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Buick Lucerne

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  • <<<What is this $995.00 paint job? Is GM charging EXTRA for painting their vehicles now?>>>

    As do Ford, Chrysler, Dodge, Toyota, etc. for certain paint colors on certain models. This isn't anything new, and hardly a "GM-only" phenomina.
  • This was one of those pearl gold metallics. It was fun to look at but I would not want to make payments for 5 years on it. I thought it was a little high and I think there is only one other color that is extra. I think the other colors are fine. I left with a nice brochure which included good color swatches. I am still raving about this car. I hope it does well for Buick.
  • rake2rake2 Posts: 120
    Actually, they charge for every color, if you go on the website to build your Lucerne. The bright red is less expensive than the rest, but the remaining colors are the same price, at least when I first checked it. Don't know why they don't just build it into the price of the car to avoid that type of negative perception.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    Sorry, could you explain that again? The Lucerne charges for the red tintcoat and the pearl white tricoat. These take very expensive paints and more processing in the plant. They are also harder to repair and get a good match.

    I do see there is an error on the base price and have sent a message to get it fixed.

    GM does not charge for standard paint. However many overseas companies charge for metallics (GM does not)
  • "GM does not charge for standard paint. However many overseas companies charge for metallic (GM does not)"

    Saab of GM does.

    I really like those 17" charcoal rims on the Lucerne. They should really make those the standard. I saw 2 with the base 16" wheels and they look really small, create a larger wheel gap and give the vehicle a "cheaper" feel.

    Just my thoughts.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    "GM does not charge for standard paint. However many overseas companies charge for metallic (GM does not)"

    Saab of GM does.


    Just went to the Saab site. They do not charge for standard paint. BUT they do charge for metallic just like most of the other Euro companies do. But you got me there since I still do not see Saab as a GM company. ( I know they are)
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    Absolutely the bigger wheels look better. But Avalon comes standard with 16's and only 17's are available. Lucerne gives you the option of 18's.
  • The wheels look great on this car. The stick out farther than most cars wheels. They stick out past the plane of the side windows a little.
  • but did not drive one today. I was at the dealer waiting for an oil change and my salesperson asked me if I wanted to take a Lucerne for a drive. I said no, not today. I drove a G6 GTP 6-spd instead. Really liked the G6. Seemed pretty fast and the manual was very good - shorter through than my GTO.

    Next time I will take a Lucerne out for a spin. I did sit in one and was very impressed. Interior seems of high quality and leather seats were very soft and comfortable. Still love the charcoal 17" wheels:)
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    The wheels look great on this car. The stick out farther than most cars wheels. They stick out past the plane of the side windows a little.

    Thank mr. Lutz for this. the engineers said it couldn't be done. Bob asked "who says?". those that said it found they could sharpen their pencils a little more and the tires moved out and filled up the wheel opening more.

    GM had a lot of specifications put together by all kinds of smart engineers who just wanted to make sure nothing ever went wrong. Add all that conservative engineering and you get a lot of compromises to styling among other things.
  • rake2rake2 Posts: 120
    It appears from the Buick website that they charge for every paint on the Lucerne. In fact, the red tintcoat is the least expensive, at about $500. All of the other ones are $995. Go to Buick and build your Lucerne to see what I mean.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,179
    The special paint check option is greyed out for the standard colors. It cannot be selected.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    I did. red tint coat and the pearl white is $995. What web site are you at?

    http://www.buick.com/byo/byoSelectStyle.bk?noType=0&make=Buick&zip=48226&originatingBrand=- lucerne&subModel=&makeId=004&model=Lucerne&subModelId=298&year=2006&modelId=095&pvc=421&iP- i=1&fPi=4&&newVehicle=true

    base price is $26,999, I chose the CXS which bumps the price to $35,990. Go to next page. Price jumps to $36,985 for no reason on a black car. This as I said before is an error and it is being investigated today. If you keep going though it stays at $36,985 for a black car. However if you pick one of the two special paints (red tintcoat or white pearl) you get a $500 rebate. All part of the error. Thanks for pointing this out and let me know if it does not get changed.
  • 62vetteefp - Do you work for GM? Just curious. My father did for 46 years.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    Used to but still feel like it since my wife is in the middle of all the stuff that is going on. But just about my entire family (extended, etc.) either does or has.
  • rake2rake2 Posts: 120
    I was looking at the same site. Looks like it was just part of the error referred to. In looking at some invoices of cars that are out, it does look like they don't charge the extra amount for most of the colors.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    Hopefully it will be fixed by tommorrow.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    I am having a Lucerne brought to my house for a test drive. Any questions or things any of you interested in that I should look for? Let me know.

