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2007 Lexus LF-A

callmedrfillcallmedrfill Posts: 729
edited April 8 in Lexus
Now that it has been introduced (in concept form) at the NAIAS. I think we can go more into depth as to it's future pursuits.

 

   

  500HP+ is good. Aston Martin DB9, Porsche 911 Turbo, Benz SL55 as competition is good.

 

  Styling is a significant issue (wish I could link on this browser), but being a concpet, there is still hope The basic design seems to be a larger Celica, which I always liked, sans the tight interior and buzzy engine choices.

 

    

   Please post some pics of the car show's concept!

 

  DrFill
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  • Well, auto show are here so are the LFA, What do you all think of this exotic from lexus?

     

    http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=101568

     

    As for myself it look good In and out.
  • At carconnection.com

     

      It's better than I thought. The rear is obviously pure concept.

     

      DrFill
  • THIS LF-A forum was up first! So post here. The host will drop my clone shortly. Thank you.

     

       DrFill
  • This will jettison the rebirth of a Toyota "Supracar" as well. Obviously it can't borrow much from any future Lexus exotic, but this is an original platform, and if 'Yota has proven anything over the last decade, it's than they really don't want to make only one car per platform.

     

       Something else to think about.

     

       Back in 1991, with the Acura NSX at it's height, Lexus comes out with the SC, a groundbreaking design that was hugely successful. Why wasn't a project like this undertaken then? They had proven they can make a compelling sports coupe. The NSX gave them a natural competitor and market to attack. The Lexus name was HOT, with the SC and LS instant success. They could have made a supercar, that would at least draw more traffic and press to their fledgling brand.

       

       The cost for such a limited production vehicle may have been prohibitive, and they may've had more concrete, long-term financial ideas like building more dealerships and such.

     

       But if you said you can have the 1993 Lexus GS, which fizzled after a fast start, and even today 12 years later, has failed to make an impact on the sports-sedan market, or a supercar to shock the world and dazzle the Germans (and Italians), in hindsight......

     

        

       DrFill
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I'm not sure Toyota had what it takes to make an F355, 911 or Viper fighter in those days. The Nissan R33 Skyline GT-R was around then too, but Nissan never felt it was worth the money adapting the car to left hand drive as well as the cost of making a US emissions and federal safety certified car. Just look at how long it took the Subie STi and Lancer Evo to get here. The Japanese have traditionally been very apprehensive about bringing their home-brew performance machines to this side of the world. Forunately that is changing, but I really cant see Toyota making a super exotic back in '92.
  • To make the Supra, only THE GREATEST sports car of the 20th century, they could have made a Super-Supra!

     

       And the strength to make THE GREATEST luxury sedan of the 20th century, they could've made a Lexus of Exotica!

     

       Am I lyin'?

     

       My Jets just lost an amazing game, man. That's sad! :(

     

        

       DrFill
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    "To make the Supra, only THE GREATEST sports car of the 20th century"

     

    Ok something is wrong with you if you meant that seriously. I am a Toyota fan and I dont agree with that at all. The 20th century is A LOT of cars. I wouldnt even put Supra in the top 100.

     

    Are you forgetting the 300SL? The Ferrari 250 GT0? The Porsche 550 speedster? The Jaguar E-type? And countless other greats that would slot WELL above a Toyota Supra on the list of the 20th century's greatest sports cars?
  • Dude, you're playing into my strengths here! Supra knowledge!

     

      The Supra was the best sports car of the 90's.

     

      The best Toyota has EVER produced. The Best value (Under $40k). Won every comparison!

     

      Better than ZR-1 (forget a mere mortal Vette)!

     

      Better than NSX (MT)! Better than RX-7 (C&D)!

     

      Compared to 512TR and 911 (Seriously!).

     

      R&T once said "It's so competent (at beating 300ZX, Vette, and 3000GT), it's boring!"

     

      Best braking distance C&D has ever recorded (a record that stood for years until VERY recently)!

      

      The wunderlust of every aftermarket tuner in the US, able to support 900+HP without chassis bracing, and with the stock tranny!!!

      And a mighty fine looker as well!

