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2009 Toyota Corolla

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  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    I 'recognize' what you are describing but since I also have it on my Prius I also recognize that it's just an adjustment that needs to be acquired. Why 'needs'? EPS is the future. It is simpler and lighter and IMO now a more precise system than the prior hydraulic system.

    It does take a little to become accustomed to it because as a DBW system any small twitch or movement sends a signal to the steering actuators to make a movement. There is no 'play' in the system.

    OTOH on an open road I've tried driving up to a quarter of a mile with no hands on the wheel to see how the Prius tracks. With no outside intervention it's dead straight.
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    Had the car been PDI'd (PRE DELIVERY INSPECTED) sorry for the caps. I'm not screaming. and did it also have VSC? The cars with VSC that have not been pdi'd feel very strange. At low speeds the steering is very loose. Haven't tried one at high speed since we don't test drive on the road if a car has not been pdi"d.
    Mack
  • veldevelde Posts: 17
    I did phone the Toyota service department yesterday, where I test drove the car, asking if the steering could be adjusted. I was told there was no adjustment that they could make.
    But Mackabee makes an excellent point. It did have VSC on the car. I'm handing this down to my daughter so I wanted that feature. You think that's my problem?! It's either that or the Civic EX. I test drove that and it had Electric Steering - no problem, I was waiting for the 2009 to come out with the rumored VSC and Traction control. Now I'm wondering if that will generate the same issues in the Civic
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,694
    Why would the VSC settings affect the steering? I thought VSC works through the braking system, not steering. So, on the Corolla, VSC actually corrects the steering? Very interesting!

    BTW, many cars today have electronic steering. But not all have a problem with steering feel. But it is actually fairly easy to correct, since it is electronic. I remember reading about a review of the then-new 2007 Elantra by the Australian press. They blasted it for lack of steering feel. Some Hyundai engineers flew in and made some adjustments that greatly improved the steering, and they supposedly applied those changes across the board. So if this kind of tweaking is possible on the Corolla, it may not be something a dealer can do, but may be relatively easy for Toyota to make an ongoing change (maybe even apply it retroactively through a TSB) if they get enough complaints about it.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    I don't think the Corolla links the EPS to the VSC/TRAC/ABS system but it does do so in the Lexus models and the Hybrid HH and TCH. In Toyota's alphabet soup it's called VDIM.

    Essentially in an out-of-control situation the EPS limits the ability to turn in the wrong direction exacerbating a skid and assists in turning into the skid to minimize it. It can only be done on vehicles with EPS/VSC/ABS.
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    Drive one with VSC that has not been pdi'd and one that has and you'll feel the difference. Try it on a RAV4 also, that one is more noticeable on a non pdi'd one. It may not have anything to do with the vsc, I just noticed the different feel on the steering on cars with vsc that had not been pdi'd.
    Mack
  • howardm1howardm1 Posts: 3
    Hi all; useful reading. thanks.

    Just picked up an LE w/VSC, pref pack (bumper protector, mats) yest. Test drove it and Prius but decided to use diff for son's college tuition instead :-) Dealer had 4 LEs with VSC, if I remember right, when I chose a red one.

    Live in Central NJ and bought from a dealer here who reported they've stopped discounting since I bought (?); and that they are almost sold out of Corollas and 4 cyl. Camrys. I've had two Corollas before, a 2 dr 1980 and a five door hatch (1988 I think).

    My impressions after 50 miles on backroads to and from work: I like the pick up--not great but better than I expected; see what people are saying about steering, but feels like it just takes getting used to as others said. Fit and finish seem OK--don't like the center dash (black) texture--while they wipe off, appearance changes w/any contact. Radio seems easy to use though sound on basic stereo (4 spkrs) not so good; better playing my iPod, which has been adjusted, tone wise.

    I LOVE how quiet it is; I passed a 98 Camry onto my son, and maybe it's just age of car, but feels much quieter...Mileage, if the seven in one display is believed, was 32 on my first run to work.

    Two beefs: why did Toyota get rid of the handy sunglasses holders (my Camry and 02 Sienna had them--2 on the Sienna--and I love them!).

    Second, why/when did Toyota drop the visor extenders?

    Third nitpick: the hook in the front right for a bag seems too low to the floor to do any good.

    Fourth/final: 30 bucks for a spare key? Might be less, salesman said he'd get me one at cost? I know it's got the chip in it for the passive security sys...

    So, overall, these nits aside, it seems very nice and comfortable; have to learn the 'pump' for the driver seat, but I have a bad back and the seat is nice so far (we'll see after I take a longer trip...). The quiet and gas mileage made the sale for me.

    A neighbor just downgraded from an Explorer to a Subaru Impreza--nice looking, and AWD is nice, but 22 MPG? I'm :) with my 32plus.

