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2009 Toyota Corolla

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  • lls57lls57 Posts: 57
    I've got just over 1,000 miles on my 09 Corolla, mostly city (suburb) driving. I'm getting 32 mpg (calculated) so far, so I'm pleased.
  • thaipthaip Posts: 32
    I just picked up my Corolla LE on Sunday. I drove for 250 miles and I only needed like over a little bit of 7 gallons. That is approx 36 miles per gallon. I am happy with it on the first trip out of the dealer.

    Normally, the mpg will improve after like 1000 miles on the car. That was exactly what happened to my 07 Camry Hybrid. Therefore, I hope it will do the same for my Corolla?
  • thaipthaip Posts: 32
    The one thing I don't like about the 09 Corolla is its brakes. When you are braking it, it feels like you have to press it all the way down to the floor! What is up with that Corolla? Anyway, overall, I love my corolla LE

    Second, if you purchased your car from other state with a temp tag and when you go to register it in your own state, which milage will the DMV record for your title? Is it the number of miles stated on the bill of sale or the actual milage on the Odommeter?

    thanks
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,668
    Miles on bill of sale. I have done the same thing.
  • thaipthaip Posts: 32
    thanks mcdawqq

    that what I thought also, but just want to be sure. Logically speaking, it should be the miles on the bill of sale. You could say that your car got shipped over:):).
  • thaipthaip Posts: 32
    thanks,

    did you have to wait something call the "certificate of origin" or the title that send to you from the dealer before you can go to the DMV to do your registration? If you did, then how long does your dealer take to send out the certificate of origin to you? My was fritzmall and they said that it going to take 10 to 14 days.
  • cz75cz75 Posts: 210
    They may be beating it in sales, but every comparison of the old Corolla and the current or even the last gen Civic, pretty much put it last or nearly last with regard to its driving dynamics. Persons buying the Corolla probably view driving as a chore and buy cars like appliances.

    I should also note, as others have, that Toyota has a much larger fleet presence than Honda, which I can attest to, seeing businesses and rental companies use the Corolla. Conversely, my local commuter airport uses the Civic as a security car, which may be the first Civic I've ever seen in commercial use (I do see Elements used for delivery vehicles). This tells me that there may be more people who, when spending their own money choose the Civic. Ford, with the Taurus, was for years America's best selling car, and that surely wasn't because it was the best car or that more people choose it for a POV - it was all about how many rental companies, businesses, and government agencies bought a domestic vehicle for fleet use.

    I'm not trying to be too critical of the Corolla and think it would be a good vehicle if they dropped the price a couple thousand and/or put some more feature content into it. Toyota has for years traded off its name and its perceived reliability advantage, but I'm not even sure that exists anymore, with the faults Toyota has been having with its vehicles for the past five or so years. Honda is now pretty much confirmed to build a better car if Consumer Reports is to be believed and I wonder what that will spell for Toyota's small car sales dominance, even among appliance buyers.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    I'd modify your evaluation in saying that the quality of the content of some of the features could be improved ( but again at what price ).

    However the actual content is far far far superior to any other Corolla ever put on the road here in the US. So that can't be a serious issue. There is no comparison between this Gen and any going before it. This one wins hands down.

    As to pricing. You suggest a price reduction of a 'couple of thousand'. HUH? It has as much or more than any of the other basic econo-cars and all of them are priced within $600 of each other ( link here )....excluding the Elantra for the time being. Why in the world would the vehicle with the most content and best fuel economy be priced $2000 lower than the others? Reality Check time here.

    One other HUGE factor that we 'know' but don't 'see', but which the vehicle makers know and see is that this subsegment of the market is on the verge of going through the roof. We 'know' that fuel is getting really expensive, we sense it every day. But beyond that it doesn't mean much...unless you're in the vehicle making / selling business and a HUGE tsunami of buyers is about to hit. With $4 fuel are buyers going to buy Tahoes and Sequoias or Prius' and Corollas ( and Civics, 3s, Elantras, Focuses, Sentras, Versas, Yaris', etc etc etc )? All these models should benefit handsomely.

    From direct experience buyers coming out of $38000 SUVs wanting a more efficient vehicle that gets better than 100% improvement in fuel economy are not going to quibble over $200 or $400 one way or another. That amount is meaningless.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    However the actual content is far far far superior to any other Corolla ever put on the road here in the US. So that can't be a serious issue.

