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  • jmarounjmaroun Posts: 139
    I'll try to conclude the above evolution of thought, that will no doubt still go on for whatever reason makes an auto enthusiast tick, by asking the following: How could all these great auto manufacturers, all’of’em I say; F up royally in one way or another??? There were so many this time! How could the M division diverge away from the ideal I thought they knew best?? Instead of a driver's car, they produced a well designed albeit irresponsible muscle bound GT cruiser. And almost everyone else followed suit!

    Nissan’s GTR and BMW’s 335i are exempt from the brunt of the above question, but as I’ve described, they have big flaws as well. I suppose the 335’s toned down look was an intentional attempt to protect the E92 M3? The GTR’s looks are understandably different since the car reflects, unapologetically, Japanese culture.

    For the rest, the only answer I could come up with thus far is that the manufacturers only provided what they, to the best of their knowledge, thought the average consumer wanted. And who can blame them given monster SUV demand and ever growing lust for more brute hp. There’s just an embarrassing obsession for numbers like 0-60, 1/4mi, and oh yeah you can’t leave out the all mighty “Ring” time. I guess, the lust for these numbers have distracted folks from an ideal centered around the “driving experience”. Why should manufacturers provide a sophisticated yet simple driver's machine to the masses when crude unsophisticated cowboy mentality seems to be the trend. You see the over exuberant lust for super-sized everything everywhere from fries to carpet bombs to Hummers.

    So, I bid all well this 2008. Enjoy your super dooper V8's and fancy computerized trannys. I’m sure you’ll make plenty of like-minded friends at gas stations. I have no
    Idea what I’ll be doing in less than a year when my 330i lease is up.

    Joseph
    San Diego
  • Claire@EdmundsClaire@Edmunds Chicago areaPosts: 968
    Looks like a good start for a blog -- have you considered writing one here?

    http://www.carspace.com/blogs/

    If you decide to, please send me a link so that I can bookmark it.

    ClaireS, Host
    Auto News & Views | Coupes & Convertibles

    Claire

    HOST

  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Are you kidding? I get the impression he doesn't even have a driver's license yet. :P
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,019
    Are you kidding? I get the impression he doesn't even have a driver's license yet.

    Well, the search function is a wonderful thing... Here's an excerpt from one of his earlier posts:

    What I want is to be able to safely attack turns aggressively and to be able to accellerate quickly from rest or at lower speeds.

    It sounds like dialogue from one of my son's Initial D manga comics(though I must admit that they ARE kind of fun to read).

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    LOL...I see I'm not the only one to think that way.

    Actually, after I read his post, my first thought was that he should hide his car magazines before his homeroom teacher catches him and gives him detention - because then he'd either have to catch the late bus or call his mom to come pick him up. :P
  • westgmnwestgmn Posts: 11
    Good because i tend to believe a well informed opinion regarding cars also includes a test drive , not regurgitating magazine exercepts or following the media hype
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,019
    i tend to believe a well informed opinion regarding cars also includes a test drive , not regurgitating magazine exercepts or following the media hype

    I think that enthusiast magazine tests and evaluations can be helpful, but you need to know the editorial slant of the magazine as well as that of the author. Unfortunately, most "experts" tend to forget all that and simply want to use the buff books to play a game of "mine's bigger" by comparing accelleration, braking and skidpad/slalom numbers...

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    A very astute poster on another forum (mikeebear) put it best (I've been waiting for a chance to pass it on).

    "You can't look at cars like Pokemon cards, where each car has its own set of "stats" and "numbers" attached to it. They are to be driven and your analysis should come from how they drive."
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,019
    "You can't look at cars like Pokemon cards, where each car has its own set of "stats" and "numbers" attached to it. They are to be driven and your analysis should come from how they drive."

    But then how do you pass the time in Study Hall???

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    You've never heard of Mario Kart for Nintendo DS? :P
  • westgmnwestgmn Posts: 11
    haah that game is very addicting
  • westgmnwestgmn Posts: 11
    roadburner i do agree with you. Like you say the slant of a magazine does factor in quite a bit. There are still some objective and fair publications out there...I hope.It is a shame though how it is usually reduced to who is the fastest in a straightline from stop light to stop light.
  • jmarounjmaroun Posts: 139
    Fact is, the E92 M3 is not even available for test drive in the US..so
    one MUST go by magazine and European buyer reviews. That's what I've done.
    I've summarized my opinions in the following blog. Remember, it's only my own personal opinion.

    blog: http://www.carspace.com/blogs/enthusiastsdilemma08

    Joseph
    San Diego
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Seems to me the new BMW M3 is nothing more than a German Pontiac GTO. I can't say I like one any more than the other...
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,019
    Seems to me the new BMW M3 is nothing more than a German Pontiac GTO.

