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Lexus LS 460/LS 460L Styling Impressions

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  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,687
    Just in case no one else posted it, you can download an LS brochure here.

    http://www.lexus.com/models/brochures/ebrochure/ls_ebrochure.html

    Colors (hope this links)

    http://www.lexus.com/images/ebrochures/LS/LS_Page_13.pdf

    I hope they make a boatload of smokey granite mica's. Knockout money color for the car - IMO. My car will be that exterior with the light grey interior - no questions asked. I'll pre-order and deposit that now for late March delivery if I have to.
  • Luxurious Lexus sedan earns brisk sales
    Friday October 20, 2006, 1:59 pm

    Toyota said it has received orders for 12,000 units of the LS460 sedan, the highest end of the luxury Lexus brand, since its launch on September 19, more than nine times its monthly target of 1,300.

    Toyota expects the LS series to help boost domestic sales of Lexus models, which have been slow since the brand's launch in Japan almost one year ago.

    About 70 per cent of LS460 purchasers are above the age of 50, and those who place orders need to wait for about three months to get the car, according to Toyota.

    The LS460, powered by a new 4.6-litre V-8 engine, is being sold through 160 Lexus dealers in Japan, for suggested retail prices ranging from Y7.7 million ($A85,976) to Y9.65 million ($A107,749.


    http://au.biz.yahoo.com/061020/30/xt1r.html

    12,000 vehicles sold in Japan so far...
  • ikey78ikey78 Posts: 28
    Len, have you seen the grey wood that goes with the grey leather and if so what do you think about it? How about the Alabaster interior? Have you seen that with the SGM exterior color?
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,687
    I've seen that grey wood on the LS430 ultra in the early years of that model and loved it. It's more of a granite/stone look than it is wood. Alabaster I haven't seen.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,687
    It will be interesting to see how Lexus plays the lease deals on the LS460 and the LS460L in particular. Most LS460L's will probably be in the $80-82K range and that should run $1200-1300 per month, zero down - I would think. I have seen several S 550 leases in the last few weeks that were $1350-$1399 on $86-88K prices with zero down. The S-class seems to be getting $2-4K discounts right now (which is why the advertised prices were $86-88K) and that won't happen with the LS for the first 4-6 months. I would think Lexus would be careful to keep lease prices tucked in under MB similar to the MSRP's. But there's no guarantee on that.
  • landilandi Posts: 44
    The $86,000 LS is $1,650 for 36/12K. Too rich for my blood. I will be exploring other options. I am not sure how long Lexus can demand these rates and prices.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,687
    You can't go by Lexus.com as those prices are always higher than dealer prices. But if that price is right than an S-550 is the value play these days.

    For the heck of it I put an $86000 price in for 3 years and 15K miles, zero down at Lexus.com and got a $1494 price. Usually that includes sales tax as they calc based on your zip code. My guess is that at 80-82K about 3 months from now you'll be around $1200-1250 on 15k/36 months, zero down.
  • landilandi Posts: 44
    This is a price from a dealer which is higher than Lexus.com. The $72,000 SWB is $1,350 36/12k with zero down. Both include taxes. Considering that my 04 LS430 with 62k sticker was $861 including taxes, these prices are very high. I should note that I received a $5,000 discount on the LS430 to get it down to $861. One dealer told the $72,000 car should lease between $1,500 and $2,300 which is truly laughable. Seems like right now the only way is to purchase the car or wait a few months for the lease.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,687
    Landi,

    Clearly your dealer is charging prices over list price right now. That's the only way you can be higher than Lexus.com. Lexus.com always uses MSRP and the highest interest rates. Usually dealers will discount (though not now and in fact may be giving prices over list) and can provide better rates from Lexus depending on volume of cars they sell or they have better rate deals with banks. The problem we have is Lexus prominence is sky high now and a new LS is now as big a deal as a new S-class so it's going to take longer and longer for demand to wane.

    As for $2300 a month for a $72K car - well that's more than it would take to buy the car outright in 3 years. So it's not even laughable - it's an absurdity that mathematics exposes.

    BTW - In 2001 I heard that $72K LS ultras were leasing as high as 1350-1400 in the first few months and were pricing as high as $81K on full purchase. At my dealership the price was $1250 and full sticker as they were not price gouging. Remember also that interest rates were high and just starting to fall back in 2001. As well Lexus had a better residual percentage on the $62K car in 2001 then they did on the $72K car. My bet is that on cars like the LS460L the higher you go the less the residual percentage will be.

