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Ultimate AWD Sports Sedans



  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    How fitting that we've been talking about this - CR's car issue named Subaru the most reliable brand, number one for MY2004.

  • johnny420johnny420 Posts: 473
    "Don't get me wrong great car, not AWD, but certainly tops the RSX or TSX (Acura's)."

    Why? Because it has more horsepower? Pretty narrow defintion of performance if you ask me.

  • taxman10taxman10 Posts: 59
    I guess I'll join in on this.
    I just got a A4 2.0 Quattro, 6 speed.
    I've had a 1996 Outback H4 and a 2001 LL Bean H6. I put Bridgestone RE950s on the Bean and it changed personality from a dull car to one with some spirit - albeit losing some snow performance.
    Before getting the A4 I was in the local Subie dealership and tested a 5 speed Legacy GT Ltd and the automatic version.
    While I liked the Subie, was very familiar with them and could appreciate the distance they had come since 1996, the car is a half class below the new A4 by any measure other total HP and price.
    Fully loaded I stickered at $36,700 and invoiced at $34,400. Comparably, but not quite ( x zenons, bose/sattelite, better, I think, materials, longer warranty and free maintenance, etc) equipped, the the subie is $7,000 less.
    For a lot of people the tradeoffs and savings might make a difference - I wasn't sold.
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Posts: 6,257
    That's to Hox, right. I prefer the TSX.
  • deano2deano2 Posts: 1
    I was just wondering whats your opinion on the best awd sports sedan?

    Iam thinking of the Audi S4.

    What do you think?
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    I have broadened the topic name and categories here - enjoy!
  • krzysskrzyss Posts: 843
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Especially if we're talking ultimately expensive. :o)

    Forget S4, how 'bout the RS4? RS6? S8? Phaeton W12?

    More down to earth, JDM Legacy STi? MazdaSpeed 6? WRX STi? EVO IX?

  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,652
    More down to earth, JDM Legacy STi? MazdaSpeed 6? WRX STi? EVO IX?

    Great vehicles all, but the thread title is "Ultimate AWD Sports Sedans," not "Best-Bang-for-the-Buck AWD Sports Sedans."

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    They are the ultimate in terms of performance for the dollar. It's all about what you're measuring.

    Also, the STi and EVO are very extreme machines, in face I'd argue that they are more extreme, as in requiring more compromises from the driver, than even that Bentley.

  • beanboybeanboy Posts: 442
    I agree the G35 has a less refined interior compared to the LGT. Those silver cruise control buttons on the steering wheels looked and felt like they came off an 80s boom box!

    "Steering wheel felt slim and plasticky" Umm, gotta disagree with you there. Momo might not offer the best for their OEM lines, but certainly is right up there in feel and thickness versus the competition.

  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Posts: 6,257
    I agree the G35 has a less refined interior compared to the LGT. Those silver cruise control buttons on the steering wheels looked and felt like they came off an 80s boom box!

    Was this an 05 or 04 model G35? 05's have a new interior. Nissan heard the complaints and addressed them. The G35 MT has real aluminum covering the center console, doors, etc. It's quite nice actually. Far more substantial than anything in the TL, TSX, 3, MB or GT.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I should check out the new interior. I'd heard they were upgrading the Z, but I didn't know they also did the G35.

    Acura uses real aluminum too, FWIW. Besides, the stuff dents easily, if you bump a briefcase up against it.

    This is a case where fake aluminum (pluminum?) is actually better.

  • beanboybeanboy Posts: 442
    05s weren't out while I was shopping.

  • samiam_68samiam_68 Posts: 775
    Did anyone check out the 2006 GS-300 AWD? 245hp, 21/27MPG, gorgeous in and out, Dolby surround with DVD audio and SAT radio. NAV. Memory everything. BOW friggin' WOW! I WANT ONE! I'm getting a second
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    They look better now, also.

    Gen I was Guigiaro, but CALTY messed up Gen II and the proportions just didn't look right.

  • dashbbdashbb Posts: 119
    I currently drive an Audi A6 4.2 Quattro. Its hard to enjoy a FWD car once you've owned a true AWD system such as the Quattro. Other than Audi, Subaru and Lancer EVO, all other cars are either front-drive, rear assist or rear-drive, front-assist. (Please correct me if I'm mistaken).

    Subaru Legacy GT Wagon offers more cargo space, and although it has about 50hp less than Audi, it makes up for it in curb-weight.

    With the shotty reliability of Audi's & the high sticker price, Subaru Legacy GT becomes the obvious choice. The only thing you lose is the status that comes with the 4 circles! :-)

    What I did not like about the LGT compared to Audi:
    --Small rear seats & passenger volume.
    --Narrow wheels & tires. Audi has 255/40/17 size.
    --Inferior fit & finish quality, especially leather.
    --Slow Auto-Manual (Tiptronic) shifting in Subaru. The LGT reads a book before shifting.
    --No memory seats, navigation, quality sound system (such as Bose).
  • krzysskrzyss Posts: 843
    that 1 Audi A6 4.2 buys almost 2 GTs.


    PS BMW, if I am not mistaken, has AWD that works all the time. New 5 series with AWD might be more to your liking.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    2006 should get a Nav option. Dealers have already seen the order codes.

    Audi, Subaru, EVO are indeed full-time.

    You can add BMW, Mercedes, and Infiniti, that I know of. All systems are full-time and send most of the power to the rear axle for kicks.

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