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2009 Toyota Corolla

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  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,692
    Maybe one reason is that a February '08 launch for a 2008 model makes the car ineligible for the various 2008 car awards. So might as well call it a 2009.

    Launching mew models early in the year is pretty common these days. Toyota has done it, e.g. Camry and 2003 Corolla. DCX has done it, e.g. 2005 minivans. Hyundai has done it, e.g. 2006 Sonata.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    The Corolla for the last 7+ years has been the earliest of the new MY vehicles. I remember driving the first Matrix on Super Bowl Sunday in 2002, they and the new Corolla's hit the streets right after that.

    Then there was
    the 2004 Sienna in April 2003
    the first Lexus 400h in April 2004
    the first HH in May 2004
    the 2007 Camry in March 2006
    the 2007! Tundra this past Feb.

    I think this gives them the spotlight alone rather than the maelstrom around Labor Day.
  • harrycheztharrychezt Posts: 405
    Someone told me they saw photos of a 3 door hatch( and the 5 door wagon, which may be the Blade/Matrix next year), and the sedan, and that the sedan and 3 door would be here in USA( seeing as the tC sold a few hundred units shy of 80,000 units last year...maybe they figure they could sell some Corolla's, perhaps, also?? Maybe it depends on what is next for the tC? I dunno).
    Anyone see the Fuse concept in 06, the concept( tC replacement?). It was RWD.

    take care/not offense.
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Posts: 992
    It would be AWESOME if we could get the Aurion as a scion and the Axio as the 10th generation corolla.

    Regardless, I love the cluster!! That is TOTALLY the colors toyota uses in the Scions!!

    Toyota may just be giving us the ;)

    -Cj
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    The models and Europe and Japan almost always look different than the US models.
    That is probably not the same car as the next Corolla for the US.
  • Remember that Corolla has the 1rst place in Guinness record as the best seling car in the war, So Toyota Motors can do whatever they want with market Strategy and still is the best and the most wanted car in the whole galaxy.
    2nd Place is Ford F-150 Truck
    and 3rd place the Ford T or Vokswaguen I dont remember
    Regards!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    I remember some speculation that they were going to be doing a coupe once again next time around, something like the old GT-S from the 80s, with sportier suspension and maybe a bit more power. I LOVE that idea, it's time to get something a bit more sporty back in the Toyota line.

    But I would like it even better if it were a 3-door rather than a coupe with a trunk.

    Baby steps, baby steps...

    :-)

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    Maybe in Europe and Japan. Hatchbacks, diesels and manual transmissions are things of Europe. Not popular in the US.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,692
    Diesels and MTs, maybe. But hatchbacks are making a comeback. Look at all the small hatchbacks available now, including the Fit, Versa, Yaris, Accent, Rio5, Spectra5, Rabbit, Reno, A3, Caliber, Mazda3, Mini, the Scions, SX4, and soon the new Astra and Elantra hatches.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    the sportiest Astra will be the 3-door XR! I could easily see a 3-door Corolla with a bigger engine (the 2.4 from the Camry that everybody keeps bandying around?!) and a sport suspension package. I bet it would sell well.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    No, it would be in direct conflict to the Scion TC.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    the mental image I have here is an upright 3-door, like a shortened Matrix, not a sport coupe like the tC. I don't think they would eat into each other's sales too much. We are talking different flavors of the same basic package here, much like the xA/Yaris now, and the next xB, Blade, and current RAV4.

    Same platform and powertrain under the skin, but there's lots of differentiation in suspension settings and body styles.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • Dear Corolla Fellows, Check this out. www.autoblog.com This is music o my ears, Finally Japanese Engineers awake!!!! :D

    Japan Report: No Quelling Toyota AE86 Revival Rumors
    Filed Under: Coupes, Sports/GTs, Toyota, History, Automotive News March 21st, 2007 3:28 PM

    Rumors about a revival of that brilliant, rear-drive, lightweight Toyota Corolla Sport coupe that starred in the ‘80s continue to do make the rounds in Tokyo.

    Known as the AE86, and sold in Japan variously as the Corolla Levin and Sprinter Trueno, it was also a hit in Europe as the Corolla GT and sold in North America as the Corolla Sport (in DX, SR5, and GT-S trims, respectively). It’s a car that’s still number one among the toge zoku, Japan’s late night mountain racing tribe thanks to a wonderful, willful chassis that was just born to powerslide.

