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Saturn Aura

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  • one2oneone2one Posts: 626
    All say pretty much the same thing; just different shots. The second link actually says more than the cut-n-paste press release that most sites have posted. The first link has large hi-res shots.

     

    http://www.fast-autos.net/saturn/saturnaura.html

     

    http://canadianautopress.auto123.com/en/info/prototype/view.spy?a- - - rtid=34160&make=Saturn

     

    http://www.automobilemag.com/auto_shows/naias_2005/0501_saturn_au- - - ra/

     

    http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_detroit/saturn/aura/p- - - ages/1.htm
  • nextmoonnextmoon Posts: 386
    According the the current issue of Motortrend mag, Saturn is being positioned to move upscale and take the place of the Oldsmobile slot. Even the model names are similiar - Aurora and Aura.

    I'd suspect a similiar hike in price to.
  • What was point then to kill Olds? I remember they said it has been sqeezed out by Pontiac and Buick.
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    This car is also a potential Intrigue replacement for me though I still want to keep my Olds for another 3-4 years. I share the same fear as you do and I do expect some changes in the production, I just hope they are minor as I like the car as is. The CTS and maybe the Allure are the only other GM cars I would consider so I was very surprised and pleased to see the Aura. I will be following this story closely.
  • I really like this car a lot from what we have seen so far. I am not real fond of the two tone interior, but that's me. The real thing that I want to know is the pricing on the new models. If they try to move up market they will move right out of where I am buying from. I'm hoping that they will keep the price low to attract more buyers to the brand as they try to rebuild. Now if there was only a Saturn dealer less than an hour and twenty mins away...
  • one2oneone2one Posts: 626
    I have read reports that the Aura will cost between $21,500 and $27,500. That would put it squarely in the spot the Intrigue occupied.

     

    I actually think dropping Oldsmobile and keeping Saturn was the right move (as much as it pained me to admit since I'm on my second Intrigue and love/d my cars).

     

    Both Saturn and Oldsmobile were doing poorly in sales. The key was the customer base. Olds' loyal customers were getting up in years; Saturn's were younger, lent themselves to imports and very loyal. Both targeted import buyers who also are younger. So, if I had to make a decision to can one, it would be the one with less of a chance to capture this customer base - thus Oldsmobile would have to go.
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    I agree, GM had 1 too many divisions and now that I see Intrigue like vehicles coming from Saturn, I feel a little better about the death of Olds. I still think both divisions could have been saved with better marketing and Olds quality but there isn't much point in going on about it.

     

    I read in the new Motor Trend Aura will have the new 2.4L 170 hp VVT as a base motor. They also go on to say it's main target is the Acura TL. The 3.6L will come with auto only while the 2.4L will have a standard transmission option.

     

    Even if it's a little smaller than my Intrigue (which i suspect it will be), I see this as a strong replacement contender.
  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 4,171
    The TL offers a stick with its high-output (and only) engine. I might be interested in one if the 2.4L / stick shift is available with *all* the nice options, and if the 2.4L is a smooth runner. I haven't read enough reviews to know if this is the case.

    Basically, if they can make something that drives like a Passat and is as reliable as an Accord, I'll bite.

    As far as the Red Line version, anything beyond the 250 hp range in a FWD car is on the edge of sanity, even with StabiliTrak. Perhaps it will feature all wheel drive.
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    I would go for a 3.6L Aura only if it wasn't priced like a Caddy CTS. GM (and other makers also) have a habit of really pricing higher end models at a big premium. The 2.4L would be fine for me though I would go auto, too much traffic in the Toronto area for a stick.

    :-(
  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 4,171
    The interior looks to be the equal of VW/Audi in the photos; not close, not "on par," but in fact equal. This is a very good thing, and the first mainstream car GM has done this well. The two-tone in the concept is hot, although it would still look impressive in one color.

    As someone else posted, it appears the Aura has red rear turn signals. They could be amber ones in disguise, though. Even if they're red, I doubt if they're the same lamps as the brake lamps, although this is also allowed under the current (stupid) US law. The old Chevrolet S10/Blazer and GMC Sonoma/Jimmy had the all-in-one red lamps. Audi, Toyota, Nissan, and Honda have all been guilty of using red instead of amber rear turn signals in some models, even though in their home markets, amber ones are required. I will concede that making the entire taillamp red may be more aesthetically pleasing than having an orange portion, but using a clear lens near the backup lamp with an amber bulb will have the same effect. Bottom line, this is just a stupid habit that all the manufacturers (except some of the Europeans) practice in the US because it's allowed. There are guys here who put European market taillamps on their Corvettes, and I would probably put them on my Aura.

    Didn't realize the automatic is a six-speed. I might consider the 3.6 after all.

    The depreciation curve of the Saturn scares me, though.
  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    The 2.2 litre ecotec is one of my favorite engines. The 2.4 shares basic architecture with the 2.2.

    The 2.4 remains an unknown player as of yet, but has promise.

