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Toyota Tacoma vs Nissan Frontier

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  • driver56driver56 Posts: 408
    I keep my eyes peeled in anticipation, but don't expect anything to change for the 07's except for minor tweaks. Perhaps a new exterior colour? My plan is to deal this fall or Winter of 06/07.
  • hpia4v2hpia4v2 Posts: 62
    Thanks.
    But I don't like the look of ridgeline at all. I am also looking at Titan (due to $2250 rebate on crew-cab) but will probably still settle eith Tacoma. It fits my need on a truck better.
  • badnessbadness Posts: 242
    ok,thanks man.
  • badnessbadness Posts: 242
    If you choose Toy,keep in mind you better have a trade in or some money to put down,since Toy want even give their GRANDMOTHER A DEAL!!but what every you chose goodluck!!!
  • saddaddysaddaddy Posts: 566
    Find a Titan message board on the net, and you will see what mfg is slacking on engineering and quality control. It ain't Toyota!

    This is not to say the the Tacoma is better than the frontier, just stating my opinion that NO Toyota truck has ever had the severe problems seen in the Titan (ie, burnt up rearends and brake problems). For the record, I like the Titans ALOT.
  • "Thanks.
    But I don't like the look of ridgeline at all. I am also looking at Titan (due to $2250 rebate on crew-cab) but will probably still settle eith Tacoma. It fits my need on a truck better."

    "This is not to say the the Tacoma is better than the frontier, just stating my opinion that NO Toyota truck has ever had the severe problems seen in the Titan (ie, burnt up rearends and brake problems). For the record, I like the Titans ALOT."

    A good friend had one of the first Titans with brake problems, etc. Despite the problems he ended up getting a new Titan anyway, i.e., for him the good outweighed the bad.

    It's interesting that the Frontier is built on a modified Titan platform (as is Xterra, Pathfinder, Armada), but Titan seems to have the worst reputation. For the record, my 05 Frontier NISMO CC with 24,000 miles has been one of the most reliable vehicles I have ever owned.

    Tacoma was my first choice when I started shopping 05's back in late 04, but all four Tacomas I test drove had quality / mechanical problems, such as leaking manifolds and 4wd engagement problems. Those were early production models, so maybe by now some of those bugs are out.

    Aside from that, I didn't care for Tacoma's premium fuel recommendation, difficult to fold back seat, and lo-hanging exhaust for off-roading.

    Frontier is not perfect either. It's biggest problem is the left-outside mirror will not position far enough to the left to eliminate the blind-spot caused by the B-pillar. Also, the front of the rear fenders get terrible road-rash from the front tires despite having factory mud-flaps.

    I guess the point is none are perfect, and some have better strengths and weaknesses in certain areas than others. Take it all with a grain of salt and choose what seems best for you. Happy shopping and good luck.
  • driver56driver56 Posts: 408
    One part does not make a whole. I don't know what the actual stats are on the Titan, but I'm sure that Nissan will remedy any shortcomings. Apparently Toyota did with the early model Tundra's brake issues.
    I cannot believe that Nissan would be slacking in any way,shape,or form, but I do believe that Toyota may
    be living it up a tad on their reputation. That, as you know, can go a long way.
    I am not convinced that Toyota put their best efforts into the Tacoma and I believe that Nissan did with the new Frontier. The new Tacoma is an improvement over the old, but the new Frontier in comparison to the outgoing is light years ahead.
    My humble opinion.
  • toykicktoykick Posts: 104
    As For Toyota As a whole on "quality" its doing pretty Well. Nissan right now is below industry average and below Ford in initial quality. Which means Ford is putting out more Vehicles with Less problems with first 3 months of Ownership... Nissan as Whole is doing worst then toyota in initial Quality& dependability. As a matter of fact Toyota last year outdid Honda And Acura in Initial Quality which is surprising.

    The Tacoma in my opinion still has a lot of bugs that need to be fixed.. So The Frontier is the better pick in this category. The only thing holding it back is resale value. Most nissans depreciate quicker then Honda and Toyota. This Year the Tacoma got Kelly blue books best compact truck. The tacoma has been on that list for a while, maybe next year the Frontier might take away that spot or the Ridgeline.
  • ustazzafustazzaf Posts: 311
    There is nothing confusing about the transfer case dial in either the Tacoma or Frontier. It ain't rocket science. Really, some of us can even shift transfer case levers and lock/unlock manual hubs, change our own oil, too.

    The fact I reported is that the Tacoma's dial did not want to work despite many attempts, and the Frontier's worked perfectly, first try. No insinuations about females necessary.

    If you are smitten with your Tacoma, it's OK to just say that.


    The fact is that there is not a problem with the trucks shifting. There is a problem with people that don't know how to do it. I tried to shift between high and low several times with very little success until I figured out that you need to put the clutch ALL THE WAY to the floor before switching. Then it worked every time. Read the directions and you too will have success if you even own or have driven a Toyota.
  • saddaddysaddaddy Posts: 566
    Again, I am a fan of both trucks being discussed here -- completely objective.