    Senior factions with Toyota have been keen to bring the car back, but the sales and marketing teams have so far torpedoed it because they can’t believe it would sell.

    First, of course, Toyota would need a good Corolla-class, rear-drive chassis, but sadly, there aren’t too many of those to go around right now. But still, the speculation about a modern day AE86 just won’t go away…
  • jacksan1jacksan1 Posts: 504
    Yes, they've been talking about the "return of AE86" in Japan forever and ever, but it has not happened. And today, it's even more impossible than ever, since the sports car market is absolutely dead in Japan. The Toge Zuki population has been dwindling over the years, as very few younger people in Japan seem to be interested in going for a toge (Japanese for a summit pass). Hakone, an extremely popular mountain region not far from Tokyo, used to be chock-full of winding-road maniacs, some of whom drove AE86s. Today, minivans dominate Hakone. Toyota's sales and marketing people have it right - bringing the likes of AE86 would cost Toyota billons and billions of yen, but it would be a miracle if more than a few hundred units (if that) could sell in any given month, considering Japan's present automobile market.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,692
    Doesn't Toyota design certain vehicles only for markets outside Japan, e.g. the Tundra and Avalon? Why not a rear-wheel-drive sports coupe for the U.S., Australia, and some other countries that would appreciate it?
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    Not going to happen.
    There is a market for it, but the market is too small to be cost effective or make any logical financial sense to Toyota.
  • sandman46sandman46 Posts: 1,798
    I saw a pic in this Sundays paper that looked very similar to the Corolla in the pics shown earlier on this page. Not sure if it was a typo or what, but it looked very similar and I think it looks great! Very Camryish and a bit larger than the last generation. Toyota seems to be more conservative than Honda was with the new Civic, which could be a good thing. I personally love my '06 Civic LX, but many in the automotive world think it's just a bit to out there. I think it's a great design, but if it came down to a choice between it and the new Corolla, it would've been a more difficult choice to make.
    One thing I hope Toyota fixes is that "mushy" brake feel. We had it on the four Toyota's that we owned and it pushed us to the competition. If that problem is resolved with this new model, I think the wife will look at the Corolla as a serious replacement in 2010 for her Mazda 3s.
    I do like the "evolution" of the new Corolla though and I predict that it will be a big seller for Toyota. Hopefully they will give it some more upscale features like leather and a power drivers seat. Some of us really like this size car but would like some more creature comforts offered. And with gas prices being what they are, this could be a great marketing move. Are you listening Honda?

    The Sandman :)
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,692
    I don't know if Honda is listening, but they don't have a lot of influence over the design of the next Corolla. ;)

    Put competitive standard safety gear and a comfortable driving position for most people in it, and I'll be pretty happy. I can live without leather and a power driver's seat in an economy car. No sense spending $20k for a Corolla with leather and power seats when that's getting into Prius territory (for economy) or several mid-sized cars (for comfort/room).
  • sandman46sandman46 Posts: 1,798
    Understandable about getting into a pricier level with leather and power seats. We both just don't want to go to a mid sized car again...been there, done that. But I think we will be out of luck on that score, but as we get older...52 and 51, we would like those two options. Not ready to spend the $ to get into a Lexus I250. According to our local Lexus store, all their cars require premium juice now and I won't buy any car that can't live on 87 octane.
    My comment about the Civic and the new Corolla was just an observation that Toyota must equip the car to keep it as close to the Civic in as many ways as possible. I'd bet that most people who look for a car in this class use these two as the benchmark when comparing all the other entries. Just looking at the sales figures tells me I'm right about this. They are the top best sellers after all.

    The Sandman :)
  • mcmanusmcmanus Posts: 121
    From a market perspective, the Corolla must stay squarely in the middle of the Yaris and Camry. And obviously Toyota has the manufacturering capacity to flood the market with a multitude of different s. Marketing types can point to Coke and Pepsi as examples where the shelves are filled with many varieties of cola just to push the competition out of sight of the customer.

    Still I don't understand why Toyota introduced a hatchback and sedan version of the Yaris because IMO the 1.5L is too small for an automatic and I question if the two compete too much with each other while wondering how many buy a 4 door sedan with manual.