    From what I have read, GM has done a lot of tinkering on what was already a great start.
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    corvette : Saturns used to have great resale. I think they could again if the Aura is a good car. L-series really killed Saturn's resales.

    Logic : The 2.4L sounds like it will be a great little motor. I too like the Ecotec . I think the 2.4 is going into the Solstice also.
  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 4,171
    The Aura will have to be better in every way than an Accord or Camry (like a reliable, cheaper, more powerful version of the Passat) before Saturn's resale will approximate theirs.
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    Oh ya, and even if it is at the get go, it will take time for it to build up resale.

    It can be done but it won't be easy. I think the Cobalt is in the same boat. It's a top tier car in most respects now but it will take a long time for people to realize or believe it.
  • The new Aura is a very nice looking car, especially the interior. I have never seen an interior that good on any GM car (except Cadillac). This interior lacks all the cheap plastics that the L series and Ion have. This is the car that could save Saturn from being phased out. Additionally, Saturn got a new minivan, the Relay this year. A small roadster, the Sky will come next year. All Saturn needs is a midsize SUV based on the Trailblazer/Envoy/Rainier platform to have a well rounded line up.
  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 4,171
    ***All Saturn needs is a midsize SUV based on the Trailblazer/Envoy/Rainier platform to have a well rounded line up.***

    That's all Saturn needs if they don't want to exist in a decade. The Trailblazer is a dud, and any Saab or Saturn based on it will be no different. Consumer Reports recently ranked the Trailblazer as one of the least satisfying midsize SUV's to own. Imagine, a car too dull for Consumer Reports...
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    I was reading on a Saturn web site both the ION and VUE will be getting Aura look to their front ends for 2006 as well as substantial upgraded interiors and mechanicals (a la 2.4L VVT power). Looks like the "aura" of Saturn is about to drastically change for the better.

    All good and WAY over due in my opinion!
  • one2oneone2one Posts: 626
    from the Aura. I rented a Chevy Mailbu Maxx this weekend. The Malibu, G6 and soon-to-be Aura are based off the same platform. And a good platform it is.

    While it's not the same car and likely the Aura will get more refinement than the Chevy, there are some things that will likely carry over (and a few I hope that won't):

    Good points:
    -- V6 is STRONG. Shocking how powerful the Malibu is from a dead stop up to highway speeds
    -- tight suspension. Driving over scraped streets being prepared for paving was excellent. What would have made other cars bounce and jiggle was a minor annoyance in the Malibu (really didn't feel like the street was torn up; ride was smooth/er than my Intrigue).
    -- kickin' radio! It sounded "almost" as good as my Pioneer MP3/WMA/CD player I installed in my Intrigue. Not as good but good enough that I wouldn't be in a rush to replace it.
    -- ROOOOOOOMY!!! I'm 6'8" mostly in the legs. My Malibu had no power seat yet I fit fine behind the wheel (which is tilt/telescopic). With the seat ALLL the way back, there was enough room for a woman 5'7" to fit comfortably. I sat in the front passenger's seat with the seat all the way back and could swing my legs. No foolin'. Not as much room as the Malibu commerical with the basketball players turning to midgets because of all the room, but pretty darn close. The wheelbase for the G6, Aura and Malibu is 112.3"; just to make the point, the Bonneville's wheelbase is 112.2" & the Grand Prix and Intrigue is only 110".
    -- brakes have good feel
    -- quiet. Not Buick/Lexus quiet but good.

    Bad points:
    -- climate control fan is noisy. Turn it to setting 3 and the radio turns itself up because of the increased noise.
    -- steering is too stiff at low speeds. Parking felt like old Chevelles back in the day w/o power steering. High speeds are good.
    -- engine not refined. Sounds a little coarse compared to the Intrigue 3.5 although I think it responds better than the Intrigue 3.5.
    -- emergency flasher sits high in the dash. Even I had to stretch to reach it.

    Overall, a good car. I'd consider buying one. I should note that the Aura will probably be closer in refinement to the Pontiac G6 than the Malibu. I haven't had the opportunity to drive one but would love to see if my assesment of the Malibu lines up with others views of the G6 as kind of a sneak preview of the Aura.

    Since the Aura already has looks on its side, the platform will do the rest. But to target a Saturn against Acura TLs, the mechanical refinement will need to be top notch.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    "But to target a Saturn against Acura TLs, the mechanical refinement will need to be top notch."

    If I recall correctly, thats one of the reasons why the Aura will not feature the low tech, unrefined 3.5L motor. (BTW, if you think that engine is strong, you should try a V6 Altima or Avalon whose engines are the same size but even quicker). Rather, I believe the engine option on the Aura will be GMs OUTSTANDING 3.6L DOHC engine.

    ~alpha
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    Aura will have a base VVT 2.4L 170hp and the VVT 3.6L 230-250hp V6.

    I read somewhere recently, Saturns will only have OHC engines going forward also.

