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Lexus LS 460/LS 460L Styling Impressions

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  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    I'm sorry you aren't happy with the direction we're going in, but it's a policy decision that has been made much higher than my paygrade, I assure you. It's not something we can change.

    If you want to talk about your impressions of the styling, here's the place. If you have other things on your mind about the new (or any) LS, please go to the top level of the board and either find the right place or create a new topic. Here's the link: Lexus LS.

    This isn't the smoothest process in the world, there's no doubt about that. It's difficult to make this drastic of a change, but it's got to be done. I, for one, would really appreciate it if you would try to work with us on it. We could really use your help.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    I'm going to ask that the conversation about the changes in the Forums be discontinued here. Kirstie has provided a more appropriate link in this post: kirstie_h, "2007 Lexus LS 460/460L: First Drives" #16, 18 Oct 2006 10:44 am.
  • LS 460 styling question: Does this thing look like a BMW from the rear to you all? It sure does to me and I do not care for that style. L-finesse or not, they are still imitating Germans, IMHO. OK, I am still going to drive one at the Taste of Lexus, but I don't think I am a buyer.
  • sidgriggssidgriggs Posts: 122
    Just looked at swb model at dealership. The car reminds me of a Camry from the side/rear and maybe an ES 350 from the front. Does anyone have a picture of the "18-in Teleios alloy wheels (Available 1st Quarter 2007)" which are shown as an accessory at Lexus.com? I can't stand those 9-spoke wheels that these cars are arriving with.
  • It's about as exciting as a 1997 Cadillac STS. Check out the rear-end. There's real resemblance. I'm not joking...
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Yeah this whole new thing makes no sense.

    Their test drive pretty much matches what I found at the Taste of Lexus when I drove the LS460L. Though burning rubber in a luxury sedan isn't a show of anything other than power. Road and Track did the same thing recently with a Rolls Phantom.

    M
  • atlas7atlas7 Posts: 126
    I agree, those 9 spoke wheels are very ugly. I can't believe those are the wheels for this car....Akin to wearing a beautiful dark blue suit with scuffed brown shoes!
  • sidgriggssidgriggs Posts: 122
    are these the wheels?? or are you just disagreeing with me as to the look of the car???
  • atlas7atlas7 Posts: 126
    I am speaking about the 9 spoke wheels, ugly. Haven't seen the car in person yet, so I will reserve judgement. But, those 9 spoke wheels look like the same as the ones they have on the ES 350.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,661
    Just in case no one else posted it, you can download an LS brochure here.

    http://www.lexus.com/models/brochures/ebrochure/ls_ebrochure.html

    Colors (hope this links)

    http://www.lexus.com/images/ebrochures/LS/LS_Page_13.pdf

    I hope they make a boatload of smokey granite mica's. Knockout money color for the car - IMO. My car will be that exterior with the light grey interior - no questions asked. I'll pre-order and deposit that now for late March delivery if I have to.
  • Luxurious Lexus sedan earns brisk sales
    Friday October 20, 2006, 1:59 pm

    Toyota said it has received orders for 12,000 units of the LS460 sedan, the highest end of the luxury Lexus brand, since its launch on September 19, more than nine times its monthly target of 1,300.

    Toyota expects the LS series to help boost domestic sales of Lexus models, which have been slow since the brand's launch in Japan almost one year ago.

    About 70 per cent of LS460 purchasers are above the age of 50, and those who place orders need to wait for about three months to get the car, according to Toyota.

    The LS460, powered by a new 4.6-litre V-8 engine, is being sold through 160 Lexus dealers in Japan, for suggested retail prices ranging from Y7.7 million ($A85,976) to Y9.65 million ($A107,749.


    http://au.biz.yahoo.com/061020/30/xt1r.html

    12,000 vehicles sold in Japan so far...
  • ikey78ikey78 Posts: 28
    Len, have you seen the grey wood that goes with the grey leather and if so what do you think about it? How about the Alabaster interior? Have you seen that with the SGM exterior color?
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,661
    I've seen that grey wood on the LS430 ultra in the early years of that model and loved it. It's more of a granite/stone look than it is wood. Alabaster I haven't seen.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,661
    It will be interesting to see how Lexus plays the lease deals on the LS460 and the LS460L in particular. Most LS460L's will probably be in the $80-82K range and that should run $1200-1300 per month, zero down - I would think. I have seen several S 550 leases in the last few weeks that were $1350-$1399 on $86-88K prices with zero down. The S-class seems to be getting $2-4K discounts right now (which is why the advertised prices were $86-88K) and that won't happen with the LS for the first 4-6 months. I would think Lexus would be careful to keep lease prices tucked in under MB similar to the MSRP's. But there's no guarantee on that.
  • landilandi Posts: 44
    The $86,000 LS is $1,650 for 36/12K. Too rich for my blood. I will be exploring other options. I am not sure how long Lexus can demand these rates and prices.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,661
    You can't go by Lexus.com as those prices are always higher than dealer prices. But if that price is right than an S-550 is the value play these days.