    I'd like to see the new Corolla use a 2.0L, keep the tall/narrow shape, and come up with a design that doesn't copy the Yaris sedan/Camry (It's already hard at first glance to tell those apart, can you imagine how tight the market would be for a 3rd look alike?) And of course the distant steering wheel must go (redesign the air bag/seat belt if needed to get the desired crash rating).

    The tall/narrow profile is most useful in town and increasely narrow parking spaces along with wider/older occupants. While marketing rarely looks to older customers, there are 8,000 people turning 60 everyday in the U.S. The current tall/narrow design makes access easier and improves visibility. Maintaining good fuel economy another important factor to this fastest growing market share as they look towards retirement with it's capped income.

    My wish for a 2.0L engine is largely based on my experience with a 1989 2.0L Camry manual that averaged 35 mpg. That dual overhead cam was very smooth. With a somewhat lighter car and improvements in engineering a 2.0L Corolla should be able to meet or beat that 35 mpg. The 2.0L would put the Corolla right in the middle of the Yaris and Camry, give it a marketing edge over the Civic, and provide a performance boost.

    Otherwise I'd beef up the feel of the car as more substantial (crash worthiness being a concern, but an emotional one that a solid/tight door slam would go a long way in convincing prospective buyers). Again, my 1989 Camry had the solid feel that communicates to the casual observer "you're not dealing with a tin can car".

    My wish for the line-up would go like this:

    CE - 5M, PW, PL, AM/FM/CD (the addition of PW & PL at this level would keep overall manufacturing cost lower)

    LE - add 5A, remote locks, air, cruise

    Beyond that I'm not sure. Let's be honest, this isn't a sporty car. (Toyota doesn't offer anything sporty, that's a different topic that they should address elsewhere.) And this isn't a luxury car either. (Price wise you're quickly bumping up into Camry range.) The lion's share of Corrolla sales have been CE and LE versions anyway.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    "The lion's share of Corrolla sales have been CE and LE versions anyway. "

    I'm not too sure about this. Among retail sales, I am pretty sure the S is the most popular.

    And I definitely want to see a 5-speed manual as the standard transmission for the next-gen S! I am hoping the next S has some actual suspension mods, maybe a bigger tire too, to go with the "sport" label. This would exactly follow the lead of the current, recently new Camry: the SE is lowered slightly, with different shock tuning, thicker sway bars, and extra chassis bracing, as well as bigger tires.

    I agree that the next Corolla had better have standard power package (with keyless entry, it's expected now) across the board, and let's face it, it had better have six standard airbags and ABS like the Korean competition. With all that, it seems safe to say that is ALL the upgrades we will get in standard equipment for the CE. I am hoping the LE and S will have standard cruise - it has been standard on the Camry LE for the last 3 generations. It would be nice to see VSC standard on LE and S, or at least optional with wide stand-alone availability.

    And they really oughtta make navigation optional, at least on LE, to keep up with the Civic (and the Mazda3).

    I have decided that my next car will definitely have factory sat radio, so they had better think about making that option more widespread too! :-)

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kenymkenym Posts: 405
    The next Corolla had better have standard power package (with keyless entry, it's expected now) across the board, and let's face it, it had better have six standard airbags and ABS like the Korean competition.

    My wife has a 06 Corolla S with that equipment on it now. Granted the airbags and moon roof were optional but everything else was standard. Toyota offered the XRS for 06. It came with a 5 speed manual transmission and a larger engine and I believe bigger tires. However it didn't go over very well and they discontinued it after only one model year. :shades:

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  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    If your wife has a Corolla XRS, then ABS was standard. It also had a base MSRP very close to $20 grand, and was sold in tiny tiny numbers. (Oh, and it had a 6-speed manual, not 5, and didn't have a bigger engine, but it was more powerful)

    But the Corolla S, like all the rest of the Corollas, does not have standard ABS. And extra airbags, traction, and stability control are also all available, but only as options, and traction control and VSC are very rare. (the XRS was discontinued after the '06 model year)

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • raychuang00raychuang00 Posts: 541
    ...I think there might be a chance that Toyota might use the i-CVT automatic from the JDM Corolla Axio for the new model. They'll probably change the programming of the CVT so it doesn't have the "slipping clutch" feel of conventional CVT's, and this combined with a new 2.0-liter I-4 engine could mean better fuel efficiency than the current US-market model.
  • kenymkenym Posts: 405
    It also had a base MSRP very close to $20 grand

    Precisely that is why they are called OPTIONS. My point was they are available now if you want them.

