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2009 Toyota Corolla

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  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,697
    It might be too late now, depending on the terms of the agreement you signed, but anyway... when you want a car that is not yet at the dealer, make sure the agreement you sign has a clause that says something to the effect that your final acceptance of the car is contingent on your inspection and test drive of that car when it arrives. Then if there is anything amiss, e.g. damage in transit or maybe some crappy tires that you just can't stand ;) you have the right to reject the car and get your deposit back. (Of course, the dealer can offer to do something to make the car acceptable to you--whatever that might be.) The other suggestion is, for any deposit you make on the car, put it on a credit card. That way if there is any dispute about the delivery of the car, you can have the credit card company investigate it on your behalf. And in my experience, some dealers don't even run the credit card when the deposit is on a card, so you aren't out any money until you actually take delivery.

    If the dealer won't do a direct swap of the tires (e.g. maybe they don't have the ones you want in stock), maybe you could ask them what kind of credit they would give you for the four Turanza OEM tires. Then you could go out and get the replacement tires yourself at a tire shop (probably at a much lower price than what the dealer would charge for them), get the credit for the OEM tires from the dealer, and if you ask real nice maybe they'd put the new tires on for you at delivery. And if that doesn't work, you could go to a tire shop and ask them what kind of trade in they'd give you for four Turanza EL 400s with a handful of miles on them.
  • bob191bob191 Posts: 14
    Thanks a lot backy for your helpful advice.
    bob.
  • raychuang00raychuang00 Posts: 541
    Its kinda funny because about 1year ago (Message 831), I predicted Toyota would use the 2.4.

    That's why I'm disappointed that Toyota didn't offer the 3ZR-FAE Valvematic engine rated at around 155 bhp on the new Corolla models in the USA. With this engine and a new 5AT transmission, the new Corolla could have been a SERIOUS contender against the Honda Civic EX sedan.
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    Serious contender? Heck, the Corolla outsell the Civic. So who is the contender?
    Mack
  • bob191bob191 Posts: 14
    what do you think of BRIDGESTONE TURANZA EL 400. All info I have is from Tire rack.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,697
    I have no idea. What did the dealer say about swapping them out for a different tire?
  • bob191bob191 Posts: 14
    I haven't heared from the general manager yet, but the salesperson in regards to the type of tires used on the Sport model just roll me back to Toyota main office and "advised" me to discuss my concerns with the product that came from the factory. For upgrading they will charge $140.00/each.

    He is not sure how that would be handled and advised talk to the Parts/Service manager or sell OEM tires on- line. Actually, I would call it upgrading in quality, but not in price. According to my servey Turanza EL 400 cost $10.00 more than Michellin Primacy MXV4 and $23.00 more than Michelin Harmony/each. Today I sent e-mail to the General Manager and waiting for his responce.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,697
    You might start checking on Plan B (or was it C), that is, talk to tire shops in your area such as Discount Tire and see what kind of trade-in they would give you for nearly brand-new tires. Since there is little difference in price, that would be a lot cheaper than what the Toyota dealer would charge you.
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    Bob, you might have to call 1-800-gotoyota and file a case. Just tell them all you want is better tires than the ones on the car. They will call the dealership's customer relations manager and they will take care of it. It shouldn't get to that point if you bought the car from a good dealership. The salesperson should have taken care of this already. Maybe he's afraid of the general manager.
    \Mack.
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    I have to give credit to jaxs and backy. I sold a Hyundai Santa Fe today since we also have a Hyundai dealership and I can cross sell. I took one of previous customers there as the new Highlander is too big for her. She wanted something comparable in size to her old Highlander. I suggested the RAV4 but she thought it was too small. She told me she wanted to look at a few other cars and I asked which ones? So when she said the Santa Fe and Veracruz I offered to take her to our Hyndai store to take a look and a test drive. We were there for quite sometime as she couldn't make up her mind between either one. While I was there I checked out their line of cars and I came away very impressed. Toyota better wake up to the quality issues or Hyundai will be eating their lunch.
    I looked at the Elantra and was amazed at all the options and standard equipment you get for thousands less than the Corolla.
    I drove a Sonata today to go back to the Toyota store and it felt like a cross between an Accord and a Camry but with better interior materials. The engine was not as smooth as the Camry but I could live with it.
    The Veracruz blew me away! Double stitching on the leather seats, vents all the way around for passengers, etc,
    The Santa Fe also impressed me and I would probably take either of those two over a RAV4 or Highlander.
    The prices blew me away also and they have some pretty hefty rebates to go along.
    I ended up selling her a Santa Fe which was $31,919 or so less the discount and less rebate came out to $27,400.00 plus ttl. She could have had the Veracruz for $77 more. I would have taken the Veracruz. They were both 07 models but since she's keeping the vehicle until the wheels fall off she was very happy with it. If this keeps up I might be selling Hyundai vehicles soon.
    Mack
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,697
    I appreciate your forthrightness. Now maybe you can understand my disappointment with some aspects of the new Corolla. And why I believe that Toyota will get away with their de-contenting for awhile, but eventually more buyers (like the lady you sold the Santa Fe to) will see that there are other alternatives out there. It's a tough market out there. Fuel economy and reliability are a strong combination, but not unique.
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Posts: 992
    So what if it outsells? It still not a better overall car than the civic. The corolla is cheap but it has MANY really cheap pieces that I don't like on it.