    "I don't know what the actual stats are on the Titan, but I'm sure that Nissan will remedy any shortcomings. "

    Response: That was assumed when the problems began on 04 models, however, they persist on present 06 versions as well. ??
  • "The fact is that there is not a problem with the trucks shifting. There is a problem with people that don't know how to do it. I tried to shift between high and low several times with very little success until I figured out that you need to put the clutch ALL THE WAY to the floor before switching. Then it worked every time. Read the directions and you too will have success if you even own or have driven a Toyota."

    The 05 Tacomas I personally had 4x4 problems with, as well as the problems reported by various magazines and websites, were automatics. In my case the vehicles went to the service department for repair and I went and bought a Frontier.
  • eaglegeagleg Posts: 87
    I have an 05 Tacoma D/C L/B TRD Sport 4X4 5spd auto and have never experienced any problems going into 4 wheel drive.If you're going over 65 mph it won't go because it's not supposed to.Low range you have to stop,just like it says on the visor.It's a no brainer!Enjoy your Nissan.
  • toykicktoykick Posts: 104
    The Tacoma should already have all the bugs fixed by 06-07 most first year trucks have issues.

    Theres more then Two times the amount of Tacomas on the road then Frontiers so that might explain the amount of complaints vs. the fronty.
  • driver56driver56 Posts: 408
    Point well taken Toykick. There are more Tacomas out there, which in relative terms, would explain why there might be more complaints. The "bugs" you refer to (in the Tacomas} are just minor annoyances. Ditto for the Frontier. And here is a thought for you. I have never owned a vehicle that behaved the way the stats (surveys, J.D. Power, Consumer Reports} suggested it would. I have always kept an eye on these, but know full well that it just aint' science.
  • driver56driver56 Posts: 408
    Then the Titan is a bit of a dog isn't it?
  • driver56driver56 Posts: 408
    No doubt, Toyota builds quality. Remember though, the industry average for quality is now elevated compared to yesteryear. The "best" for initial quality is really only slightly ahead of the "worst" when you take a good look at it. Say perhaps, for the sake of argument, that one company has 1.5 problems per 100 vehicles as opposed to another having 4 problems per 100 vehicles. That is not a big discrepancy, but it can sure look like it on paper.
    As far as depreciation goes, it matters not to me. Again, these vehicles are within a few percentage points of each other and it's all figured into the overall price of ownership (a non-appreciative investment). Furthermore, the average automobile is not going to cost an arm or a leg.
  • toykicktoykick Posts: 104
    True.. Nissan right now has 120 problems for every 100 vehicles.

    Acura 116 per 100 & honda 112 per 100, toyota 105 per 100..

    Lexus has the least problems with 81 per 100.

    Lexus has been on top of that list for more then 10 years.

    a little reflects a lot considering theres hundred thousands - million vehicles produced by some of these car manufacturers each year.
  • driver56driver56 Posts: 408
    You are showing the actual 2005 stats Toykick, but you get my drift. The competition is certainly there. I mean, look at the refinement of your average Lexus - one of the most, if not the most, refined vehicles out there. In my opinion, Suzuki, on the bottom of the quality list, is not that far behind anymore. Would I buy one? I doubt it seriously. But not for reasons of initial quality. Also consider the price difference.
    The gap is closing and we're all winners.
  • ustazzafustazzaf Posts: 311
    I think the initial quality stats are distorted at best, probably flat out bogus. Look at the vehicles that have decent initial quality, but end up in the junk yard at 100K compared to the ones that are barely broke in at 100K. If I spend 40K for a vehicle with all the bells and whistles, I won't expect any rattles, squeaks or things that I perceive as problems. However if I spend 7995 for a new Huyndai, I expect a little less quality. Chances are the 40K truck will see it's way back to the dealer long before the Hyundai even though they both have the same rattle. Plus, the 40K vehicle is going to have 3 times as many bells and whistles that can malfunction. If they compared only items that they all have in common like tires, trannys, engines, ect... you may see a vast difference between the top and bottom.
  • toykicktoykick Posts: 104
    Your totally right thats why JD power also has the dependability study... problems with first 3 years of ownership.

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    " The study, which measures problems experienced by original owners of 3-year-old (2002 model-year) vehicles, provides useful information to both consumers and the automotive industry on long-term vehicle quality. For consumers, the VDS offers insight into the reliability and dependability of brands and specific models as they approach the end of a typical warranty period. Manufacturers use this information to track the quality performance of their models over time to implement product improvement plans."

    i value your opinion but The initial Quality is very helpful to all car manufacturers... I wouldnt call these ratings Bogus since This is a bench mark for car manufacturers.. All car manufacturers rely on JD power & associates ratings to compare their vehicles reliability and quality vs. the competition...
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