    For the heck of it I put an $86000 price in for 3 years and 15K miles, zero down at Lexus.com and got a $1494 price. Usually that includes sales tax as they calc based on your zip code. My guess is that at 80-82K about 3 months from now you'll be around $1200-1250 on 15k/36 months, zero down.
  • landilandi Posts: 44
    This is a price from a dealer which is higher than Lexus.com. The $72,000 SWB is $1,350 36/12k with zero down. Both include taxes. Considering that my 04 LS430 with 62k sticker was $861 including taxes, these prices are very high. I should note that I received a $5,000 discount on the LS430 to get it down to $861. One dealer told the $72,000 car should lease between $1,500 and $2,300 which is truly laughable. Seems like right now the only way is to purchase the car or wait a few months for the lease.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,661
    Landi,

    Clearly your dealer is charging prices over list price right now. That's the only way you can be higher than Lexus.com. Lexus.com always uses MSRP and the highest interest rates. Usually dealers will discount (though not now and in fact may be giving prices over list) and can provide better rates from Lexus depending on volume of cars they sell or they have better rate deals with banks. The problem we have is Lexus prominence is sky high now and a new LS is now as big a deal as a new S-class so it's going to take longer and longer for demand to wane.

    As for $2300 a month for a $72K car - well that's more than it would take to buy the car outright in 3 years. So it's not even laughable - it's an absurdity that mathematics exposes.

    BTW - In 2001 I heard that $72K LS ultras were leasing as high as 1350-1400 in the first few months and were pricing as high as $81K on full purchase. At my dealership the price was $1250 and full sticker as they were not price gouging. Remember also that interest rates were high and just starting to fall back in 2001. As well Lexus had a better residual percentage on the $62K car in 2001 then they did on the $72K car. My bet is that on cars like the LS460L the higher you go the less the residual percentage will be.

    Again - this demand is what scares me about the LS600HL. It may go well over list price.
  • cyclone4cyclone4 Posts: 2,257
    Len, are you still waiting for the LS600HL or have you changed your mind and going with the LS460L? As you know I am first in line for the LS600HL at my dealer. However, I am starting to have second thoughts after hearing the horror stories about its trunk. I was at my dealer the other day for the showing of the LS460 and LS460L. A couple of sales reps were telling me that they have seen the trunk and it is minuscule. It extends only two feet inward from the rear. That is very disappointing to me. A trunk size as big as the LS460L with rear seat upgrade would be acceptable. But the 600HL will be considerably smaller according to these guys. The AWD is one of the reasons I wanted the 600HL. Do we know for sure if the LS460L will be available with AWD next year? If so, that would probably clinch it for me. The past few days, I have been going back and forth with this dilemma. One moment I am thinking that I can adjust with a tiny trunk but then the next moment I am thinking that I will not be happy. What happens if my wife and I are taking a trip with a couple of friends? What do we do with the luggage? We cannot lay it on the back seat. What to do? It's driving me wacko.

    By the way, I also test drove the LS460L while at the dealer this past Friday. I only drove it for about 15-20 minutes (others waiting to drive it). It is a wonderful automobile. I found nothing wrong with the breaks. I bring this up this a few on the HELM board were complaining about the breaks. It is incredibly smooth and quiet but you now hear a roar of the engine if you step on it. The seats are definitely more comfortable than my current LS430. I love the auto break feature when in heavy stop and go traffic. You only need to activate it once and it will stay that way on the other stops. My salesman demonstrated the advanced parking feature for me. I was impressed. I think that it will be something quite useful. It does not take much time at all to activate. Once you get use to it, it should be a piece of cake. The power trunk is also neat. There are obviously many other amazing features to this car besides the above.

    I suppose the second paragraph of this post should have gone on the first drive forum, but I do not want to break it up and place the first paragraph here and the second there. If the hosts want to move it than so be it. This is one of the problems of multiple boards for the same car.
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