    Personally, both are great cars but neither would get my money.
    -Cj
  • sandman46sandman46 Posts: 1,798
    Has this problem been addressed on the Corolla and the Camry yet? We've had 2 Camry's & 2 Corolla's with these horrible mushy brakes with too much dead pedal that actually drove us away from the Toyota brand. A shame too as we really liked the cars but hated the brakes.
    Has this problem ever been corrected yet?

    The Sandman :confuse:
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    It's only a problem if you think it's a problem. I've had 4 Camrys and 2 Corollas and the brakes "mushiness" doesn't bother me a bit.
    Mack
  • sandman46sandman46 Posts: 1,798
    Your answer makes no sense...only a problem if I think it's a problem. Our Nissan's didn't have that problem, nor do our current Honda or Mazda. Even our GM products from the '70's and '80's didn't have mushy brakes.
    With an answer like that, I doubt we'll be looking at the Corolla when we need to buy two cars within the next year. And people let you get away with answers like that? Sheesh!

    The Sandman :confuse:
  • jacksan1jacksan1 Posts: 504
    I think the question really is: Does the car stop within a reasonable distance despite the mush feel? My Subaru Forester has a pretty mushy brake feel if compared to a lot of other cars, but the thing stops just fine. So I think that where I would focus my attention.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    Also...while most car mags note the mushy feel of the brakes in Toyotas, they go on to say something like "despite the mushiness, the car had a surprisingly short stopping distance, besting all the other cars in the comparo", LOL.

    The feel of the pedal in Toyotas may suck, but it's usually Honda, believe it or not, with the worst stopping distances.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • I doubt we'll be looking at the Corolla when we need to buy two cars within the next year. And people let you get away with answers like that? Sheesh!

    Dumbest post I have seen on this forum He's a Salesmen Dude! Not a spokesperson or a engineer for Toyota
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    Being a salesman has nothing to do with it Dude! I own three Camrys right now and one before that was totalled. The brakes on most Toyotas are "mushy" but they do the job better than other brands. It is not a defect or problem. You just have to get used to them like everything else.
    Mack :blush:
  • sandman46sandman46 Posts: 1,798
    I know he's a salesman dude! He usually has good product knowledge and was looking for something positive about Toyota brakes. He knows a lot and really looking for positive info before I put my kids in a car I wouldn't drive myself. I go by pedal feel dude, and all our recent cars have had better pedal feel with better stopping power...that's all I care about when I put my loved ones in a car.
    Why on earth has Edmunds gotten so nasty lately...never was this way in the old days. But I guess the internet lets jerky folks say stuff that most won't say face to face. Unbelievable!
    Guess it's definitely time to look else where for a nicer exchange of ideas.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Let's dispense with the personal comments. You don't have to like everything everyone posts, but there is no need to take anything or make anything personal.
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,667
    Completely agree - it is not the feel, it is the actual stopping distance that counts.
  • cz75cz75 Posts: 210
    No reality check required - the Corolla XRS needs to lose $2000 on price when compared to a Civic Si. They aren't even in the same league. A loaded Mazda3 is more in line with what the Corolla has to offer and it should still be cheaper despite having more content. A Corolla XLE is also notably inferior in features to a Civic EX, yet costs more money for similar content (around $500) and still comes with rear drums and a non-independent rear suspension and less power and only a four speed auto, with the only advantage being optional traction and stability control.
  • cz75cz75 Posts: 210
    The latest issue of Car and Driver seems to indicate stopping distance is inferior too.
  • cz75cz75 Posts: 210
    Toyota usually does better with their brakes than Honda, except on the Corolla, which has for as long as I can remember had the worst, or nearly so, stopping distances in its class. One year, it was the had the worst brakes of any vehicle tested in Road & Track, worse even than most SUVs, but that had to be at least 5 years ago. You can usually blame Honda's poor braking on the tires offered.
  • cz75cz75 Posts: 210
    And also what are the final drive ratios? You can't just look at torque.

