughter so to speak. Well the '89 Accord was very very nice and I decided to buy it. We go inside and get everything written up and as we're going over the figures there's a $2500 surcharge in the vehicle price. Huh?

    'What's that?' says the neophyte.
    'Accords are the hottest vehicle on the market now. It's a market adjustment surcharge.' replies shark.
    Til now we've been like George Halas as described by Mike Ditka; i.e. we threw around nickels like they were manhole covers. All our prior vehicles were purchased preowned. The only reason that this is a new one is that someone else is buying it for us. $2500 surcharge??? That brings this $18000 Accord to over $20,500 plus NJ taxes and fees.

    'I'm not paying that.'
    Now the kicker ala Mack's story.

    'Well don't expect to go anywhere else and try to negotiate something better. We all talk to each other, ya know.' DING!!!!!!!!! [ thoughts of attacking slimebag scum-sucking shark are somehow repressed]

    So I walk out the front door of the store across the parking lot shared with the Toyota store walk in the front door there. 'I want to test drive a Camry' 'Sure'. Cliff Notes: With an $800 discount off MSRP I drive away 2 hours later in my first new Camry at about $17500 +TTF.

    Denoument: 10 Toyota's later [ 3 more Camrys, MR2 Spyder, Highlander, Prius, Solara Conv, Tacoma ( son ), Supra ( son ), Celica ( dtr ) ] I am now working in my retirement job on the other side of town from Mack selling Toyota's as he does.

    I still haven't purchased my first Honda. I just enjoy keeping them well down in 3rd or 4th place.
  • howardm1howardm1 Posts: 3
    Yeah, that makes sense...darn thing is SO big...that ergonomic doesn't factor in.

    Do you (or any other reader) know where I can find a softer console cover? Driving it every day now for two weeks it's a little elbow-numbing.

    Again, these are all relatively trivial points; I really like the car. Hope the fellow who responded to me that the mpg will go up is right though...But I would like to be able to find a softer console cushion that doesn't look taped on...and a decent looking I pod holder I can attach too.

    thanks everyone.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    Great stories! I always wonder what leads people into car sales, and why they have a brand preference if they do. It has been my consistent experience over 25 years that Toyota dealers are much much easier to deal with than Honda dealers. There are bad Toyota dealerships too of course, but I have never met a GOOD Honda sales person. And what's with the "I have to come along and babysit" attitude from Honda dealers? At my local Toyota store they just toss me the keys and ask me to please limit my test drive to 30 minutes. Ditto at the Subaru store, I might add.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    You could check with an auto upholstery shop, the kind that does custom interiors. Should be a relatively trivial exercise to fasion a custom padded cover (vinyl or leather) that wraps over the hard plastic one.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    They are really great stories. And they save me from having to wade through the thousands of posts in the "Stories from the Sales Front Lines" discussion to get stories like that. Must be tons of stories like that in there. ;)
  • bearcrkrdbearcrkrd Posts: 167
    I just bought a Honda Civic. It did seem a bit strange that the saleman had to not only come along, but HAD to drive the vehicle off the lot. We pulled over down the street. I was driving when we came back, though (?). I had purchased 5 new Toyotas from Thanksgiving 2000, last one 20 months ago. I wanted to try something different, thinking maybe something could happen and this would be my last new car. They tossed me the keys the last couple time I was shopping at Toyota. I don't test drive unless I'm serious, I do like to look around showrooms and open doors and kick tires when the new model year comes out. Anyway, I believe I did say I was serious, and they tossed me the keys. That was the right move. RESPECT. I remember it enough to bring it up here after 20 months.
    This time around I got the Edmunds number on the purchase, but the trade was another matter. I traded down, but my third fill-up was 40mpg, and that was the whole point.
    I live just South of Seattle. There are a good number of new Civic 2 and 4 doors on the road. There are TONS of Corollas. The reviews are nuetral at best, yet they are selling like hotcakes. The redesign has used a couple of lines that make the thing look lower and wider, and the nose is better looking, too. I think the Corolla is better looking than the Camry. Lastly, I wanted to buy a Saturn Astra, to support GM. I checked them out a couple times after they arrived. Didn't drive, just looked on the lot. I was impressed, and the 100,000 mi warranty was super. I traded an 18-19 month old Sienna, and went with the best gas mileage I could find, and it was cheaper by a couple thousand, or more, than the Astra. I do feel kinda bad. It was a bad financial deal to start with, and I just couldn't make it worse. Anyway, what I wanted to point out is this; I have seen ONE Astra in a parking lot, a little dirty, and with a lincense plate, so it was purchased by someone. That's it!!! Not a single one driving down the road. Any road, anywhere!
    Thanks for the stories!!
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    Our store instituted a ride with every customer unless there is no room then we have to do a permission to ride slip. That lasted for about a week as it took to much time to copy the license, enter their information in the CRM, and then print the permit.

    I always ask if they like for me to come along in case they have some questions. 99% of the time they tell me to come along.
    :)

    :shades:
  • nedzelnedzel Posts: 787
    Almost all of the times that I've test driven a car, the sales guy drives it off the lot. I don't understand the logic behind that.
  • veldevelde Posts: 17
    I was told by a salesman at Hyundai recently that they are liable if you hit a customer walking through the parking lot while they are weaving in and out between the cars as they are browsing, so they hand over the wheel to you once you are free of their property.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    Well, I live near San Francisco, and I have to say that about half the cars on the road around here are Civics or Corollas. I have noticed the '09 Corolla in large numbers on our streets already, but I don't think they are outpacing Civics (the new style) that still have the dealer sticker instead of a license plate.

    I, like you, went to check out Astras recently because I had looked forward to their arrival eagerly. The EPA rating on the stick is 24/32, which is only a little worse than Civic/Corolla, and the drive was pretty nice. I wasn't moved to trade early, but I will keep them in mind next time I do trade. Also similar to you, I have yet to see ANY Astras on the roads here. It will be a shame for GM if this thing totally flops, as it is a car worthy of consideration. I would argue that it is at least as good a deal, and with a nicer interior and better moves on the road, than the '09 Matrix.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

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