    In my humble estimation, Aura will be substantially more refined that Malibu. Hopefully I am right because I look at the car as a possible replacement for my Intrigue also.
  • aristotlearistotle Posts: 123
    I recently rented a Chevy Classic from Budget. Didn't know that such a car existed until I rented it. Is Classic the same as the Malibu? It had plenty of power, plenty of room and a refined ride. What it lacked, in comparison with my Maxima, is a steady steering. You don't get the feeling that your car tires are gripping the road. You always worry if your car would stray into the adjacent lane. On my Maxima I feel so confident when driving because the tires grip the road so well and the steering is very steady.

    I hope on that score Aura in an improvement over the Malibu. If only it rides quietly and its steering is steady I am going to buy one. The car looks fabulous in and out otherwise.
  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 4,171
    The Classic is the old Malibu. Reports indicate the current model is much improved over the one you rented. The Classic has the 2.2L Ecotec four-cylinder.
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    If you like the old "Classic", try a new Malibu. Much better car.

    The 2.4L will be much better power wise for a car this size.
  • fbcjrfbcjr Posts: 19
    Are there any insiders with any knowledge as to what's happening with this car? It's probably the first non-Cadillac or Corvette GM car I have ever considered buying. I'd be willing to wait for it if it faithfully keeps the look of the concept, has the 3.6L V6 @ at least 250 hp, AND comes in at a price (with options) that is competitive with the G35 and Acura TL. A tall order, most likely, but that is what it takes to compete in the near-luxury market today. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for good news.
  • navigator89navigator89 Posts: 1,080
    I don't really think the Saturn Aura will compete in the near luxury market. It doesn't carry enough brand prestige, reliability and build quality are still in question.

    The Saturn Aura is directed toward high end Toyota Camrys, Honda Accords, Nissan Altima/Maximas, and the Ford Fusion/Mercury Milan.

    You can bet the Aura will be cheaper than the TL and G35. After all, it is nothing but a midsize GM car. I do think the Aura is Saturn's best car ever, and it is a worthy opponent to the class leaders. The interior is great, too bad they couldn't apply a similar treatment to ugly Malibu's dash.
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    The Aura will get the 3.6L as the V6, that's a done deal. Whether it's tuned for 240 or 250hp is yet to be seen. From what I have read, the interior will be kept as close to the show car as possible. Saturn is going up market, no doubt about that now. The SKY and Aura are both much nicer cars than anything Saturn has ever put out and the VUE is suppose to get an all new interior and face lift for 2006.

    No not Acura levels, but VW or Opel like for sure.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    I have high hopes for Saturn, I hope GM can pull this off like they did with the Cadillac renaissance. There's a huge amount of moving and shaking going on in this particular segment, and GM needs a hit that will sell without HUGE incentives. The Aura may be just the car to do it, if:
    1) the overall quality of the vehicle is kept high
    2) the interior is well thought out and efficiently packaged
    3) the vehicles retains the concept's eye-catching styling
    4) the 3.6L DOHC engine is available at the same price points as Accord and Altima V6s, for example.

    In the next year, there is formidable competition: the new Sonata is about to debut and just may end up really shaking things up, theres the Fusion/Milan which are both attractive, seemingly high quality, and ride on chassis that feature a great ride/handling compromise (though engines are nothing that impressive), the next generation Camry is rumored to debut slightly early, in Spring of 2006, the new Altima will debut a few months after that....

    Very interesting, indeed.

    ~alpha
  • fbcjrfbcjr Posts: 19
    Thanks for the responses navigator89 and vanman1. Your logic is sound, but the concept sure looked like a near-luxury model. If the production is a Camry, Accord, Maxima fighter, I highly doubt it will keep that sweet-looking leather and all of the metal (or metal-look) accents (like those on the pockets on the back of the seats). That would be too bad. It's my understanding that the 3.6L is in the CTS, so I assume the motor qualifies as near luxury in quality. I'm just not sure I'd be interested in this car if it dispenses with all of the luxurious-looking goodness of the concept. Shouldn't Chevy be the brand that competes with the Toyota, Honda, and Nissan monikers, or has GM given up on ever achieving that goal with Chevy?
  • aristotlearistotle Posts: 123
    All these days I used to feel that bigger the engine the better. But with gas prices likely to go up again and stay there ( from what I am reading in magazines and newspapers ) perhaps the Aura also needs a fuel efficient engine to attract more buyers.

    The car's exterior no doubt looks good, even grand! Interior looks upscale. My concerns at this point are fuel efficiency, a quiet cabin and a steady steering. I keep harping on steady steering because in order to attract buyers of Japanese cars you need to be good on that front. I don't know if a steady steering is a function of the steering column, the weight of the car, the tires, or all three.

    The Aura will be a winner if they concentrate on those 3 things besides offering a big trunk space and air bags everywhere - front, side , top, bottom .. just kidding .. you know what I mean!
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    If you are concerned about mileage, the 2.4L 170hp inline 4 will be available as the base engine. The Pontiac G6 will be getting that same engine in it's base model coming in about 2-3 months.

    Chevy does compete with Honda and Toyota also but Saturn has a better rate of conversion from the Asian cars than Chevy. Saturn's no hassle buying and higher customer service are part of that attraction I guess.
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