    Again - this demand is what scares me about the LS600HL. It may go well over list price.
  • cyclone4cyclone4 Posts: 2,292
    Len, are you still waiting for the LS600HL or have you changed your mind and going with the LS460L? As you know I am first in line for the LS600HL at my dealer. However, I am starting to have second thoughts after hearing the horror stories about its trunk. I was at my dealer the other day for the showing of the LS460 and LS460L. A couple of sales reps were telling me that they have seen the trunk and it is minuscule. It extends only two feet inward from the rear. That is very disappointing to me. A trunk size as big as the LS460L with rear seat upgrade would be acceptable. But the 600HL will be considerably smaller according to these guys. The AWD is one of the reasons I wanted the 600HL. Do we know for sure if the LS460L will be available with AWD next year? If so, that would probably clinch it for me. The past few days, I have been going back and forth with this dilemma. One moment I am thinking that I can adjust with a tiny trunk but then the next moment I am thinking that I will not be happy. What happens if my wife and I are taking a trip with a couple of friends? What do we do with the luggage? We cannot lay it on the back seat. What to do? It's driving me wacko.

    By the way, I also test drove the LS460L while at the dealer this past Friday. I only drove it for about 15-20 minutes (others waiting to drive it). It is a wonderful automobile. I found nothing wrong with the breaks. I bring this up this a few on the HELM board were complaining about the breaks. It is incredibly smooth and quiet but you now hear a roar of the engine if you step on it. The seats are definitely more comfortable than my current LS430. I love the auto break feature when in heavy stop and go traffic. You only need to activate it once and it will stay that way on the other stops. My salesman demonstrated the advanced parking feature for me. I was impressed. I think that it will be something quite useful. It does not take much time at all to activate. Once you get use to it, it should be a piece of cake. The power trunk is also neat. There are obviously many other amazing features to this car besides the above.

    I suppose the second paragraph of this post should have gone on the first drive forum, but I do not want to break it up and place the first paragraph here and the second there. If the hosts want to move it than so be it. This is one of the problems of multiple boards for the same car.
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    Do we know for sure if the LS460L will be available with AWD next year?

    Not known for sure, but I was told that we wouldn't get AWD on the 460 until late calendar 2007 at the earliest. For more info see this post.
  • cyclone4cyclone4 Posts: 2,292
    syswei, your information is very much appreciated. I see that you also have a problem with the LS600HL trunk size. It is a shame because I really wanted to purchase this car. Has anyone actually seen the specs on the 600HL trunk?

    AWD cannot get here soon enough on the LS460L.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,687
    Cyclone - My news is similar to Syswei's but someone mentioned to me that March or April may be the point where AWD becomes an option. I'll have to see the trunk on the 600HL but a well equipped $82-83K LS460L with air suspension and AWD looks like a great deal to me as well. I'd love to test that sport suspension on the LS460L and I've thought seriously about that car. But you'll need snows in winter plus AWD if you're in a snow climate and take the sport suspension. The only thing I've ruled out right now is the SWB car. I'm listed for both the LS460L and the HL right now. My lease is due in late March. If AWD is right around the corner I'll just extend my lease. My 430 is the usual perfect car.

    I'm dropping by the dealership on Thursday or Frday and will let you know what info I gather.
  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244679

    very nicely done.... great read as well.... Would help some of us aspiring 460 owners get some more info on this car.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,687
    Some of the initial LS prices from these guys, in case anyone wants to bypass dealers who are pricy or have no stock, and get the car shipped. One way or another this is a good benchmark for lease deals though. The lease prices include 10% MSRP down so interest effect that and divide by lease term and then add to the advertised lease prices to get a zero down lease. You can price MB, BMW, Bentley and others here as well.

    One thing to note is they only have 3 cars to sell and usually they have tons. Bad sign for early buyers as this is indicative of high demand. Fleetrates initially was purely Lexus and then expanded so they typically have a lot of Lexus cars available vs their other brands.

    http://fleetrates.com/index.htm?start=0&certified=&SBmake=Lexus&SBmodel=LS+460
  • cyclone4cyclone4 Posts: 2,292
    I would definitely go for the air suspension. I really do not want to deal with snow tires if at all possible.

    I'll be waiting for some good news after your visit to the dealer late this week.
  • LS is about being smooth, powerful, and quiet. Why would anyone wnat a tighter suspension. Or oversize touring tires?
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    ... housekeeping!

    In an attempt to make it easier to follow the LS 460 discussions, I have renamed this board and moved all the LS 400 and LS 430 discussions to a new board here: Lexus LS 400/LS 430. There are a few discussions shared across both boards (one example: Meet the Members).

    If you were tracking any discussion I moved, I believe you will have to re-track it now. You can go to that link and check them out.

    You should not have lost any of the discussions you were tracking in this group, nor should you have lost tracking of the entire group, if that's what you were doing.

    If you are not tracking the entire group, I again urge you do so here so you don't miss anything. I encourage you to make new discussions for different LS 460 topics and I will be doing the same.

