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2009 Toyota Corolla

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  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    Does the Elantra have IRS? Because less compact cars than you might think have an independent rear these days. Sentra doesn't. I don't think Cobalt does. Not sure about Focus, and I would have to go and look all these up, but it's a rare thing. Cost-cutting in the industry continues apace...

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    So...yes? LOL!

    Yes to what? :-P

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • I was answering YOUR question from the previous post! Yes, the current generation Elantra has Independent Rear Suspension (IRS) as did the previous generation.

    One answers your question - and, you don't get it - amazing!
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    Take it easy, colloquor, I was just having a bit of light-hearted fun, that's all.

    I had a feeling that's what you meant.

    Caliber and Sentra don't. Civic does. The good thing you can say about a torsion beam rear is that it is durable (for less costs to the consumer down the line) and cheaper to put in in the first place, keeping the sticker price down.

    Obviously, performance-based merits are all on the side of the indy rear.

    Toyota shies heavily away from giving their cars even a hint of sportiness, hence the choice to continue the torsion beam.

    IMO, the thing Toyota should strive to avoid is having their compact car labelled a "cheap little appliance", an abyss they continue to skirt without quite falling into it...

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • The Caliber has IRS. You must be thinking of the 80's K-car.
    They had a torsion beam rear suspension. Also the Focus and VW Rabbit have IRS.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    No, I guess I was thinking of the Neon maybe? Did that have IRS? But I digress.

    I confirmed that Sentra and Cobalt have a torsion beam in the rear. Not exactly rarefied company for Corolla to be in for the next gen, to be sure.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    Is this the XLE's interior that we aren't getting?
    image :shades:
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    Looks like the US version will have the cheap rotary controls now found in the Yaris and Scion xB/xD bad moove.
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  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    If they really are ala Yaris, that would be a bad move. I am hoping they are of a higher quality, i.e. smoothly damped, as are the rotary controls on some other cars. I actually like the rotary setup, it's very intuitive, but not if I can hear plastic crunching as I turn them.
  • sr1945sr1945 Posts: 38
    Prior to SEMA and after looking at the photos of the possible new 09 corolla shown slightly above else where, I put down a deposit at Toyota. Really liked the looks and the new NAV system.

    SEMA came, saw the new US version of the Corolla, and immediately got my deposit refund back and bought a 08 Accord with NAV.

    Me thinks.... That Toyota does not like the US very much or are just plain stupid by giving us a dumb down corolla over some other nations. I would have jumped on the new car, but thank you toyota for waking me up to reliality that you don't care about us that much to give us something that would have been good, and replace it with another version many do not like
  • jet10000jet10000 Posts: 656
    The press room mentions leather as an available option on certain grades. I would take that to mean the XLE and XRS.

    "Additional options on select grades include JBL Audio system with AM/FM six-disc CD changer with eight speakers and Bluetooth®, Navigation system with AM/FM CD with MP3/WMA playback capability and XM® satellite radio with XM NavTraffic® capable with six speakers, leather-trimmed seats and shift knob, tilt and slide moonroof, VSC with TRAC and cut-off switch.


    Well clearly the above paragraph doesn't spell out if the leather is on more than one grade which is what you're trying to claim.

    Furthermore, if you go to:

    http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/future/corolla/index.html?s_van=GM_HOME_COROLLA_F- UTURE_IMG

    Click Explore and Learn and then click the Reveal Video, the pictures of the leather interior are grayed out for all trims except for the XRS. If other trims had leather as a option they would be highlighted as well.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    Yes. All the XLE photos show cloth seats and they always show leather in their pictures when leather is available.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    Corolla should begin to mimic Camry in its options packages. Leather can be had on the 4-cyl Camry XLE, so it should be available on Corolla XLE too. But that is something they could change easily enough during the model run.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Yes like the 4c XLE Camry the standard model has cloth. Leather, Navi are upgrades to the standard XLE.
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    I'm trying to claim anything. This is what I know from inside sources. I do work for a Toyota dealer and have contacts at the distributorship and some of the factories you know.
    Mackabee
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    "Me thinks.... That Toyota does not like the US very much or are just plain stupid by giving us a dumb down corolla over some other nations. I would have jumped on the new car, but thank you toyota for waking me up to reliality that you don't care about us that much to give us something that would have been good, and replace it with another version many do not like"

    Me agrees with you. Nav has been available in European market Corollas since 2003. You can see a picture of one in one of my Carspace albums from the Frankfurt auto show 2003. And I do think they think we are dumb. Look what they did with Lexus. They glorified Toyotas and charged premium prices for them and we bought them hook, line, and sinker. I still can't believe some Lexus owners don't know they are driving Toyotas. :confuse:

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  • jacksan1jacksan1 Posts: 504
    You've got to be careful when you compare Europe or Japan with North America when speaking about what those markets get and we do not. Remember that for various reasons, including taxes and space, with many people in those other markets the Corolla is just about the biggest vehicle that they can own. Because they cannot move up in vehicle size, they want to move up in accoutrement and are willing to pay for luxury and other special equipment. I am not sure that North Americans, especially those in the U.S., are willing to spend the premium for a small car when they can get larger cars with comparable equipment for not much more. I am not saying which approach is right. But I can also see a marketing rationale.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Til the present I'd have to say that it's not that Toyota doesn't 'like' the NADM it's that they recognize that it's we who determine what goes into the vehicle.

