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What vehicle(s) did you trade (or sell) for your hybrid or diesel?



  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,845
    Can someone please explain why "handling" is an issue in a 4 door family sedan?

    Certainly, a car that goes 0-60 in less than 7 seconds should be able to stop and corner equally as well. Or is the HAH just for the dragstrip?

    The poster said he missed his Passat. I was curious what he missed. Or is that off subject?
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    quote gagrice-"Certainly, a car that goes 0-60 in less than 7 seconds should be able to stop and corner equally as well."-end quote

    Stop and Corner as well as what? Other 4 door family sedans which are that fast and which also cost $32K and are rated 37 MPG hwy? Which cars are those?
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    2005 Accord seems to handle just fine:

    "Its suspension smooths out bumps and ripples in the road, but isn't so mushy that your back-seat passengers get motion sickness. When pushed hard, it's balanced and fun to drive. We found it inspired confidence at high speeds on winding roads. It's smooth, poised and supremely stable. "

    From this page: - cord&ReviewID=1628
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,845
    Stop and Corner as well as what? Other 4 door family sedans which are that fast and which also cost $32K and are rated 37 MPG hwy? Which cars are those?

    The Passat beats all those criteria except the 0-60. So I guess if your thing is street racing the HAH is your car. Another poster is taking delivery on a Passat TDI with leather for $26k today. He will get an honest 37 mpg without driving like an old woman. And he has loads more room than the HAH. No brainer in my book.
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Well, if you want to pollute more, break down more often, and depreciate faster, then yes it is a no brainer to go with the Passat.

    Really, though, if you want a commuter car for basic commuting, the HAH is a better choice. If you do a lot of travel involving carrying lots of luggage, or if your commute is 75-80 mph on a good open road, the TDI would probably be a better fit.

    But it would still pollute more and depreciate faster than the HAH.
  • SylviaSylvia Posts: 1,636
    If you want to talk handling, please take it to the main HAH discussion. This isn't the place for that sub-topic.

  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,845
    But it would still pollute more and depreciate faster than the HAH

    you are right on the pollution and the TDI is a proven high resale the HAH is not. I just stopped by the Ford/VW dealer yesterday and asked about any used VW TDI cars. They get maybe one every two months and have a list to call. He wishes they could sell the new ones as VW gas cars are slow movers.

    HAH handling according to Edmund's:
    Cons: Tepid handling, brakes should be more powerful.

    Moderately warm; lukewarm.
    Lacking in emotional warmth or enthusiasm; halfhearted

    In other words mediocre.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,845
    I was curious what the poster missed about his Passat that he traded for a HAH. Kind of got to debating the two cars, sorry.....
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    I too am curious as to what the poster "misses" about his Passat?

    Here is what that poster said in his profile:

    "I'll unload this PASSAT as soon as my HAH arrives and say sayonara to German cars. When you're as old as I am, time has become too precious to spend it sitting in a car dealer's waiting room."

    So he was apparently tired of the Passat being in the shop so much, HMMMMMMM ????
  • 320,000 mile Dodge Shadow

    (sounded like a diesel, it was so old)
  • joebeattjoebeatt Posts: 50
    Subaru Legacy 2.5 wagon (1997). Average fuel consumption of 28 mpg. I liked it a lot because of it's reliability.

    I also own a Volvo XC/70. I get 21 mpg, with my style of driving.

    So far my Prius has given me 49 mpg, but I only have driven 700 miles with it and at the moment it's still on winter tires.
  • karkuskarkus Posts: 11
    My old Integra hatchback was a reliable, sporty car that got over 30 MPG (but only because I coasted in neutral in the mountains a lot), and we sold it to get a Prius last year.

    Prius has averaged 48 MPG over 24000 miles (yes, I keep a detailed log). In the summer getting 50 MPG is easy, but the cold weather and reduced energy content "winter gasoline" makes it go down to ~46 MPG in the winter. By the way, I observed the same trend in the Integra - it happens to all cars.

    Despite the fact that I really liked my Integra, I have NO regrets about selling it. The PRIUS rocks! I used to be a firm believer in stick-shift cars (and I still don't like automatics) but the Prius variable transmission is so SMOOTH and easy to drive that I don't miss the stick at all.

    We also have an 1994 Nissan Pickup (22MPG) , but the yearly miles we put on it dropped from ~10000 to 1000 last year, so that's a huge gas savings.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,845
    I never trade in a vehicle, that is the best way to lose money on a car. I really like my new Passat Wagon TDI. The Suburban does not get much road time since we got the Passat. I want to make sure that the VW TDI is what I want, then I will sell the Suburban to my neighbor. I will probably buy a 10 year old beater PU to pull my utility trailer and haul the big stuff. The TDI in the Passat has so much torque (247 ft. lbs.) that the hills around here are not even a challenge. My wife never drove anything but the Lexus. Now she takes the Passat. The handling reminds her of the 928 & 911 Porsche's she had for a while. Very smooth power. I have not gone over 3500 RPM's, just not needed. Cruises at 80 MPH with the tach sitting at 2400 RPM. If you want a soft squishy ride like a Camry or Accord don't get the 17" wheels and Michelins.
  • Having an R.V. I needed a vehicle that I could pull behind for secondary transportation. Finding an R.V. friendly car led to 3 different tow-friendly 4WD Suzuki's over the last 3 yrs. Since the settling down period of buying a new house and awareness of fuel costs on the rise, we decided to investigate the Prius and found it to be everything the critics said of the hybrid. Now with close to 20K miles I am convinced that not only did we buy a car for our needs but a car for THESE TIMES. By the way...the 4 cly. Suzukis got 25 mpg's while our Prius has been consistant in the upper 40's to lower 50's. Winters drop to low 40's due to severe weather conditions.
    Railroadjames(happy hybrid :) )
  • z28_sedanz28_sedan Posts: 18
    ...You end up paying a huge "convenience charge" (several thousand $$$ in most cases) by trading in instead of selling. I bought my Jetta TDI with no trade-in and am trying to decide if I want to sell my '96 Caprice or just keep both of them.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,845
    Having an R.V. I needed a vehicle that I could pull behind for secondary transportation.

    Have you towed the Prius yet? If so did you use a tow bar or one of those little trailers that the front wheels ride in?
  • flj168flj168 Posts: 12
    Last year I donated my 1986 Volvo 240 wagon to Goodwill after I purchased a used 7k mile 2003 Prius for $17,388 plus tax and license. A few months later the car was worth $3k more than what I had paid for! I even received a letter for Toyota of Santa Monica to purchase the car at a top price,,, sight unseen.

    I certain won't miss the noisy brakes and mufflers on our 1986 Volvo. Also, goodbye high repair and parts prices!
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    You overpaid for a 2003 Prius. If you thought Volvo parts prices were high, wait until you see Prius prices. You should have bought an 04 or later Prius with an extended warranty. That's the only way I am going to buy mine.
  • Ah! Yes! Towing the Prius, you ask! Well, The manual and dealer seem to be in agreement that it be towed only by a dealer..... unless you have an emergancy. Well, I see it this way. According to the general concensus, I see no reason why it could not be tow'd frount wheels up. I think, in time, there will be options for RVers to transport the hybrid. If not, I'll get creative. We'll see.
    Culliganman( Prius to the resque)
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,845
    RVers to transport the hybrid

    Will the rear wheels turning cause regenerative charging of the batteries. And can that be reason they should not be towed? Or are the rear wheels used for regenerative braking/charging?
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