     

      This was no car, it was a freak of nature. You have Mickey Mantle, Gandhi, The Godfather, Barry Sanders, and the 1993 Toyota Supra.

       

      I'm not gonna break down a great sports car of the 50s or 60s. All I can say is today's cars are better than the cars of yesteryear. You won't find a Gullwing that can run with a modern Supra. Was it an icon? Sure! Is it a Supra? I think not!

     

       

      Maybe every 10-12 years, 'Yota will create another marsterpiece, a new heir to the throne?

     

      Name me a car that can do what a Supra could, look good, beat all comers, and cost.....$38k?

     

       

      DrFill
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    The '80s, early 90s Vettes were hardly the best cars ever to wear that name plate. The Vette didnt become a legitimate sports car until '97. The 3000GT also weighed about 8 billion pounds and was never much of a sports car. The Supra TT was one of the greats of the '90s, and of course a tuner favorite, but it would get thoroughly destroyed by THE ultimate tuner car and THE Japanese sports car icon, the R-34 Nissan Skyline GT-R. No other Japanese performance car even comes close.

     

    If Nissan's new world model GT-R is anything like the last one, Toyota is going to have a seriously tough competitior on their hands.
  • If it was so hot, why couldn't it make it here?

     

      If it doesn't get to the majors, is it a Hall of Famer?

     

      Funny sidebar. The Sura and the C5 faced off once in C&D in a comparison in 1997-8, and the Vette beat it by one point (Did you think the 5 year old Supra was going to beat a shiny next-gen Vette?)

     

      I think the Supra had a better road course lap time too! Vette won 0-60 4.8 to 5.0.

     

      Both lost the comparo to the M3!

     

        

      DrFill
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    If the Supra was never sold in the United States, would it have the popularity that the Skyline does here? I seriously doubt it. It was a great car, but anybody can put a FE\RWD car together with a good suspension and make a sports car. Nissan was years ahead of SH-AWD with their ATTESA-ETS electronic AWD system, the first of its kind that kept all of the power at the rear wheels until the front tires needed more traction, and also included rear wheel steering.

     

    Despite being a large, rather heavy coupe, the R-34 was good for 0-60 in 4.6 seconds. It could outlap a Porsche Carrera 4. It could also brake to 0 from 70mph in 150 feet.

     

    The R-34 never made it here because of the situation that Nissan was in during the cars run. If it did, it could easily go toe-to-toe with any M3 and squash Corvette C5 and Supra. And just like the Supra, the R-34 is capable of 800hp+ on largely stock mechanicals.
  • The Skyline was/is quite ugly! I now know what "Goes like stink" means.

     

      It looks lke the Supra after it's been through a demolition derby! Never liked Nissan's style. Has ugly ways (M45, old and new, Q, M30, J30, 300Z 2+2), until VERY recenty (Murano, FX, Altima).

     

        

      DrFill
  • As reported at the NAIAS, Danny Clements, GM of lexus, says any production car version of the LF-A would run about $125k.

     

      He called this price a "sweet spot" or soft part of the market. The main competition would be Porsche 911 Turbo at that price. This undercuts Ford GT and Ferrari 430 by $25-40k.

     

      This prototype seems further along than most Lexus concepts. I'd say it could be ready by early 2007, after the LS comes out.

     

      DrFill
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Hhahahaha. Very clever comeback drfill. "Oh yeah? We'll you're ugly."

     

    Would people pay $60K+ For an imported '98 Supra TT? I seriously doubt it. Some people must like the R-34's looks. By the way, the '99 Blitz Skyline has been clocked at 220mph.
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  • i think that lexus build that car directly to enter the competion from the biggest door
    as the next gen. SC with may be 3 engines
    the high out hp will be hybrid shared with the future supra and one other will be chared with the next gen LS and i think the 5.0L
  • ryousukeryousuke Posts: 12
    that sounds nice, a return to the coupe sc, but lexus would probably want another car as a convertible cruiser... LF-A?? all guessing for now... only time will tell
  • chris65amgchris65amg Posts: 372
    I'm a strong believer in halo car psychology. I think that Lexus will use this super LF-A to fight Lexus' almost sportless image. Then people would come in to look at this AWESOME LF-A and come out with an IS. Just a thought.
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  • chris65amgchris65amg Posts: 372
    That's a pretty car
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Very interesting video. I'm trying to tell what type of engine it has. At one moment it sounds like the classic Ferrari small displacement V8 then at another it kinda sounds like a V10 of say 4.5-5L. Either way its going to be fast. When I saw the concept at Detroit this year I said that the design has potential, something rare in a Lexus to my eye. The only problem is that droopy front end, that has to be redesigned asap. Looks horrible. People were talking about a new Supra. Forget that. Too much exotic ($$$) in the sound of this car to be sold as a Toyota.