    HR
  • harvey44harvey44 Posts: 178
    I'm curoius...how long is the wait for a Prius in central NJ?
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    Probably the same as the rest of the country. Automotive news reports there is a shortage of battery packs. Nissan and Ford are also feeling the pinch. You may get lucky and someone that has one on hold and decides not to buy could be yours. You just have to be at the right place at the right time. We had one available on Saturday and you should have seen the feeding frenzy amongst the sales people. I sold it twice in two days. Saturday a guy that had been calling me since February happened to call me and I told him to hurry as it could be sold before he got there. This guy is a monument to indecision. His wife was along and even she got pissed at him for wasting our time. He drove the Prius, Yaris, and Scion xD and finally his wife talked him into buying the Prius. By the time it was all said and done the prep guys had gone home and no one to clean and wash the car. So he decides they will pick it up Sunday or Monday. Sunday he calls me after I called him since he was supposed to call me at 10 am and never did. He tells me he's not getting the car after all. I said ,ok. I have a plan b.
    That saturday while I was waiting for him to come in and the car to be inspected another customer asked me about the Prius.; I told him I was waiting for a customer to come by and buy it. After they came in and he saw what was going on I went and told him the car might be sold. He gave me his name and number and asked to be called if the deal fell through. I called him sunday and we met at the store at 12 noon. I went through the whole process with him also only to have the wife in Fl nix the deal. So I wasted 2 hours of my time on Sunday, 3 and a half on Saturday and have nothing to show for it.
    ?
    Mck
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    Congrats on the new LE! :)
    A couple of suggies; try adjusting the tone control on the radio to tailor the sound to your liking. Just push the "Tune" button and the bass, treble, balance, and fader adjustments come up. I've found the sound system to sound quite good. The JBL upgrade is even better.

    Corolla never had sunglass holders.

    The sun visor extenders were dropped on the Camry in 2002 .

    The hook on the right side of the front is for ladies purses.

    As far as the key is concerned, if you are getting the key with the remote features it will be more than 30 dollars. The non remote with the chip only key is more than 30 dollars as it has to be programmed to the car as the key with remote functions.
    Mack
  • I just bought a Standard automatic for less than $16K, and I'm happy (it's still a Corolla, if not a bit utilitarian). The "True Market Price" in my area (Podunk, North Dakota) was only $100 off MSRP, so I trekked the 500 miles to Minneapolis and got $700 better. With the 0% financing promotion and a $500 College rebate (which offers no payments for 90 days and one year free roadside assistance), it was a no-brainer. The gas mileage is superb (about 38 MPG back on the highway, and I am *not* a gentle driver). But the "multi-information display" is awful...you should be able to see your gas mileage and the clock at the same time, geesh!
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    Good for you! Congrats. I've yet to see a Standard model Corolla. Our regional distributors don't order very many of them. I think for our 5 state region I've seen less than 10 on the monthly TVO Toyota vehicle order.
    :)
    Mack
  • rnakawatrnakawat Posts: 5
    I'm considering buying someone's last gens factory rim's for my 2009. Will they fit? Are they the same lug configuration and offset?
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    Yes, specs are the same. Wheels from the last gen Corolla will fit, as will wheels from the current gen Prius.
  • dd974dd974 Posts: 4
    Does anyone know if or when the HuskyLiner brand will become available for the 2009 Corolla. I had them in my Jeep Liberty which I traded for the Corolla and they worked out great. If anyone knows of some place online that offers these, please post links. Thanks.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,694
    I took an LE automatic for a spin today. The test drive pretty much confirmed what I have heard and read about the car, except for one little surprise re fuel economy.

    Here's my notes on the drive:

    http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ef16b02/201
  • howardm1howardm1 Posts: 3
    Thanks. Both keys are over $30 huh?

    Now that I've had it over a week, I really like the car--low noise level, steering is fine for me (seems to be 'sportier' than others describe, but maybe my expectations are lower...?).

    The multi display thing is REALLY annoying; the clock on the audio display would have been a good idea, or at least a small clock tucked into a niche on the dash by itself (like on my 98 Camry and 03 Sienna).

    My MPG is a bit lower than expected, on mostly back road driving with mild stop and go at lights (it's back road NJ after all)--avg of 28. Even after a 40 mile each way trip to Philly for a ballgame, the MPG was only 32! Car still has less than 1000 miles on it, so maybe it'll get better.

    Everyone's right about the elbow rest being too hard! All else is good, no complaints.

    Re: Prius avail: salesman told me (for what that's worth) 3 mos delivery is now the norm; ALSO told me no more Corolla discounts (I got $1k off my LE with VSC, remote entry).

    Anyone know why they switched the remote entry from a fob to the key? Darn key is SO big...

