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Honda Accord Future Models

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  • I'm on my second Accord (2002 4-cyl manual, sold@89k and current 2004 4-cyl auto now@50k) and my average mpg with both cars was/is above 31mpg (observed over 20k miles, not on tank-by-tank basis).
    My daily commute is about 80 mostly highway miles but my cars do see 6250 rpm a few times a day.
  • blufz1blufz1 Posts: 2,045
    I wonder how many of the gas slips you lost over the 20k?
  • Well, we're on the internets, so I assume you are aware of them computer thingies? Once I had the gallons/mileage/conditions&etc data entered in the spreadsheet, the receipt would go into the trash.
  • gpkgpk Posts: 38
    I have been looking for new info on the new I-4 for the Honda Accord? Has anyone found any info yet? Like Hp and torque and mpg? The current I-4 is silky smooth I am excited for the new car..
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    It would have been posted already without anyone having to ask if people had that info.
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Posts: 992
    History of the last few accord generations show that the accord went up a tenth of a liter in displacement each year.

    I wouldn't be surprised if honda made a 170hp 2.5l I4 or a 200hp 2.5l I5

    I like the idea of the I-5 because its something new and different from most companies. Then the accord could get a 260hp 3.2l v6 from the Acura TL.

    I know they could do an I5 as the Vigor and 2.5TL had I5 engines with 176hp in the 90's. It may not happen but its beneficial to the vehicles that use the engine like the Cr-v, Element, and probably others in other markets.

    Also history says a new TL usually comes out a year after the Accord :P

    Honda should use this tag line i came up with: "Traditionally Untraditional". "Power of dreams" is getting old[er] fast.

    I guess T. U. Is better for acura as thats also true: No V8, Sh-awd, no RWD, very powerful v6s.
    -Cj :)
  • blufz1blufz1 Posts: 2,045
    hp 180....tq 175......
  • gpkgpk Posts: 38
    I like the idea of the I-5 because its something new and different from most companies

    I like this idea as well but I doubt it. Torque has always been on the low side for Honda with the I-4. Yes they are silky smooth but I have always felt that they needed more torque at the bottom of the curve. Especially with this engine because its dual role in the CRV.
    The other reason why I am interested is because the new Accord will have the ACE structure as well. I know that adds some weight along with the usual model refresh the new Honda's are getting portly soo. While 180/175 may sound like a lot of power that engine is going to have to lug around extra weight.
  • blufz1blufz1 Posts: 2,045
    Just wait for the CRV diesel avail 9/08 it has 250 FT. lbs. of torque @ 2000 rpms.
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Posts: 992
    yeah but all diesels provide good torque. The base engine they are selling until the diesel comes has to carry around a lot of weight and cars!

    in 1995, The 2.5TL made 176hp/170lb ft vs the v6 accord had 170hp. The 5cyl got better city MPG than the v6 accord.

    but that was over 13 years ago. With this new technology, I think honda can make a 2.5l 5 cyl with 200hp and 200lb ft. Its good for the HP wars and should still get great MPG.

    The new I-5 could make each car that gets the k24 ahead in its classes. The Acura TSX needs it most since it only make 167lb ft.

    -Cj
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    Most people are already satisfied with the 4 cylinder power and torque. Those who are not can buy the V6.
    They really need to keep improving the fuel economy and not worry about adding more than a trivially small amount of extra power on the base engine.
    The new 2008 fuel economy ratings will make it look as if it uses more gas even if doesn't, so the only way to even maintain the current MPG ratings is to improve it.
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Posts: 992
    5cyl mpg sometimes mirror that of a 4cyl but with 6cyl hp when made correctly. The old 5cyls that honda made in the 1990s got great MPG and had a a good amount power also.

    A 5cyl would be good as honda doesn't plan to offer a v6 in the element or Cr-v which both could use the power boost.