    You can't really be that naive to expect a Toyota Corolla LE, Honda Civic LE or the low end Korean entries that sell for 14 or 15K to have all that equipment as standard and still sell for 14 or 15K.

    You are correct it was a 6 speed transmission, not a 5 speed as I stated . However the XRS had the same engine as the Celeca GT and it was bigger in size and power.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "However the XRS had the same engine as the Celeca GT and it was bigger in size and power."

    Closer.

    The XRS had the complete drivetrain (engine and 6-speed transmission) from the Celica GTS. This was a 1.8l unit (with a slightly larger bore and slightly shorter stroke than the 1.8l motor in the Celica GT) which was rated at 180hp in the Celica GTS and rated at 164 hp in the Corolla XRS (due to a slightly more restrictive exhaust and different SAE testing methodology for '06 resulting in slightly lower hp numbers).

    I always thought it was an odd choice for a performance engine for the XRS. Torque wasn't much better than in other Corollas and there probably weren't too many Corolla drivers willing to keep the rpm's on the north side of 6k to actually use the additional hp. Personally, I think the 2.4l motor (base unit from the Camry) would have been better for a performance Corolla (probably also cheaper than the high strung Celica GTS drivetrain).

    Although I'm sure that Corolla XRS drivers probably thought it was cooler sharing a drivetrain with a Lotus Elise rather than a base Camry..... :shades:
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    News flash: Civic LX (not LE, there is no LE) sells at $16K with standard ABS and six airbags. Civic DX does the same at $15K, but without air conditioning.

    The new Elantra sells at $14,5 with all of that. The naive thinking would be imagining you COULDN'T have all that for $15 grand.

    And I am with you on that one, rorr, the Camry's engine would be a much better choice for an XRS engine than the old 2ZZ from the Celica GTS, and I am soooo hoping they do exactly that with the next Corolla, offered in a new XRS trim. Alas, indications seem to be there will be no sport variant, at least not at launch. I wonder if the rumors of a sport 2-door model will prove true...

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kenymkenym Posts: 405
    Went on line to price out the vehicles. www.honda.com and www.toyota.com. The Toyota Corolla S was $19,818. I paid 18k and change for our 06 S. The Civic LX with same equipment as the S was $19,510 about $300.00 less than the Corolla. I am sorry I didn't look at the Civic last year when my wife was shopping for her car. However I never considered any of the Korean vehicles when looking for her car last year. I understand they made a lot of progress with them the last couple of years but I know too many people who had them and they were nightmares.
  • mcmanusmcmanus Posts: 121
    MSRP is irrelevant (except when gas prices topped $3/gallon). Edmunds TMV or CR price reports are better guides. Last year Civics around here sold at or near MSRP, but Corollas (being older designs) were discounted.

    I prefer the Corolla shape factor (tall/narrow) for ease of access, parking, and visibility over the Civic.

    The vast majority of Corolla I see on roads in the midwest are CE or LE. If someone wants a sport coupe, they should look for a car that is built as a sport coupe from the ground up, not a rebadged body with fancy wheels and adding a discontinued engine from another . As I mentioned above, this is a problem for Toyota in general (nothing close to a truly sporty design has been offered for years) and should be dealt with beyond the scope of Corolla.

    I agree that most Americans are uncomfortable reving beyond 6,000 rpm to reach peak engine performance, especially if the engine gets noisy up there (like the current Corolla engine does).

    IMO a Corolla represents a good compromise between bottom of the barrel economy and something nice enough that you don't have buyer's remorse for going too cheap while holding on the traditional Toyota values. This has been the inherent character of the Corolla for decades and I wouldn't mess with success.

    The Koreans are quickly improving. Time will tell if their current offerings match Toyota/Honda for initial reliability. They are hungry, but like many overseas nameplates their dealership network (around here anyway) is their real weak link. Any time I've bought from a dealer where my brand is a sideline I've been treated as a second class citizen as they may only have a single (competent or not) mechanic. (Or maybe that's how domestics treat all their customers.)
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