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2009 Toyota Corolla

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  • Since Toyota has redesigned the Corolla engine for 2009 does anyone know if they changed from a timing chain back to a belt? I've not been able to find a 2009 maintenance schedule online that'd tell me if there is a belt to be changed at some interval.

    Thanks!
    Jim
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,668
    I don't know for a fact, but I would bet anything that it uses a timing chain, just like the old one.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,692
    a couple of '09s last night at a nearby dealership, and noticed something on one parked right next to an '08: the manual has dropped two points in fuel economy. How did this happen? My guess would be weight gain. I had been thinking it had sidestepped in fuel economy, but that is NOT the case. It has dropped.

    '08 manual: 28/37 (new ratings system)
    '09 manual: 26/35 (also the new ratings system)

    Since weight gain outstripped the power increase in the 1.8, my guess would be that they shortened the gearing a bit to keep straight-line performance the same, and of course the price you pay when you do that is fuel economy. :sick:

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Since the prior Gen9 Corolla came out in 2002 ALL 4 cyl Toyota's have had timing Chains....cars, trucks, SUVs and crossovers.

    All the new technology engines from Toyota use timing chains. Presently the only timing belt engines are ...
    ..the Solara 3.3L ( departing in Sept )
    ..the hybrid Highlander 3.3L+HSD
    ..the Tundra 4.7L V8

    Everything else has switched over already..
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,668
    Maybe they shortened the gearing to get better 0-60 times? Some automakers do that to the manuals, but Toyota in the past has not. What about the automatic mpg?

    I'd still buy the manual!!!!
  • lls57lls57 Posts: 57
    08 Corolla automatic: 26/35
    09 Corolla automatic: 27/35
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    Yes, so they can say the 2009 has improved fuel economy (as long as you don't think about the manual and 2.4 liter versions).
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    We dx'd a car from Fitzmall one time. I asked the sales person who drove the car down to us how they were paid. He told me new cars were a flat 250 per car. I'd take that any day on a new car. :)_
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Realistically the majority of Corollas will be the 1.8L 4A.
  • Just checked the 2009 corolla at Toronto Auto Show, The interior is a disappointment unless you go with the S or the XRS type. Also checked the new 2009 Sonata - Beautiful car inside and out. I have to decide If I don't get The corolla S , I will probably buy the 2009 Sonata. :confuse:
  • mcmanusmcmanus Posts: 121
    I test drove an xD and 08 Corolla back to back on Feb 13. A couple of years ago I rented a Corolla for a month and the engine is still noisy. The xD was quietier and perhaps more powerful (it had 5M and Corolla was 4A). Dealership still had nine 08's but wouldn't deal past the $1500 rebate. They also wanted $500 to install cruise on a CE. A LE without options was $16,000. The much smaller xD was $15,500. The deal breaker on the xD was the small cargo area (looked too small for a set of golf clubs).

    I walked right past a 09 Corolla without noticing. From the outside its slightly rounder/wider, has the new grill, and of course a much higher price tag.

    I went back a couple of days later and drove an xB 4A ($17,220). With low "Total Cost of Ownership", no haggle pricing, tons of room, tall seating, the well known 2.4L, many customization options, and $4000 cheaper than Corolla XLE its a no brainer.

    Yeah, I'd like the better mileage of the 1.8L, but low TCO is low TCO, my 83 year old dad can easily get in and out, and all that room talk to me.
  • roxy11roxy11 Posts: 27
    "Since weight gain outstripped the power increase in the 1.8"

    technically, yes. but barely.

    2008 corolla le (auto) 2615 lbs, 126 hp
    2009 corolla le (auto) 2745 lbs, 132 hp

    weight increase of 4.97%, hp increase of 4.76%.

    i think they did a nice job with fuel efficiency on the auto trans, but im disappointed with the manual losing pace with the 2008 numbers of 28/37.

