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2009 Toyota Corolla

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  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Out on a limb...

    Toyota usually keeps engines and platforms for 10 yrs. This 1.8L is in it's 10th year now. IMO it goes to a 2.0L next Spring.

    However this 1.8L still gets great FE and gets along very nicely when driving. Leaving it just wouldn't generate any 'WOW' appeal.

    But what if the standard engine was the 2.0L but the top trim model had the 1.5L HSD power train from the Prius? Now there is two potential 'WOW's in the same way that the new Camry has two 'V6's' now.
  • kato1kato1 Posts: 64
    mileage is abysmal. didnt that car replace the neon. what is chryler offering for those that dont want to live at the gas station?
  • if you follow the desigen history from corolla since 1966 to 2006, tou will see the evolution from a compact, economic and lack of safety to a new order: a Midsize sedan that deliver power, economy, safety, confort, reliability and trust in costumers, that why its the most sold car in the world, more than VW Beetle. But I think the evolution and competition Continues, Corolla design Engineers have a new chalenge a midsize sedan with a revolutionary design that combine power and fuel economy with the hybrid electric technology, plus and agressive exterior and interior design to compete with civic market share, I new model to stand over the competition and keep and affordable balance in price, power, safety, confort andstyle. Fast and Style ;) 2008 Corolla A Revolutionary Design dedicated to enthusiastic and passionate drivers! :) ">
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    I assume the WOW you refer to would be in the FE department? While I would appreciate that, I doubt many would be more than underwhelmed by a new powertrain for Corolla that made less power than the standard gas.

    Actually, the way the hp wars have gone in the compact segment, the HSD from the new Camry would be just about appropriate in the new Corolla, as the sportiest trim (XRS or whatever it turns into). 192 hp and a combined mpg of 40 or more would be just the ticket to WOW. But what of the price? I am sure that would have to sticker well above $20K, and at least 20% more than the next cheapest Corolla, which would mean it didn't sell well, I think.

    How about a turbo? Would Toyota get back into the turbo games for an extra-sporty Corolla? If they do that, I hope they make a lowered 2-door version too, harkening back to the 80s Corolla sport coupes. Since they have apparently decided never to have an actual sport model in the Toyota line-up any more, it would fill a large-ish gap.

    Ooooo - imagine if they built a Corolla XRS with the 2.5 out of the IS250 - 200 hp and 180 lb-ft in a 2800-pound sedan. I like it! :-)
    Honda is about to have a Civic SI sedan for the first time ever, and the new Sentra will have a new SE-R - is Toyota to be totally left in the dust here?

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,407
    Why don't they just make the engine smaller but massage it to get the same power. Why does it have to get faster all the time? How about focusing on better mpg now that gas is spiriling upwards? Not everybody wants a hybrid.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    There is public perception as stated above. Wheher it's right or not a vehicle has to be in the same class as the others or many buyers will ignore it or will not give it serious consideration. The vehicle has to be capable enough and have a wide enough appeal to attract 350,000 new buyers every year.

    A new 2.0L with 150-ish hp but the same FE as the current 1.8L would be a strong selling point to continue to attract new buyers. But add the 1.5L+HSD with 60-70 mpg FE as the premium trim and that's a huge attraction for both the traditional Corolla buyer as well as the environmentally conscious one looking for a less expensive option to the Prius and Camry.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    those pics are of the European model, with which the NA model has shared little except a name since time immemorial. I think that 5-door is most likely the next Corolla Verso across the water.

    I would love it if there were a proper Corolla hatch next time around, though, not one quite so large as the Matrix. I would like to see the Matrix renewed too.

    dudleyr - I hear you. I would love it if Toyota would do that, but do you really suppose they would boost the FE rating when the current model is already nipping right at the heels of the brand new Yaris model? Who would buy the Yaris after that, unless the new Corolla's price jumps way up (which is unfortunately quite possible :-()

    Not to mention, in the real world the Prius does 45-48 mpg. Imagine if the next Corolla would do real-world 40-42. That is so close they would see a decline in Prius sales, I think.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • Someone can tell if there`s some page to contact japanese design from toyota? I would like to describe them my ideas about the new corolla in power,2.4, FE Hybrid, transmision, tiptronic 5 speed, wheel comand, new trusty brakes, stability, 4 inches wider, better wheels and tires, better xenon head light, new egonomic seats and interior console, digital gauge, new exterior, new power train, all wheel drive, I think they cant add all these stuff in a sporty version, and still keep de FE near 30-32 mpg, and the price raise to 23,000 USD, think about the Mazda 3S, the sentra R, or the civic SI, I want a new corolla fun to drive!!!! in sedan version, and keep ahead of competition. But I don`t want mechani six speed transmision, think in Rush Hours. Fast and Style, :D
  • kato1kato1 Posts: 64
    mpg of 40-42+. granted this is primarily highway driving and its a 5 speed. even with a 50/50 city-highway mix im getting 37-39 mpg. im beyond happy with this and i didnt have to spend the extrsa $$$$$$$$$$ for a hybrid.
  • Please keep searching the web to fin more picture from corolla 2008 an post it!! :) DId you see the new yaris lately!!!looks like like somebody wash a Corolla and ShrinK!!!! :) :D
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    This is intentional btw. Toyota does it all the time when a new major launch is being prepared. ( ses new RAV preparing the way for the new Highlander ) ( see new Avalon/XLE Camry preparing the way for new ES350 ).

