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Toyota Tacoma vs Nissan Frontier

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  • badnessbadness Posts: 242
    when your grow up what do you want to be ,and adult!!!!
  • The only #1 for Frontier is price, you get what you pay for. You mention fully boxed
    frame yet towing and payload are less for the frontier. You mention 4 wheel disk brakes but the tacoma will stop quicker. You mention tighter and firmer handling for the frontier but the tacoma has faster slalom times. It looks to me like the heavy frame on the frontier has hurt performance not helped.

    I have a 1998 frontier good truck tacomas are better
  • toykicktoykick Posts: 104
    theres two things on the Tacoma Manual... Suggested & recommended

    All of Toyotas vehicles have these two in their manuals...

    Suggested 87

    recommended 91

    Read any toyota manual and you will realize why a lot of people think the tacoma should only run on 91... its so damn retarded but people like C&D always find ways to screw things up.

    the manual basically says 87 is ok but for better performance and longitivity use 91 or above... The tundras manual says the same thing... and so does the rest of the toyota and lexus line up...
  • It has always been my understanding that drum brakes work just fine as long as they do not get hot nor wet. It is in these two areas that the disc brakes excel.

    With my type of driving I'll probably rarely face these situations, but I am glad for the disc brakes never the less.

    OkieScot
  • To me longevity would be the key word in your post. That would be the thing that I would
    question. The Tacoma has plenty of power for me no matter what octane fuel used. I
    would only wonder how the different grades of fuel would affect the longevity of the Tacoma.

    I do not own a Tacoma, but I probably would be driving one instead of my Frontier if the
    dealer had not been so hard to deal with.

    Well, I have to admit that inspite of some people saying how ugly my Frontier is I actual-
    ly prefer its looks to the Tacoma. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

    My mother once told me when I was dating a girl in my younger years, "love goes where
    it is sent even if it is up a horses behind". She did not like the girl and no I did not marry that girl.

    OkieScot
  • time2time2 Posts: 25
    I imagine the faster stopping, quicker slalom, quicker 0-60 have something to do with the lighter overall weight of the Taco. I suppose that plactic bed in the Taco and lighter partially boxed framed reduces the weight.

    As a matter of principle, I'd still choose four wheel disk brakes over rear drums every time. I'd still prefer a heavier more powerful truck with a steel bed and fully boxed frame if given the choice. After test driving both I found the handling of the Frontier to be much more predictable, firm, and pleasureable than the Taco.

    As for magazine articles, I've found with most products, they tend to just follow the established trends. In the case of the new Frontier vs. Tacoma, you need to do your own thinking. Faster 0-60 and slalom times are less important to me than the build quality and real-world handling of the truck. Your list of priorities may be different.
  • toykicktoykick Posts: 104
    Who said the bed is plastic ? lol well as for built quality, Time will only tell. Keep in mind the Frontier is also small in other places and lacks the options the tacoma has...

    so heres a few things the tacoma does a bit better then the frontier( proven )

    1. Acceleration
    2. MPG
    3. Offroading ( better Approach and departure Angle)
    4 Higher towing Cap(without 4.10+ gears)
    5. Bigger inside and out( wider and longer then the Frontier)
    6. Better Government crash test results

    To keep in perspective how big the tacoma is (C&D tested)... The Double Cab long bed tacoma has a 140.+ wheelbase The Crew Cab Nissan Titan has a 139.+ wheelbase.. :surprise:

    C&D tested the long bed version of the tacoma... Its kinda logical your going to get sloppy handling from a truck that is so long... whats also funny is the Acceleration time... 7.1 for the longbed tacoma and best average MPG
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    lol kinda makes you think what kinda times an Access Cab can get
  • toykicktoykick Posts: 104
    lol dont know if any of you guys have checked out toyotas website, They revealed the new 06 rav 4 v6 which has 268hp lol and yep thats not SAE ratings... talk about a big HP gain...

    consider this thread hijacked.... :mad:
  • toykicktoykick Posts: 104
    oops last post in wrong forum...
  • time2time2 Posts: 25
    The acceleration is really a moot point, unless you're a 16 year old street racing your 16 year old buddies. Everyone who dives a VQ4.0 Frontier has been more than impressed with the acceleration.

    MPG? On regular or Toyota's recommended 91 octane? I'm getting 21 with my Frontier CC auto transmission. I doubt if the Tacomas are getting enough better to brag about. Then there's the less horsepoewr and 91 octane issue. Hmmmm.

    Offroading. Well I'l take the better ground clearance og the Frontier, I'm not an "off roader" in the pure sense, but I like to drive through dirt roads when hunting or in our big snowfalls to get to work here in the north country. Scaling boulders I don't need those numbers. Higher ground clearance is a real-world measurement from which I benefit.