    If you have logistical questions, feel free to email me or post them in the Software discussion.

    Carry on! :)
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    LS is about being smooth, powerful, and quiet. Why would anyone wnat a tighter suspension. Or oversize touring tires?

    It's beyond me why anybody would change the dynamics of this car with any wheel changes not available through Lexus. Engineers have spent millions matching the suspension with wheels and tires that optimize the handling characteristics of this expensive car. You can't improve it - only screw it up with any aftermarket changes at all.
  • jl618jl618 Posts: 64
    I recently attended the LS460 debut at Portland, OR's Rose Garden - a very nice event.

    After climbing in and comparing SWB and LWB models, and returning home, I could not find where Lexus provides any comparitive figures on legroom measurements on the LS460, other than obvious vehicle total lengths.

    Edmunds does provide the following data for my wife's '05 Avalon which she thoroughly enjoys: front legroom - 41.3"; rear legroom - 40.9" - one of the highlights of the Avalon is back seat legroom.

    I am considering getting her an LS460, but I know she would not be pleased if the SWB has less legroom than her Avalon. - thus it would have to be the LWB model.

    For compative purposes I would like to know how legroom in the two LS460's stacks up with her Avalon.

    Has anyone found where Lexus provides the same information for LS460 models, and how front and rear legroom measurements are determined?

    Perhaps our esteemed HOST can forward this to the appropriate engineer.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,913
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  • jl618jl618 Posts: 64
    Pressure is on !!
  • These are not aftermarket offerings. They are factory options. Touring suspensions and large 19 " tires. What makes them so good for touring. I want quiet comfort.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    These are not aftermarket offerings. They are factory options. Touring suspensions and large 19 " tires.

    Oh, alright, my bad.
  • elmer3elmer3 Posts: 20
    I just drove a LS 460. It is an great car. I am now driving a Mercedes E-320 wagon. No comparing the two even though the Mercedes is a great car. One of the features I really liked was with keyless entry when I would use one set of keys( in your pocket) --when I started the car all the mirrors,seat adjustments, steering wheel went where I preset the memory. With the other set of keys everything went where that memory was set--no more messing around. I love it. The dealer would not budge on the price but I am certain when things settle down and they get some inventory they will deal some. I am going to buy one. Happy motoring
  • iballiball Posts: 5
    LEXUS LS 460 & 460L HAS MISSED THE BOAT IN ONE LUXURY CATAGORY!!------REAR LEG ROOM!! 35.8 FOR THE 460, & 37.8 FOR THE460L. GET THIS------ THE CAMERY IS 38.3 [OTHER MID-SIZED CARS-LINCOLN MKZ 37.0, SEBRING 37.6"]
    I SAT BEHIND THE DRIVER'S SEAT [WHICH I SET FOR MYSELF @ 5'8"]ON A LS460, AND MY SHOES [INSTEPS] HAD TO SLIP UNDER THE FRONT SEAT TO BE THE LEAST BIT COMFORTABLE!
    CADILLAC 42.0, MB=42.3 LEXUS REALLY GOOFED ON THIS "LUXURY" POINT!

    ANY VALIDITY TO THE RUMOR THAT THE 460LS TKES 170' TO STOP AT 60MPH??-------BRAKES DON'T FEEL AS SMOOTH AS MY FRIEND'S 2007 CADILLAC.
    APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.
  • dan67dan67 Posts: 51
    Oh...the details of a new car like the LS460. I'm just going to ignor the little nice ubiquitus things like automatic seat adjustments and keyless entry and unique stupid idiotic things like the auto parking gizmo that probably no one will ever use and more gears than you'll ever need. First of all, I am nearing medicare age and drive the 2001 LS 430 with 65K miles without many options and goodness it's a great car and simple too. I just can't tell you all the times I prayed for auto closing doors, and for the car to be longer, shorter and wider than my car. I can't tell you because I never prayed for such things. Oh the new LS460 is pretty nice looking for a boat both inside and out. And all the times I wished for a car that could go to 60 MPH under 6 seconds. Never! Of course, I only drove the LS 460 for a few minutes and it drove okay but I can't really get a decent test drive because the darn things are sold and immediately gone at almost all dealers who wouldn't dare cut the price a nickle. Apparently a bunch of you just have the newest model or somehow your ego will hurt. How sad that your ego is tied to a car rather than to yourself. So buy the car and go for a ride on our crowded streets where if you are lucky you average 30 MPH, and feel good about yourself at least until the next best thing comes available. Personally, if you are so inclined, I suggest you don't buy this boat and spend the money you save at a psychiatrist office and get on some decent meds to overcome your insecurities.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    So, you're bitter dan? Why? Why deny me that thrill that comes from a new exciting car? You're a stick in the mud. ;)
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