    The Yaris sedan is a mini Corolla with more features than the CE but at the same price. A buyer can choose a stripped Corolla or a loaded Yaris. It helps to keep the Corolla insulated from severe price pressure.

    Now if a hard bargainer wants to buy a CE Corolla for $13000 he can get a loaded Yaris for the same price. It's very smart marketing.
  • I was checking the spec from corolla verso, there`s an diesel engine 2.2 DID, with 136 HP, that is faster 0-60 mph than the gasoline version, I ASk, How is this possible?? somebody please tell, Fast :) & Style ;) With the petroleum at US$75 Barrel, it`s much better think about economy and no to much in power. :(
  • sonatabeansonatabean Posts: 201
    I just read thru the last 100 or so posts here as I will be replacing my 2000 Hyundai Sonata GLS V6 in the next two years. I've pretty much reached the point where I'm either getting a Corolla or a Civic.

    But this stuff??? The posts about Xenon HID self-leveling headlamps? 200 + Horses and six-or-more-speed trannys? Or, from just above, Hopefully, they will manage to improve the fuel economy a bit at the same time, in relation to adding liters, horses, and still spending less time and cash at Exxon than does the owner of a Chevy Suburban?

    There is something Economists call "The Law of Diminishing Returns." Essentially, what this law boils down to is adding features and value (in the case of autos, bigger, faster, options, features, and gizmos) gradually produces a lesser result over time: there is a point where a product is "the best it can be" and all that is required from that point out is keeping the quality superlative, not adding features.

    The Corolla is just where it needs to be, "youse wiseguys."

    The Corolla is an economy car. ECONOMY car. It's a DAMN NICE economy car, but, at the end of the day, it's still an ECONOMY car.

    All you pavement-blasters out there? Either embrace the SEMA mentality and learn to do your own mods rather than whining for Toyota to hand them to you -OR- do like the Medschool Candidate and get the training for an income to blow $165 grand on a Benz SL because, from the sounds of it, that Benz is what you really want: it already has all the features described built-in.

    A Benz SL is *NOT* an economy car - and I think illustrates the feature difference between a Corolla and, say, pretty much anything else, far better than I can.

    The reason I'm piping up my two cents worth is this - like the MD Candidate, I'm getting a medical education as well and the reality is, I just don't have a boat-load of cash to throw around. I spend a crap-load of time at the university, a crap-load of time at the hospital, and a crap-load of time in libraries.

    And, realistically, I, too want a decent car. I like driving. I like comfort and style. I like features. I like some ooomph when I hit the gas.

    I want a car that has nice creature-comforts like leather seats, an integrated power package, and a good stereo. I want a nice smooth ride with really tight steering and handling. And, given my real-world life ADDED TO some predictions that gas will hit $4.00 a gallon this summer?

    I want to be pumping my already-limited funds into something other than my gas tank.

    The current Corolla can offer all those features AND the MPG I just described. And given the interior aesthetic is pretty tasteful (Edmunds and Motor Trend compare the quality to bordering on Lexus - and from what I see, I agree) and that the Corolla can now be had with "aftermarket" leather from a Toyota-approved, OEM, airbag-compatible supplier (Bartlett Corp, http://www.bartlettcorp.com/), I only have one hope: that Toyota takes what it already has and just makes it better.

    Having driven the Corolla S in a 5-speed and comparing it to the Civic (both 2006)? The Civic has more interior road-noise and engine-noise than the Corolla. And while the Civic may be a tad "tighter" in handling, the end-result is *NOT* better: unlike a Lexus where "smooth" and "tight" meet in a dream-like synergy, the Civic is just "tight" without the "smooth."

    For what it is, the Corolla is really good. I'm especially fond of the Corolla S model and would like to get that one in the 5-speed with curtain airbags, sunroof, aluminum interior trim and the Bartlett seats (probably two-tone, charcoal-and-tan).

    My only concern is that Toyota will turn the Corolla will turn into what the Camry USED to be . . . and that just ain't the car I want. And given I have to wait 'till next year to buy . . . I may end up SOL because, after doing the comparision between Corolla S and Civic LX/EX?

    I really do like the Corolla better.
  • sonatabeansonatabean Posts: 201
    My only concern is that Toyota will turn the Corolla will turn into what the Camry USED to be . . . and that just ain't the car I want.