    I have to disagree with that as a general statement. IMO the interior of the last gen Corolla was superior to that of the 2009 model. In terms of powertrain, I don't see any big advantage that the 2009 1.8L has over the 2008 powertrain except for a few more ponies, which are used up by the extra weight. The 2009 does have more standard safety features (finally!) and some options the 2008 didn't have such as Bluetooth and factory nav, but as you like to say, at what cost?

    Why in the world would the vehicle with the most content and best fuel economy be priced $2000 lower than the others?

    Most content? Hardly. "Best" fuel economy? Not quite. Tied in city mpg with the Versa (at a considerably lower price) and bested in highway mpg by the Civic. But as you say, the Corolla will probably sell in big numbers if only because of its high fuel economy--coupled with the Toyota logo on the trunk.
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,668
    Yes, I had to wait about 10 days for mine before I could go to the BMV.
  • cubssoxscubssoxs Posts: 139
    Does anyone know why Toyota put such a cheap interior on the new corolla. I mean come on you are spending so much money for a car and they give you that hard plastic interior. The previous gen corollas had that soft plastic stuff that was not hard. I mean it seems that Toyota is pinching pennies.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    Toyota is a very profitable company. They also have smart marketing people who I'm sure have figured out that enough people will buy Corollas no matter what the interior quality is like, because it's reliable and has excellent fuel economy. Plus they can sell tons of them to the Hertzes of the world if the public sales aren't high enough to suit them.

    As long as so many people buy Corollas no matter how cheap the interior materials are, we deserve whatever we get.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    You're talking about touchy feely things again and that's not content. It's maybe the quality of the content. This Corolla so far outpaces the prior Gens that it's not even close. The last Gen was very good. This one is better
    6 airbags standard ..iso 2
    Plus...
    Active head restraints
    AUX input
    Tilt and telescoping SW
    More comfortable seating
    Smoother quieter engine
    Better fuel economy
    More room inside
    Larger trunk.
    Then...
    There's all the additonal features that could be added that were never available on any Corolla in the past.

    All your efforts to minimize the current Gen just are not going to hold up under scrutiny ..except maybe...maybe... the touchy feelie aspect. Give it a rest.

    The Elantra and Sonata are good vehicles too. The Corolla will succeed despite your protestations.

    BTW from www.fueleconomy.gov
    Versa CVT 27 / 33 / 29
    Versa 4AT 24 / 32 / 27
    Corolla 4AT 27 / 35 / 30? It remains the leader
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    As noted several times previously.. it appears to be a decision of content over the touchy feelie aspect.

    The added content also puts the others in the class under pressure to keep up and maintain profitability. That's not an easy task for any of the manufacturers. Luckily Toyota and Honda have huge volumes but not so much the others.

    The 2009 Corolla is only a few hundred dollars more than the rest of the competing 2008's now being sold but it has more features with some exceptions. Now the rest of the pack has to somehow find a way to add the additional features and keep the pricing in line and keep profitability up.....and try to stay within striking distance of the Corolla in fuel economy.

    Then there's Quality, Dependability and Reliability that the others need to overcome. There are literally millions of deeply satisfied Corolla / former Corolla owners out there for whom this current model is superior to any Corolla they've ever owned.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    Things I can touch and feel are, to me, content.

    I see you are looking at FE differently now though. Yesterday you touted the city and highway EPA figures of the Corolla and declared it the FE leader. Since that turns out not to be true, you're looking at the composite FE number--which to my knowledge isn't published for the Corolla yet. At best it's 1-2 mpg better than several other cars in its class. But it's a new design, the newest in the class, with an all-new engine. And the best it could do is 2 mpg more than a tired old iron-block engine from one competitor, and 1 mpg better than the more powerful engine in the Civic. And that's the new Corolla's BEST feature. :surprise:

    Lest you think I am trying to "minimize the current Gen" Corolla, that's not it at all. I am trying to bring some reality into these discussions, so that we don't just hear from people like you who make their living selling Corollas and other Toyotas. If you think my opinions are extreme, go take a look at third-party reviews, like the one that was posted here the other day. You'll see some common themes.