    I wouldn't go quite that far, I tend to think of it as a replacement for the E28 M5 or E24 M6. The weight and dimensions are similar, aonly with @150 more horsepower. The new M3 is a nice GT or sports sedan, but it's just to massive to be an M3 in spirit.
    Having said all that, I still think I might buy that nice 2002 tii I was looking at awhile back; as the great Colin Chapman put it, "Simplify and add lightness!"

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • Hello, I have a 2004 M3 and having problems with my speakers/stereo. The music/sound tends to fade by itself randomly. The fade is subtle but noticeable, very annoying. Any ideas or solutions? Thanks!
  • jmarounjmaroun Posts: 139
    After years of waiting, anticipating, discussing, considering...it arrives.

    14 mpg
    $70k Sticker .. no thanks

    It took me less than 5 minutes to conclude, Meh. The 335i looks cleaner and lighter. This M3 is what the M5 should be and the M5 is what the M6 should be. Actually, the M6 shouldn't be, IMO. A more aggressive 335i with slightly larger inline 6 + bi-turbos is what this M3 should have been. BMW should take example from 911TT and GTR rather than join the V8 bandwagon with Audi's RS4 and Merc's C63AMG.

    To think I waisted so much time researching this car!!

    Joseph
    San Diego
    blog: http://www.carspace.com/blogs/enthusiastsdilemma08
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,111
    14 mpg The M3 is about performance, not fuel economy. In a perfect world, us car guys would be driving 150 mph cars that do 0 - 60 in the 4 second range that in turn get 50 mpg. We live & drive in the real world. The 14city/20highway numbers are the EPA's new rating system which is supposed to reflect real world mileage numbers. After PROPER break in then at 5K & 10K intervals BMWs performance and mileage historically increase.

    $70k Sticker .. no thanks I just "built my own" M3 on BMWUSA's website. The MSRP came out to $56,720. My M3 sedan's only options are heated front seats, power glass moonroof, & SIRIUS Radio (can't live without HOWARD).

    I'm sure this M3 is a V8 in part because of competititon, but there is only so much they could wring out of the Inline 6. They wanted to keep it naturally aspirated, so the next progression is a high revving V8. The V8 is what makes the M3 special. If it were just a 335i with bigger wheels, a sharper suspension, and more power from the same Twin Turbo Inline 6 BMW couldn't justify the price jump.

    The 335 is one amazing car. I think a lot of the world's problems would be solved if more cars have the N54 under the hood :P

    Good luck with your car search.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,019
    I'm considering a M3 sedan for my family hack. With the DCG my wife can drive it and I can still hit the track with it from time to time. I'm guesstimating that my MSRP would be a tick over $60K as the lower base price of the sedan will partially offset the cost of the DCG. The thing is, I consider the latest M3 to be much closer in spirit to the original E28 M5. The E90 is 9 inches shorter and 180 lbs. heavier than the E28 and needless to say, the modern car is much faster- it reaches 60 and the end of the 1/4 mile 2 seconds sooner. It also pulls .95g on the skidpad as opposed to the .83g the E28 can manage. And the new M3 is also a bargain compared to the original M5. Adjust the M5's 1988 MSRP of $48470 for inflation and the 2008 number is $88336. And while I realize that reading several magazine articles and perusing the Monroney sticker will usually tell you all you need to know abou a car, I'm not going to express my final opinion on the new M3 until I actually drive one.
    Having said all that, I'd love to see BMW build something with the character of the original E30 M3- edgy, responsive, and covered with a thin veneer of civility. Sad to say, the market would probably be very limited since today's typical BMW buyer thinks trailing throttle oversteer is a band that used to open for Kansas- and even M Car buyers wet their pants at the thought of taking their car to a high speed driving event(shudder). Those individuals should be forced to drive Lexus LS sedans for the rest of their miserable lives.

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • jmarounjmaroun Posts: 139
    I'll never go anywhere near 150mph..EVER. I'd bet most M3 owners won't as well.
    Why not build a street M3 version with a speed limiter at say..100mph. (no, the 135i is not it) Then, the car can be much lighter, and design optimization can be done for lower, more legal speeds, while maintaining great fuel efficiency?

    Who told BMW that the driving experience is all about driving 90mph over the speed limit??

    Hmm..I should get paid for such ideas. :shades:

    Joseph
    San Diego
    blog: http://www.carspace.com/blogs/enthusiastsdilemma08
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