    Honda is ready with A-VTEC when Toyota comes out with Valvematic, but odds are good Honda will offer theirs first.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    The XRS is NOT a competitor to the Si. Thus the price difference between the two doesn't matter one single whit. The XRS supports the Camry line..nothing else. It's not a boy-racer vehicle, the Si and Mazda3 have that small segment all to themselves.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    After reading the 8-car comparo in my latest issue of C&D, I see that you are right on the money: Corolla is almost LAST in braking, with a dismal 193 feet needed to stop from 70 mph. The only car in the whole test that is worse in braking is the new Focus.

    Substantially BETTER than Corolla in braking are Rabbit, SX4 Sport, Toyota Corp's own Scion xD, Astra XR, and Lancer GTS, with the xD leading the pack. It also has the weight advantage in this group, which I am sure contributes to its great braking.

    Unfortunately, after falling to third in a previous comparo, the Civic was not included in the group. I bet it would have had crappy braking performance too.

    Apart from that, the Corolla got pretty good overall marks in the test, ranking third and almost tied for second with the new Impreza. And it did lead the group in fuel economy, using 14% less gas than the group average. The reviewers REALLY disliked the xD and the Focus.

    Edit....just looked up the Civic's braking performance on C&D's website, and it is as I thought - crappy. 191 feet, very similar to the Corolla's results in this month's comparo.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Nippon - note, too, that braking distance can easily be affected by tire choice.

    I thought the C/D comparison was an interesting one, though its obvious that comparable trim levels are becoming increasingly difficult for the magazines to find in the Press Fleets of the manufacturers, as evidenced by this very basic Corolla Standard entry.

    I think perhaps a more appropriate competitor (features-wise, I recognize there are no engine or suspension differences) would have been a Corolla S 5MT with VSC, which would have offered 16-inch wheels and tires, and I wonder how that would have impacted braking distance and adhesion measures. I don't think a Corolla S would have changed the vehicle's 3rd of 8 ranking, overall, I'm just interested on how tires affect these two items.

    Also, it will be interesting to see the braking distances of the Corolla LE 4A that Consumer Reports is currently testing.

    http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/new-cars/news/2008/04/2009-toyota-coroll- - a-first-drive-4-08/overview/toyota-corolla-first-drive.htm

    just $.02
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    Yes absolutely, tire choice is a big part of it, but of course most car buyers are not going to want to immediately go out and replace brand new tires with a better brand or bigger tire. Which means that for at least 40K miles or so, you will be stuck with that crappy braking the article mentioned.

    I, like you, took note of the fact that the Corolla was one of the cheapest cars in the test, in large part because they had gotten a stripped base model rather than higher-trim versions as they had with most of the other models in the test.

    The Civic I mentioned that needed 191 feet to stop from 70 was the LX, so it has the larger 205 mm tires that upper-trim Civics (excepting SI) have. While the wider tires of a Corolla S may have improved stopping distances for the current C&D comparo, its value quotient would have dropped in the rankings due to higher price with little in the way of additional substantive equipment, and of course plenty of people in the real world will have to live with the smaller tires of the lesser-trim Corollas. It is worth mentioning that if you're not buying a hybrid or a Lexus, the factory tires on brand new Toyotas these days are getting cheaper and cheaper, another cost-cutting move that is beginning to stand out.

    I would say that given the prices of the '09s, the only ones that are a good value are the stripped models. I do remember thinking that for $16K sticker (and therefore $14-15K real world price before too much longer, if not already), it was decently equipped given the standard safety equipment. The $20K XLEs and S's, by contrast, seem less of a bargain - very little beyond plastic tack-ons is added for the price, cruise is still optional all the way up the range, as is keyless entry in some cases, and the 1.8 auto is still a 4-speed. For a sticker of $20K, there are way better options.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

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