    The added content also puts the others in the class under pressure to keep up and maintain profitability.

    More like the other way around, isn't it? It's clear that adding more features and maintaining profitability was a strain on Toyota, otherwise I expect we'd see a much nicer interior, maybe an independent rear suspension, maybe a 5AT and a few other things offered by its competitors. It's not like the Corolla was a leader in adding features like 6 airbags, active head restraints, standard ABS, larger interior (but not close to being the largest in its class, and still with a tight back seat), aux input, telescopic steering wheel, a smooth / quiet / fuel efficient engine, and even features like Bluetooth and nav. Corolla is playing catch-up in all those areas. But is still behind others in the class in availability of ESC, interior room, interior quality, driving position, handling, braking, powertrain (power, transmission), and features for the dollar. So it's not just the "touchy feelie" aspect.

    I know that you'd prefer that everyone get in line and sing the praises of the new Corolla without a discouraging word (skies are not cloudy all day and all that), as you do, but for those of us who don't sell Corollas for a living, including the automotive press, that's hard to do in the cold light of day.
  • I'm missing something about the hard plastics thing. Exactly how does the hardness or softness of plastics have anything to do with value? It seems to me like a bit of a style bias. Hard plastics could as easily be called edgy or modern.

    I did notice that the armrest was a little tough, but getting back into my 15-year-old Camry with the armrest with the rip in it from my elbow it occurs to me that making the armrest of sturdier stuff might not be a bad idea in a car that I plan to drive 15 years / 250k+ miles.

    Maybe I just don't get it. :confuse:
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    A hard plastic armrest that hurts your arm after a few hours is worse than a soft armrest that has a rip after 15 years. You can always fix the torn fabric.

    I don't care much about the top of the dash and door panels, but parts you need to touch and lean on should be padded.

    Hard plastic dash and door pieces are also much more likely to rattle and buzz down the road,
  • waltchanwaltchan Posts: 123
    It's no wonder why my 2009 Corolla LE rattles like crazy in the inside. See "2009 Toyota Corolla Problems and Repairs" thread.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    I see this hard surface interior becoming more the norm as required/demanded features take precedence. The hard surfaces are all over my Prius as opposed to the prior 4 Camry's I had but actually I like the seating of the Prius much much more than the Camry's. The hard surface armrests cloth-over-plastic in the Prius aren't that much of a issue but the seating improvement is a huge benefit. I'll take the trade off.

    I recognize that it's personal but the Prius just fits better...and at 35,000 mi annually it's important. That's why I don't put that much consideration to the 'hard surface' arguments. I want content plus back/butt comfort.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    I think you've missed the point some of us are trying to make: it's not just about a surface being hard. That in itself is not a problem, if the surface is infrequently if ever touched and if it looks good. The problem comes when the hard surfaces are frequently touched (e.g. armrests, tops of door panels) and/or they look or feel cheap, more like tupperware. I understand that you and others may not mind driving in a car every day that has hard surfaces that are touched often and/or look like they came out of one of those toys from my childhood that made things from melted plastic sheets. But since there are cars in this class that don't have this problem, I am not willing to deal with it over the many years I'll own the car.

    A corollary to the hard surfaces issue are controls that look and/or feel cheap. Again, that may not be an issue for you or others. But since smooth, rich-feeling controls, e.g. HVAC dials or buttons, are now the norm in this class, it too is not something I am willing to deal with.

    I want content plus back/butt comfort too. I have it in my current compact car, which was designed in the 1990s and built in 2003, and I don't see any reason not to expect it in my next car.
  • roxy11roxy11 Posts: 27
    "Yesterday you touted the city and highway EPA figures of the Corolla and declared it the FE leader. Since that turns out not to be true"

    backy, you cant turn the versa and civic into one car to beat the corollas mpg numbers. the corolla beats the versa since they are tied in city and corolla beats it on hwy. the corolla is 2 mpg better than civic in city but only 1 less on hwy, so in my view that would favor the corolla.

    there is no such car in the class that ties the corolla in city (versa ) and beats the corolla on highway (civic)

    so, in backy's world, the corolla is not the leader in fuel efficiency. the fuel efficiency leader is:

    the VERVIC
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    No, actually it's the Civsa. ;)

    If you look at the composite EPA ratings, assuming it's 30 for the Corolla 1.8 AT (do we really know yet?), then the Corolla edges out the Civic by 1 mpg there and some others such as Focus, Elantra, and Sentra by 2 mpg (and I noted that earlier). It gets dicier though when you say, as kdhspyder originally did, that the Corolla is the fuel economy champ because it gets 27 in the city and 35 on the highway. Then it depends on whether city or highway driving is more important to you. If you drive more on the highway than the city, then that would favor the Civic, and the converse would favor the Corolla.