    By the way the driver of the car has the CXL with V8 and is very impressed with it. Like the LaCrosse it does not ride like the Buicks of old (OK last years Buick's ;) ) and loves it. It does not have the magnetic ride control.

    I will check how the lack of tele column is. I am 5'10. But I will say that I know how GM sets the steering wheel position and with the manual tilt it is almost always perfect for my driving taste.
  • rake2rake2 Posts: 120
    See which on-star plan is on it. I see that they are actually providing the "directions and connections" plan w/ some of them. I was disappointed w/ the lack of a nav system in the early ones, and am curious as to see how well that alternative works. I'm hoping to find a CXS to buy in the next few weeks.

    I've sat in a few, and they seem fine for my 6'-3" body. I'm even able to sit in the back seat if the front seat is all the way back, although I don't think 3 adults my size would be all that comfortable.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,179
    >(OK last years Buicks...

    You may mean Buicks before 2000--the 2000 LeSabre is much different in ride than those before it. I have an 03. It's built on the same base as the Sevilles and ParkAvenues were. Completely different than the 98 LeSabre I have, even after Monroe strut replacements which improved the 98 greatly.

    Telescoping wheel:
    I sat in a 500 and Fusion with their version of telescoping wheel. They were odd because they pivot somewhere way down by the firewall so when tilting the wheel changing angle with the driver oddly. The telescope feature wasn't worth the odd steering wheel angles.

    In fact I don't recall that the 500's wheel telescoped. Maybe just the Fusion's.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    I mean all Buick's of the past except the LaCrosse. I see the Lucerne as a replacement for 5 cars. The Bonneville, the 98/88 and the LeSabre/Park. The CXS is a much better handling and firmer car than any Buick ever was but not as firm as the Bonneville. the CXL replaces the LeSabre/88/98 but will have a firmer more controlled ride. It will not be the boulevard ride of the past. But I need to drive and see how it is. It will not be a floaty car. I hear the magnetic ride is amazing. Perhaps that will be the most comfortable ride of all?

    Most foriegn cars tilt at the firewall. This is a much cheaper way of building them and you will see the newer, cheaper GM cars do it this way (G6). This is not the kind of wheel you tilt up every time you get out of the car. You set it once and leave it.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    The "Beyond precision" campaign is being created by McCann Erickson Worldwide, the agency that dreamt up the "Dream up" and Earl campaigns along with all other Buick campaigns since 1958. Although the budget for the campaign is not being disclosed, General Motors spends about $150
    million to $200 million each year to advertise Buick models in major media.

    The campaign is to begin on Monday with television commercials for the 2006 Lucerne sedan. Executives at Buick hope the Lucerne, which replaces two models, the LeSabre and Park Avenue, will steal sales from competitors like the Toyota Avalon.