    -Cj :)
  • blufz1blufz1 Posts: 2,045
    The CRV is getting the diesel.
  • gpkgpk Posts: 38
    With current gas prices I really think that there should be more emphasis on MPG. Its a concern to most individuals.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    The 4 cylinder doesn't need more power. 5 cylinder isn't asked for or wanted even if it could get "almost as good mpg" as a 4 cylinder. They need to focus on maximizing MPG while keeping similar power. They can worry about having class-leading power on the optional V6 if they want to have bragging rights about horsepower.
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Posts: 992
    i think a 5cyl is a great median since honda won't give the cr-v a v6 let alone the element. It would be better for us overall!

    -Cj
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,447
    I have a novel idea. The 4 is plenty fast how about making it a tad smaller and more fuel efficient and keeping the same hp? Less is more. ;)

    Those who think more is more can get the V6 - which could also stand to get smaller while keeping the same hp.

    Why waste technology on bigger and more powerful (and usually heavier and number), keep the power and increase the mileage.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    Most people buy the 4cyl, and will not even consider the V6. These people still want to have performance that's competitive in this segment. The Accord already has the smallest V6 in this class, and while the car keeps getting bigger, I doubt the engine will get smaller (not going to happen). Honda is known for not following the leader, but you have to give in to consumer demand at some point.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,447
    I know they won't make it smaller - just wishfull thinking on my part.

    BTW what is wrong with the smallest engine - isn't the performance of the car what matters. There are plenty of really big engines without much power.

    Of course my morning commute is not a drag race - maybe it is for most people. I guess I am just old and out of touch. ;)
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    I think what Honda should do (and should have done from the start) is make the 4cyl the hybrid, instead of the V6. People who buy the V6 are not necessarily looking for economy, IMO.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,447
    I absolutely agree with that. The hybrid is not even the most efficient Accord the 5M 4cyl has that honor (remember most hybrids have a harder time hitting EPA numbers than non-hybrids).
  • gpkgpk Posts: 38
    I triple that I would really like to see a match with the TCH. 32/40. I need something with good gas mileage and in two years when my current lease is up I can just move over to a hybrid. :shades:
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Posts: 992
    A diesel accord should be less than a TCH because of the cheaper technology. Say, 44MPG. And there is no reduction in trunk space! An accord diesel should be $22k. I believe in diesel!

    -Cj :)
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    The new TCH ratings for 2008 are 33City/34Hwy. The Prius? 48City/45Hwy.

    The new ratings for the 2007 Accord 4-cyl (regular) are 21/31. Accord Hybrid? 24/32. (Remember the new standards are coming online in 2008).

    Just an FYI for everyone.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    An accord diesel should be $22k.

    I hope you are right about that, but I wouldn't bet on it. With all the technology Honda had to put into this car (to make it burn clean enough for U.S. emissions), it may be the most expensive Accord yet. I guess if they made a bare bones model (VP) with the diesel, it may go for 22k.
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Posts: 992
    I do hope they go back to DX, LX, EX and SE! VP sounds weird. As long as the DX gets standard AC, Power windows and the other current VP features, i would be fine.

    I think we would see a diesel engine in the Lx, EX and SE trims. I shouldn't be too expensive because we should see that engine in the accord, Cr-v, element, TSX, and possibly CSX. A turbo for RDX and TSX maybe...

    Still, the cost of that engine will be well spread out!

    -Cj
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    On the street. Check them out on the "2008 Accord Coupe and Sedan" board.
  • biker4biker4 Posts: 746
    Those are estimates - the real numbers from Honda are unknown. There is no "new" rating for MY07 - they are what is printed on the window. Plus, you won't be able to compare 07 and 08 in the Accord since the engines will be different (along with other things).
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,447
    The 08 models will have the new ratings, but the numbers they would have recieved under the old system will also be on the sticker. Direct comparison will be possible.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Honda doesn't supply window-sticker numbers, biker4, no company does. Just the EPA.
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