    TTFN

    HM
  • veldevelde Posts: 17
    Backy,
    You are a wealth of information. Have you driven the 2008 Civic and if so, I wouldn't be interested in your thoughts.
    Velde
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,694
    I have, but since you aren't interested in my thoughts and it would be off-topic in this discussion, I won't say any more about it. (I did put a review in the same discussion as my Corolla comments, if anyone else is interested.)
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    Whoa, there! No point in talking about fuel consumption until at least the 3000 mile mark. For that matter, all of our Toyotas and Hondas have steadily improved in both fuel use and power available right up and through the 6000 mile point.

    Your fuel use is perfectly reasonable for this car and a green engine - it will improve at least 10% or more as the miles start to accumulate.
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    I read your review on the Corolla. Man, you must have a lot of time on your hands to go from dealer to dealer testing new cars. Have they booted you off the lot yet?
    ;)
    Mack
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    It's cheaper to produce an all in one key rather than a key and a separate remote fob. Most Toyotas with the KE have that type of remote now. Avalon, Camry, Corolla, Matrix, Yaris, and Scions. I imagine we will soon be seeing it on the trucks and suvs.
    Mack
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,694
    Why would they boot a prospective buyer off the lot? I ran into a buddy of mine whom I've known for many years, a really great "master" sales rep, and he and I had a great time taking the new Corolla for a spin. If I do buy a Toyota, it would be from him.
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    I don't think you are a prospective buyer. It seems to me you are a perpetual shopper/test driver. ;)
    Mack
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,694
    Yeah, I am weird... I actually like to evaluate cars (including at least one test drive) before I seriously consider buying them. Which I will be doing this fall. That will make six car purchases (or leases) in less than 10 years. I know it's easier for someone who works for a car maker--you pretty much know which brand you are going to drive, right? ;)
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    Yeah, I probably wouldn't drive anything not made by Toyota. ;) Although I like Hondas also but I still believe Toyotas are better.
    Before I got in the business I knew pretty much what I wanted. I would get brochures, CR, Consumer Guide, and the little Edmund's pocket books. I would narrow my choices to two vehicles and then I would begin my visit to the first dealer to test drive. I usually end up buying from the salesperson that treats us best.

    I don't know if you ever read my story when I got back from Desert Storm and we were looking for a second car as the Toyota Van was not enough for two drivers. If things would have been different at the Honda dealer we went to I would be selling Hondas today. We were pretty much ignored when we pulled up. All the salespeople that were staring out of the showroom windows scrammed.
    I looked and went around to open the door so the kids could get out and also open the passenger side for my wife. I made a comment to her about what I saw and she saw it too.
    We walked to the lot and looked for the Accords. We found one with a manual tranny and we waited for a salesperson to come out. No one did. It was probably one of the hottest day in that summer so I told my wife I would go in and find a salesperson.
    When I walked into the showroom there was one guy reading a magazine and another behind a counter that I assumed was a sales manager. I walked up to him and told him I was buying a car today and I had been on the lot for over 20 minutes and no salesperson had come out to assist us. He apologized and looked over to the guy reading a magazine.
    "Hey Jack, this gentleman wants to look at a car." The guy got up and folded the magazine and came over. His expression made it seem like I had interrupted his dinner or something.
    He came up and said "Which car you want to drive." more of a command than a question. I told him there was a bronze accord I wanted to test drive. "Show me where it is." he said. We walked out to the car and he copied a number and said he would go get the key. We waited another 10 minutes and he shows up with the key and a d-tag.
    What happened next I will not forget for as long as I live. He unlocks the car and my three boys get in the back seat and buckle up. As my wife opens the front passenger door and is about to get in the car he stops her. "Oh no, I have to go with you on the test drive." he says. I looked at him and said to him "Where's my wife going to sit?" I asked, and this is what the moron said:

    "Just throw her in the back seat with the kids"

    :surprise: I could not believe my ears and my wife was so upset she stayed behind as I took this idiot on the ride of his life. Needless to say I didn't buy the Accord. On the was back to the dealer he asked which other cars I was considering. told him a Camry since we had already owned two Toyotas and they were bullet proof. He says to me "It looks like you already had your mind up on the Camry." and I replied: "No. This car was right up there too. Unfortunately the way you treated us makes me not want to come back to this dealership ever, See that woman standing outside the building? She has a pre-approved check in her purse. We are buying a car but not from you"
    I got the kids and met my wife at the edge of the building, we got back in our car and I said to her: "Honey, if I ever get into car sales I hope that I don't treat anyone like this guy treated us."
    Mack
  • robbiegrobbieg Posts: 326
    I am interested in the Corolla but want to know how car seats fit in the back seat. I need to put two in. One is for a newborn, so the car seat is going to click in. The other is a forward facing seat for a one year old. I am worried about the fit because the click in seat really doesn't fit into my 2005 Legacy.

    Thoughts?
  • veldevelde Posts: 17
    Mack,
    Great Story!
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,694
    Best thing to do is take your car seats down to the Toyota dealer and do a test-fit in a Corolla, to make sure everything fits the way you want. There is much variation in car seats, and in attachments for car seats.
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    Thank you! :blush:
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