    The initial commercials for the Lucerne take a confident tone, playing up features like quieter interiors and heated windshield-washer fluid, which are intended to woo the finicky target audience: affluent drivers ages 40
    to 60 with "high expectations," as Margaret Brooks, marketing director for Buick in Detroit, put it, "who demand proof to consider any product" before buying. (Currently, the average age of a Buick sedan driver is 63).
  • YES, thanks for noticing tilt wheels that tilt at the firewall. I hate them. I am 6' and have long legs. I don't think I could ever have a car that way. I checked the tilt of the Lucerne and it is the kind that pivots near the turn signal switch. I would rather have one like that than one with tilt and telescope that had a long pivot.
  • jb7227jb7227 Posts: 86
    Picking up my new CX Ming Blue w/cashmere on monday. Saw it today at the dealer. Very interested to hear how harmon/kardon stereo sounds, and how the CX rides. My dealer let me take a V6 CXL out for a test drive - very smooth ride - I can only imagine how smooth the CX is since supposedly it has the slightly softer FE1 suspension. Unlike some, I actually like the softer ride. My previous "benchmarks" for ride smoothness were my 2002 LeSabre and my 2003 Park Ave. MSRP on my car is $29230.00 - I paid $27600.00. Im sure I will be seeing the car for $2000 less in the spring, but that's the penalty one pays for wanting to be the first on the block. Dealer said I will be the first Lucerne sold; he has 15 on order and 3 others on the lot which came in with mine - 1 CXS and 2 CXL's. He feels that the CXS will be the big seller; I would assume the CXL V-8 will be the best seller. Interestingly, he said most CXL and CX buyers chose the 40/20/40 bench seat instead of the buckets. The cloth upholstery in the CX is much higher quality than my LeSabre Custom, and the headliner material feels like it came from a $ 50000 car. What a difference from the usual "mouse fur" headliner of the last few years. Let's hope for us Buick fans out there that the Lucerne is a huge hit!
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    Congrats.. let us know how you like it.
  • FYI - I had sent a feedback email at least two weeks ago to alert Buick to the paint-charge issue. I also indicated concern that there was no ability to build a CXL-V8 with heated windshield fluid or StabiliTrak. The brochure indicates this as possible, and I have seen at least the heated fluid optioned on one real Lucerne. One would think that somebody at Buick would have tried to build a car on their site and have noticed the problem(s). Or at least reacted in response to feedback that they actually solicit at the bottom of the page. It's not so much important as it is irritating. On the other hand, it's not great marketing strategy to let people build cars on that site that indicate a cost $1K higher than it should. I know GM has problems, but doesn't anyone test this stuff?

    On a more positive note, I think the Lucerne looks great in the flesh - I haven't had the chance to sit in or drive one yet, and look forward to everyone's mini-reviews. My dealer is indicating that they are only ordering the bench seat version because "that's what the LeSabre customer wants". Oh my.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    Unfortunately GM is a big company and has many layers. They also get hundreds of emails. Not an excuse. I will find out what the issue is and get back with you.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,179
    Sat in a couple today. The interior is tightly fitted. The feel of the seats is good. I liked the looks of the black Northstar CXL model with the chrome wheels! The dealer doesn't have any CXS in yet.

    The shape of the car is beautiful without the piggish look of the avalon since it's built on a narrower-looking base--it looks like a Camry again with a larger car plumped up on top of it. The weird taillights look strange on avalon. The taillights on Lucerne look great. It just doesn't look like Buick taillights anymore!!! Guess it's the new Buick.
  • sv7887sv7887 Posts: 351
    Hi all,
    Everything I've read about the Lucerne has been good so far. I only have one question: When will it have the 6 speed? It's great to have people on this board sharing their first hand experiences!

    I wish I could get one, but my wife will kill me. I just bought a Ls430 last year, and there is no way she's going to let me get another car! I probably could post on the chronic car buyers anonymous board too!

    Looks like GM has given us a winner this time!
    SV
  • Just a note for you guys... I just picked up my black on black Lucerne CXS. It has every option except the cooled seats (wasnt ordered with them) :confuse: . This car is OUTSTANDING!!! I traded in a 2001 Audi A6 2.7t with the sport package for this car. The handling of this car is ON PAR with my AUDI which says ALOT for a buick!! As far as build quality... the interior fit and finish is everybit as good as my audi was and the car has a much better ride!! The car is INFINITELY more quiet than any car i test drove in (NEW A6, new avalon, Es330)!! I can't believe I own and American car again!! Its that good!! The v-8 rumble won me over against the avalon and a6 :D . The car is everybit as fast as any of the others as well! Plus the price (my brother is a gm emply) at 34700 plus tax was great to boot. Even at 38000 msrp the car is a great value compared to the others!! As you can tell I'm very excited about this car.. First american car i've owned in ten years... :shades:

    Take care guys!!
    bob
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