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  • chris65amgchris65amg Posts: 372
    Toyota couldn't justify selling the car as a Toyota.... afterall, Toyota's are boring! :P
  • johnny11johnny11 Posts: 1
    The supra is in the top ten the twin turbo supra would smoke a 300sl most ferrari's and the jag e-type isnt that great. If you put 5000 under the hood of a supra you can smoke alot of cars. Ive been in a supra with 1800 HP! and 1450 ft lbs!!
  • callmedrfillcallmedrfill Posts: 729
    Jes, I might have flown into hyperbole, but with cause.

    I was considering the Supra's pricepoint into the equation.

    And, as many have learned one way or another, the chassis and stock internals maybe the most rigid and capable ever!

    For $38k, then or now, finding a car that could do what it could, and look so good doing it, is a quandry for all time. The current Vette (C6) would have it's hands full, 12 years later, on any road course! :blush:

    I love the current Evo's ability, but the overall styling, inside and out, obviously are no match for a Supra. But it has 4 doors, better warranty, and is $10k cheaper. So for anyone wanting Supra-performance, I have a thought......

    DrFill
  • I really really doubt that that's an LF-A concept. If u look near the end of the video where the "LF-A' concept is entering onto the main road there just happens to be a MKIV Supra directly in front of it :O! .....ironic
  • The LF-A
    A premium, two-seater sports car designed to open the doors to Lexus' world of passionate driving

    ▪ The LF-A is designed around the "L-finesse" design concept, aiming to be the embodiment of a high performance coupe.
    ▪ The engine bay is fitted with a newly developed, high-output V10 engine that takes driving into a different dimension.

    Total length: 4,400mm
    Total width: 1,860mm
    Total height: 1,220mm
    Seating Capacity: Two

    The 39th Tokyo Motor Show 2005

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  • Lexus is AWESOME!!!

    thats all I got to say
  • The Lexus LF-A concept completed the Lexus trio at the Tokyo show.

    The luxury marque’s first supercar concept, the LF-A is based on a 40-valve V10 producing close to 370kW (500 hp).

    LF-A is based on the corporation’s developing Formula One technology.

    The sleek two-seater concept blends the performance of an exotic sports car with the luxury refinements of a Lexus.

    At 1220mm, LF-A is almost identical in height to the Ferrari F430.

    “The LF-A concept expresses how we would design a premium sports car to compete with the best on offer,” Scott Grant said.

    “We are hopeful it will be built as a production model, and that we would be able to make it available in Australia.”

    Lexus LF-A ultra-high-performance sports car concept specifications:

    Wheelbase: 2580mm
    Total length: 4400mm
    Total width: 1860mm
    Total height: 1220mm
    Front tyre size: 245/40R19
    Rear tyre size: 285/35R19

    Source: link title

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  • Get real,I used to sell Toyota's years ago-they aren't gonna make a 500 hp supra and it be 50,000, and..Toyota has scion for racers like us...Big deal you can get a Supra with 1100hp
    where ya gonna drive it? To a gas station? The vette will always be the best bang for the buck, face it- Toyota is not gonna make a car that smokes every lexus on the street..Its gonna be a Lexus or nothing...And 75,000 to 90,000 easy...Good luck!
  • Oh no. You mean you sold cars? Holy smokes, we have here an authoritative voice on the inside workings of an automotive giant!

    Ok, now where did I say that Toyota will make a super car under the Toyota name?

    Exactly what I thought, getreal.

    What are you saying 'Good luck' to? :confuse:
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