    Fuel efficiency is clearly a strength of the Corolla, I don't think anyone disputes that. Does it have enough of an advantage there to outweigh its shortcomings? Everyone has to make his/her own decision on that one.
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,668
    . And the best it could do is 2 mpg more than a tired old iron-block engine from one competitor, and 1 mpg better than the more powerful engine in the Civic. And that's the new Corolla's BEST feature

    What are the torque ratings? You cannot just look at horsepower.

    For now, the new Corolla has either class-leading fuel economy or maybe it is a draw. I say for now because the new Valvematic engine designs from Toyota are coming very soon. So even if the new Corolla just ties the other efficiency leaders, you can bet that in a few years Toyota can drop one of these new engines in and either beat or tie any other manufacturers' newest models. Just a thought...
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    That would be great if in a few years Toyota can give us new engines that significantly boost fuel economy on the Corolla. But you can bet other manufacturers won't be sitting still either. For example, maybe we'll see VW's TSI engines here in the next few years. And Honda is no slouch in fuel economy either.

    Another thought... Toyota had six years to develop the new 1.8L engine that went into the 2009 Corolla. But, what is its fuel economy compared to that of the 2003-8 Corolla? Just 1 mpg better in the city, and the same on the highway. There's a little more weight on the 2009 Corolla vs. 2008, but... 1 mpg in six years? Then there's the issue of cost. Maybe the Valvematic won't make it into the Corolla in the U.S. because Toyota's accountants will figure out it will take some of their profits away.

    Re torque, since you asked:

    2009 Corolla 1.8L: 132 hp, 128 lb-ft torque
    2008 Civic 1.8L: 140 hp, 128 lb-ft torque
    2008 Elantra (with the ancient iron-block engine): 138 hp, 136 lb-ft torque
  • bob191bob191 Posts: 14
    I am thinking to install AutoPage FA-110 Alarm System to my new Corolla Sport 2009. This system Add-on Security to factory Keyless Entry.

    Does anybody have experience with this alarm and if so, would you recommend it.
  • Lest you think I am trying to "minimize the current Gen" Corolla, that's not it at all. I am trying to bring some reality into these discussions, so that we don't just hear from people like you who make their living selling Corollas and other Toyotas :sick:

    backy anybody who has been on this forum more than once knows your feelings about Toyota. You have the worst case of " beating a dead horse syndrome" I have ever seen. :P

    By the way I am retired from Ford and never worked for Toyota.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    What is dead about it? Did Toyota release a new version of the 2009 Corolla recently that corrects the faults that have been widely reported about it? If so, I didn't hear about it.

    Would posts that continually talk about how perfect the new Corolla is and note that its faults aren't relevant also constitute "beating a dead horse"?

    Would continually berating posters who happen to have a not-all-positive view of the 2009 Corolla constitute "beating a dead horse"?

    In case you haven't noticed (maybe because you're too busy jumping on people who are actually discussing the Corolla vs. contributing to the discussion?), I've said many positive things about the new Corolla here, multiple times. I've talked about its quiet ride, its improved driving position, its roomier interior, its large trunk, its fuel economy, the availability of upscale features like Bluetooth and nav, and its improved standard safety features. Maybe I should stop talking about those positive aspects of the Corolla, though, before someone tells me I am beating a dead horse. :confuse:
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    "backy anybody who has been on this forum more than once knows your feelings about Toyota. You have the worst case of " beating a dead horse syndrome" I have ever seen."

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    Amen, brother!
  • jilliewjilliew Posts: 48
    Great Graphic!!!!! I snagged it, hope you don't mind. :D
  • kenymkenym Posts: 405
    How do you apply graphics like that to the forum? :shades:
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