    Higher towing? My Frontier has more than enough towing for my 2500 pound boat. Really, who among use with these truck tows 5000+ pounds anyway. Moot point again. . Truthfully, when I have a steep boat landing I enjoy my Frontier's greater horsepower for pulling my boat out. That's more important type of towing power for my needs.

    Bigger inside and out? Hmmm. When we test drove the Taco we both seemed to sense less leg and head room than the Frontier. The Frontier just felt roomier and the seats were designed better with a better sitting position. The Frontier has great seats!

    Government crash tests? OK, you can have that one. Maybe the lighter Tacoma with the plastic bed and partially boxed frame just crashes softer than the Frontier.

    But, long bed or not, the Taco we test drove felt very sloopy and mushy handling. It actually felt like we were going to tip over when we took sharp turns.

    I am totally happy and impressed with my Frontier EVERY time I see it or step inside. As long as you guys like your Tacos, well, who cares. We're all happy. Right?
  • I just love to read all trolls & B.S about Tacoma. I'm glad I bough my 2.7 four cylinder 05 Prerunner and comparable Nissan Frontier XE nothing but piece of junk against my Toy!
  • toykicktoykick Posts: 104
    lol - ok if you say so... but these are #s which the tacoma does better... all of which you mention and added an opinion to... i get a kick out of people making up crap... these are facts... not opinions...

    plus this thread is called Tacoma vs. Frontier...
    If you dont care about it. Dont post.
  • I really like my Frontier, but there is one thing I'd add; a telescoping steering wheel. If the Tacoma has one, that may be something a potential buyer should consider.
  • time2time2 Posts: 25
    Toykid, my opinions are real-world vs. your rag magazine write up. I prefer to base decisions on real world adavantages. You can have the 0-60 time type "facts" to go with the plastic bed and drum brake facts.

    Face it, the Frontier kicks the Tacoma's butt, and you know it. You might want to trade up to a Frontier before your Taco has too many miles.
  • toykicktoykick Posts: 104
    Rag magazine? lol last time i checked i didnt know The government made mags nor JD powers, which is a bench mark for car manufacturers. Plus the tacomas bed isnt just "plastic" it has a inner layer of steel inside... lets see sheet metal vs. steel? ( oh yeah what you call plastic is actually stronger & lighter then sheet metal & steel)... Plus if i would trade in i would be down grading... since nissan has a worst resale value vs. honda and toyota...

    so much for built quality...
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  • toykicktoykick Posts: 104
    ok so your truck is better because its heavier? hmmm 15mpg city 21 hwy isnt much better then most V8 1/2 ton trucks out there... plus the Frontier did worst then the tacoma in government crash tests... i'll rather take the truck with the best power to weight ratio... It out performs the frontier in almost every category.

    plus the Engine doesnt rattle at 2k rpms like the frontier and doesnt have any issues with the bed... like the frontier :P

    oh yeah if you think your bed can withstand more then the tacomas...then you should

    get one of these
    image

    Go to a 05 tacomas bed hit it your hardest with this sledge hammer... see how much damage you've done...

    Then do the same with your Frontiers bed and tell us what happens :surprise:
  • ustazzafustazzaf Posts: 311
    Everyone blabs about how rear discs are better than rear drums on a daily driver vehicle that is not. Can anyone tell me why REAR discs are better? I know why they are better for me. I can charge more to change them out because they have the e-brake integrated into the caliper, which can be a real pain sometimes to work on depending on the model. I do know the benefit, I just want to see the crazy answers out there.
  • badnessbadness Posts: 242
    their are both good trucks but!!
    why did the Toy. have to be so dame money hungry ,look at Nissan Toy REPS. and learn,give you buyers more for their buck like Nissan did.I hate Toy Reps, Ex >well Mr. John Doe this cost that and this cost that and weren't giving you much but you have to buy that,Come on Toy Jump on the Nissan wagon and give your Costmer more for thier $$$I feel bad for Toy. owners they deserve to be treated better,give them deals allready.Or just tell them to Nissan dealer down the street!They will be treated better.....
  • badnessbadness Posts: 242
    their are both good trucks but!!
    why did the Toy. have to be so dame money hungry ,look at Nissan Toy REPS. and learn,give you buyers more for their buck like Nissan did.I hate Toy Reps, Ex >well Mr. John Doe this cost that and this cost that and we aren't giving you much, but you have to buy that,Come on Toy Jump on the Nissan wagon and give your Costmer more for thier $$$I feel bad for Toy. owners they deserve to be treated better,give them deals allready.Or just tell them to go too the Nissan dealer down the street!They will be treated better.....