    i expect, as has always been the case, that people who know how to effectively use the manual will still get better mileage.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    I looked at and test drove a 2008 xB, It has very small, narrow and awkward armrests that fold down from the front seats.
    Not comfortable for long drives at all.
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    Excellent choice mcmanus! Congrats. I keep telling people that Scions are the best bang for the buck vehicles out there. And who cares about a center arm rest anyway? I know that would not be a deal breaker for me. I used to have seat mounted arm rests in our first Toyota mini van and honestly they got in the way. What color xB did you get?
    Mackabee
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    Seat mounted armrests are garbage and I already said it was awkward. Poor design of the xB.
    So, instead of no armrest at all, the solution would be a larger center console armrest like a normal car.
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    Anything over invoice is a good deal right now on an 09. The Fitzmall guys get a flat commission on the cars they sell, so I wouldn't worry about him/her being nice or not. It's in their best interest to be nice to you.
    Mack
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    khdspyder, you should have come over to my store. I would have made you a deal. Professional courtesy. :)
    Mack
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,692
    Was chatting the other evening with the sales manager at one of the larger local dealers, and he said they have been told that the XRS will only be 2% of the '09 Corolla mix. Have any of the other Toyota employees here heard the same, or was that just more salesman-speak to push me into buying a car more quickly (I have no intention of buying an XRS, which I had already told him)?

    As of that evening, they had exactly ONE '08 still on the lot, a blue LE manual shift with a sticker of $16,5 that he told me before I even asked he would sell me for $14 including the rebate (I was just walking around it comparing its looks to the '09 parked next to it)

    I am glad they have done away with the bubble roof for the '09, but apart from that I can't tell which model I like the looks of better. I don't think I like EITHER better, I think it's a tie. But that's partly just because they are so similar, I suppose.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    He's correct. There won't be much demand for an XRS due to it's lofty price tag.
    Mack
  • thaipthaip Posts: 32
    I contacted one of the Fitzmall's sale's rep and he sounds very nice. However, since the price is the invoice, I really don't know how nice or nasty will he be when I decided to purchase from him? Anyone has experience with purchasing car with one of these big automall?

    The manufatur's gurantee is still intact even if you purchase a car from a different state, correct?

    my local dealer offered me a deal with $600 above the invoice, is this a good deal?

    thanks
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,728
    The warranty will be honored at any Toyota dealer in the U.S. Suppose someone were to buy a new Corolla and the next month take a job in another state. Could Toyota say, "Sorry, we won't honor your warranty because you bought the car in a different state"? Of course not.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Actually this is a very very personal question. It has a lot of personal self-valuation implied in it. Frankly to me +/- $500 is neither here nor there. I just don't care. If I want the vehicle I get it.

    For my Prius I could have gone to Mackabee's store and likely gotten it at invoice. I paid $450 over invoice at our store. It wasnt' a big deal one way or another. Fitzmall is a very very reputable company to buy from. The same is true for most large places. Very few owners are going to screw with the most valuable franchise in the automobile industry.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    Limp, weightless steering is normal for Toyotas.
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    Numb steering has always been a Toyota complaint. I hate the eps too, it's worse than the numb steering feel.
    Mack
  • beantownbeantown Posts: 228
    Anything over invoice is a good deal right now on an 09.

    You may want to rethink that statement. :)
  • 719b719b Posts: 216
    most of the questions from prospective buyers is price related and they usually buy from the lowest priced dealer. in most cases it makes sense, but not always. too few of us do any research on the dealer.
    is low pressure sales important to you? it is to me.
    is an excellent service department important? it is to me.
    is having a loaner available important? it is to me.
    is courtesy after the sale as important as before the sale? it is to me.
    if i can find all the above in a dealer, i can care less about a few hundred dollars difference in the initial cost of my vehicle.
    all it takes is one bad dealer experience after the sale to make the few hundred you saved, unimportant.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    I could have sworn the Edmunds.com initial review stated XRS would run at 5% of proudction, pretty much the same, but above 2%.

    Car and Driver has a short-take review of the Corolla Standard with stability control. Their 0-60 with the 5M was 8.6 seconds, about a half second behind the previous generation. They said the vehicle's major drawback was the electric power steering, which offers no feel, but they were also disappointed at the 70-0 stop at 194 feet, (which seems in-line with other competing makes and models). It should also be noted that braking has as much to do with tire choice as anything else, and the Standard wears only 15-inch tires, whereas the S, XLE wear 16 (optional on LEs), and the XRS wears 17-inch tires.

    Overall though, the review was fairly positive, and the reviewer states interior quality and fuel economy are both impressive.
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    Why? Sales are slow, the last week of the month is here, and most dealerships have not hit their sales objectives so now is a great time to buy a new Corolla or any other new car.
    ;)
    Mack
  • beantownbeantown Posts: 228
    Read your sentence again. You say that anything over invoice is a good deal.

    Technically, $30K is over invoice. Is that a "good deal" on a Corolla?
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    I think he meant anything over invoice was a good deal for the dealer.
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