    Why wouldn't they put upscale options in a compact vehicle if we bought them and they could make a profit from it? It's just a business decision that we the consumers, til now, have forced on all the vehicle makers. Go to the Ford and GM sites and you'll hear the very same complaints about the Euro Focus and the Euro GM Astra vs the NADM Focus and Cobalt.

    When the vehcle makers ask us the buyers what we want in our economy cars the mmost important consideration is PRICE!!! You yourself said the same when I broached the possibility of a $23-$24K Corolla. $24000 Corolla?????????? Who's going to buy it when they can get a Camry for less?

    Europeans buy these all the time at that price. In Japan the Corolla is the primary vehicle since forever.

    Here it's basic transportation...'Take all the 'junk' out of it and just give me 4 doors, 4 wheels and rollup windows.'

    We'll see soon if a $24000 Corolla will fly here. BTW the timing couldn't be better for the debut of a new 'economy' vehicle as gas goes toward $4 and $5 by next summer.
  • sr1945sr1945 Posts: 38
    Bought a 06 EX Honda Civic sedan with Nav prior to the new 08 Accord and paid about $22,000 for it if I recall and it was a really nice ride, and interior package.

    The 09 Corolla could have been the same, with a nice interior, and nicer Nav but they decided against it. I would have purchased one and almost did with the deposit until I was disappointed with the SEMA showing over what I thought would be the interior that was shown before. What is so hard to have the same interior layout as the Europe model. Not that much of a change. Should not cost all that different by the looks of it.

    At least Toyota could have offered the upgraded interior such as those in Europe, but not so. I had a 03 Corolla and was looking forward to the long waited 09, but boy did they ever mess up and all that time for this ? Something is wrong some where at Toyota.

    I took my business elsewhere.
  • jacksan1jacksan1 Posts: 504
    On a strictly marketing perspective, there is really no incentive for Toyota to take a risk by creating a possible inventory surplus of expensive Corollas when the plain vanilla version has had no difficulties moving off the lot. If they want to pad their profits, it is far less risky to do it with the Camry or Highlander or whatever. I am personally partial to small cars with luxury. At the same time, though, I would also hesitate to complain to McDonald's when they do not offer a great sit-down meal. I may go to a different restaurant someplace else, but the last I checked, McDonald's was not having any problems unloading all those burgers.

    In the same way, you and I may go to a different make because of our tastes, but the fact remains that Toyota's Plain Vanilla keeps selling and selling.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    Who says they have to fill lots with loaded models? Just build 2 percent that way to start and they can increase later if needed. Common sense.
  • jacksan1jacksan1 Posts: 504
    Who says they have to fill lots with loaded models?

    I certainly did not. I wonder who did.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Since the '09s aren't out yet and we haven't seen the upgraded interiors I don't see how you could have made a judgement yet. In Feb we'll see. I assume like all inititial launches the first vehicles to hit the stores will be the loaded up XLEs and XRSs.
  • jet10000jet10000 Posts: 656
    there is really no incentive for Toyota to take a risk by creating a possible inventory surplus of expensive Corollas when the plain vanilla version has had no difficulties moving off the lot.

    There was really no incentive for American car companies to upgrade their passenger cars four years ago either when they were moving tons of large SUV's and light trucks off the lots with big profit margins.

    However, when the gas crunch hit, those large vehicles sat on lots causing billions of dollars in losses.

    With oil closing in on $100 per barrel there is a huge risk to companies like Toyota that want to continue to offer North Americans stripped down compact cars and not upgrade them with more features comparable with autos sold in Europe and Japan.

    Honda offers a 4 cylinder Civic with heated leather seats beginning this year. Other than Mackabee's supposed "inside" sources, there's been no official info from Toyota that the Corolla will be available with the same feature for the 4 cyl.

    Business is about forward thinking, not doing the same thing just because it's always been done that way.
  • jacksan1jacksan1 Posts: 504
    With oil closing in on $100 per barrel there is a huge risk to companies like Toyota that want to continue to offer North Americans stripped down compact cars and not upgrade them with more features comparable with autos sold in Europe and Japan.

    This theory cuts both ways. If the gas price skyrockets, people can just as well want stripped down cars that are affordable when everything else is getting expensive due to the fuel surcharge. You may be right, though.

    By the way, what is Honda forecasting for the unit output of the leather-trimmed Civic for 2008?
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Honda offers a 4 cylinder Civic with heated leather seats beginning this year. Other than Mackabee's supposed "inside" sources, there's been no official info from Toyota that the Corolla will be available with the same feature for the 4 cyl.

    Of course there was. The announcement at the SEMA release was clear, leather, Navi, JBL + Bluetooth are all going to be options. In the Canadian release they also 'imply' by their pics that SKS and Auto Climate are also options. They're being cute about it by not saying anything and keeping the chatter flowing until release.

    What's worse than someone saying something bad about your product? Nobody talking about it at all.
  • The question is not about the availability of junk or not. The question is if this supposedly all new Corolla is really new. Aside from rear disk brake and VVTI at the exhaust, this is essentially the same car that it will replace. For 18K and change, I could get a Civic with better powertrain, suspension, and safety features. My point is, Toyota has to better or at least equal the competition. Consumer nowadays are different as compared to consumers a decade ago. With the availability of information, I dont know how this inferior car can win the business of the smart consumer.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    They are options on the XRS, but it doesn't look like there will be factory installed leather on the XLE in the US right away if ever. I have never seen any automaker that had leather on a certain model that didn't picture the leather interior by default in their marketing photos.
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