    Go Yanks! :)
  • The Taco does have a telescoping steering column, but it's there more for a gimmic than actual function. The Fronteir, especially with the power seats that you get from the leather package, has A LOT more room "under" the wheel for you knees & legs.

    I've joined this discussion late but have been following it quite a bit. I'm in the market for a midsize truck and have really done a lot of test drives of the Tacoma (05 & 06 models) and the Frontier (05 model).

    Here's what I think is a fairly objective break down of the pro/cons of each vehicle -

    Tacoma -
    Pro's:

    1) LONG BED OPTION!!!! Nissan seriously screwed up by not carrying over this option that the previous Fronty's had.

    2) Slightly more comfortable back seats in the quad cab model

    3) Power outlet option in the bed is very cool

    4) More upscale interior with better quality materials in use

    5) Bed appeared to be better and easier to clean for *modest* uses...picking up bags of mulch from Home Depot, grabbing some paving stones for around the garden, grabbing plants from the greeen house, ect.

    6) A *slight* gas milage edge of the Tacoma...at least with the now lower powered '06 models. 21MPG vs 20MPG in the Fronty's.

    Tacoma Cons:

    1) Expensive. Expensive. Expensive. And the option bundles are terrible. You have to spend $1500 just to get cruise control. Shouldn't that be standard on a $25,000 vehicle? Nissan makes you buy a $1000 package to get it, but the Frontier still has a $1000 price advatange comparing an Automatic 4WD Quad Cab Frontier SE with the power package to an Automatic 4WD Quad Cab short bed Tacoma with the SR5 Option package #2.

    2) No where the options available - Frontier offers leather, heated & power seats. Sun roof. A very nice rail system built into the floor of the bed. MP3 capability, ect.

    3) Back seat fold up in the frontier is better thought out. Flips up and out of the way easier than the Tacoma does.

    4) Front seat space is much worse in the Tacoma - the steering wheel doesn't tilt up and out of the way of my knees well enough and I feel a little cramped. The seats also lack the manual adjustment of the Frontier and it is completely outlcassed when the power seats on the Fronty LE w/ the leather package are brought into the game. The lack of a dead pedal is also a disappointment...as is Toyota's insistance in putting the parking brake so low and right above where the dead pedal *should* be. I wear a size 13 and find my foot getting caught up in the parking brake at times.

    5) Road noise was much worse on the Tacoma. The '05 I drove was almost deafening at 65MPH. The '06 Model seemed to be quite a bit better. It has nothing on the near vault like quietness of the Fronty cabin.

    6) The "butt dyno" says that the Tacoma comes up lame in power compared to the Fronty. You can spout 0-60 times all you want and maybe things would be a bit different if the thing had more than 15 miles on the clock and I could wind it up a bit more...but the Tacoma just felt much, much slower than the Frontier. From a stop, at highway speeds, whenever...the Frontier just seemed to pull so much better than the Tacoma.

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    Frontier Pro's:

    1) Cheaper (can get basic options for less)

    2) More leg & head room

    3) Very handy bed rail system with a *true* steel frame box bed that probably can bear more heavy weight than the Tacoma

    4) Butt dyno says the Frontier is quicker in most driving situations

    5) Better ride comfort - road noise is much lower and the overall ride is smoother (Granted I was test driving a TRD packaged Taco)

    6) Slightly more function flip up back seat

    Cons:

    1) Lack of long bed...and this is really the *ONLY* thing stopping me from buying a Frontier. I just feel I'm going to regret getting a 5' bed instead of a 6' one.

    2) Lower quality of materials and cheaper feeling interior

    3) More gas hungry...but not by much

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    By all accounts, I think the Frontier is the better vehicle assuming you have no interest/need for the longer bed that is available with the Tacoma. There are obviously some subjective things like styling and brand bias that come into play. And some not so subjective things that will just take a bit to show up - long term reliablity and resale values.

    The Fronty is more comfortable, felt more powerful, was more pleasant at highway speeds, and ultimately is cheaper for the options I want. Just without a long bed :(

    But, I've got a Toyota Highlander parked in my garage right now, and had a Camry before that and Toyota has never wronged me...so I have an obvious pull to the Taco for those reasons. I think ultimately the resale value on the Toyota will remain higher over the years...but it's also more expensive up front.

    I have zero intents of taking the vehicles off road for anything more than a dirt trail or a bit of open pasture to get to some fishing holes or to some camp sites...so ultimate off road worthiness isn't a big issue to me. Ride comfort and functionality are.
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