    To clarify, I meant the original V-6 with 5-speed SE version that a lot of kids pimped-out after their dads cast the car off (late 1980s, early 1990s).
  • Hello SonataBeam!!!
    I`m agree with you, Corolla is a midsize car with FE vision in design mind. Some facts that you already now from corolla:
    Best selling car in history.
    Safety
    Confort and soft to ride
    reliability
    All mechanic knows how to fix it!!
    Yor can't find parts in a grocery store!!! (Is easy to find)
    Easy to sell and keep the price. speccially sedan.

    I Know about the crisis and the gas increasing prices, but think about competition: Corolla is nor fun to drive (except for XRS), if you check the Civic SI, Subaru, WRX, Mitsubishi Evo X, I want a Corolla Powerfull and fun to drive, and Keep ahead of competition, Corolla is losing market and Japanese market Manager Knows it!!! The need to create a new Platform with atractive exterior design, ergonomic and digital interior, a more powerfull engine, transmision, a better stability and brakes. thats why I am betting safe for a new corolla 2008.
    Mr. Sonata Beam, if you want an economic car, think about a toyota Prius or Yaris, maybe a Honda Fit. :P :D
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    at its heart, Corolla is meant to be an economical car. The fear is that now that Toyota has Yaris and the little Scions to fill the roles of "economical" and "gas-sipping", it is going to lux up the Corolla to extract profits better, figuring it has the "bottom" of the market covered with other models.

    I hope not. I hope Toyota still remembers what Corolla is and has been for the last 30 years.

    With the amount of luxury features you are looking for, fastandstyle, I am not sure why you are looking for a Corolla. Perhaps it is out of the same wish we all have that Toyota had any genuinely sporty models left in its line-up? But molding the next Corolla to fill that gap is inappropriate, I think. It is primarily a commuter car, economical to buy and operate, and reliable at the same time. It is one of the few models on the market today to survive as long as it has with such a consistent mission.

    Now, with all of Toyota's global resources, it would be like the snapping of fingers for them to find some other model to import to the U.S. that could be fast, stylish, and luxurious by various turns. Look at the Avensis on whose chassis the Scion tC is based - how about they bring sedan and hatch versions of that here with hotter engines? Toyota is just not committed to this sort of thing outside its Lexus line, that is the problem.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • sonatabeansonatabean Posts: 201
    Yep - you hit the nail on the head, there, in my opinion.

    The fact one can get a Corolla with some added creature-comforts and even some neat exterior features (I'm thinking the "S" ground effects, wheels, and fogs) can even make for a stylish economy car.

    Now, with Bartlett getting the sanction from Toyota to supply the leather (Bartlett is actually the original OEM supplier for Toyota USA) via approved aftermarket restylers directly to consumers, one can even get a GROOVY economy car.

    What fastandstyle wants is a Civic SI or a Corolla XRS.

    Sure, there is a place for such cars.

    But there is a place for the decent, stylish economy car, too.

    Yaris is okay - but the weird center-stack dash gauges and the fact it's so darn small are more "first new car."

    I'm in the 30-something range; I don't want to spend more than 22 grand at most; and laying tracks on pavement is both expensive on gas and tires.

    It also leaves the utterly wrong image commuting to and from a hospital ER: namely irresponsible.

    I just hope they stick with what they have and make that BETTER.

    Fast just needs to bite the bullet and get a 3-year lease traded Lexus IS: that car, not the Corolla, is what he's describing.
  • sonatabeansonatabean Posts: 201
    ...not to mention, I'll be trading a Hyundai Sonata V-6 with absolutely every possible option on this car.

    The reality is, the newer Hyundais are okay (mine is now 6 years old) . . . but the long-term quality is not the same as Toyota.

    Add that even 30 MPG is crap when gas is $3.50 a gallon, and the 'Yota Corolla looks better every day - especially given similar MPG numbers out of the Camary Hybrid cost about ten grand more.

    Which leads to the other point: the Yaris is a kid/starter car. The Prius is neat - but also has that damn weird dash design. But for decent options?

    Try a price near 30 grand US Dollars.

    Corolla S. With an approved Bartlett interior. 5-speed. Sunroof, curtain airbags.

    For me, that would do it nicely.

    I just hope that car I describe will be AROUND 18 months from now.

    Wasting time on forums is easy, huh (and fun, too)?
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    that's not consistent: if you want a Corolla S with those options, then you should be aware that a similarly equipped Prius will NOT be anywhere "near 30 grand US dollars". In fact, the most base model would have everything you want except the curtain airbags ($650 option) and the moonroof, which isn't available from the factory at any price.

    But the point is, the Prius is a luxury gas-sipper to Yaris' spare and spartan gas-sipper (and Prius has some more cargo space due to the hatch design).

    GAWD, I hope Toyota keeps its head screwed on straight and doesn't drop the FE rating of the '08 Corolla. The first time I get any inkling from advance reports that that will be happening, I am going to have to think seriously about grabbing one of the last of the '07s. Or just giving Corolla up as an future alternative for me.

    I really hope Toyota keeps some sort of Corolla hatch in the line-up though. I am just going to keep on repeating that here in the hopes that the psychic vibrations of my words reach the product planners at Toyota! :-P

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

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