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2007 Infiniti Q series

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  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Something tells me you just don't like the Infiniti M cars my friend...because that very same thing, what people are and aren't willing to pay for a 45K M, can be said about a 50K Acura and of course the Lexus GS, which has never been a sales hit either. IMO, the RL looks more vunerable than any of the Japanese cars simply because it appears you can get an M35 for less and a lightly optioned M45 for about the same price, both of which easily outperform the Acura. Honda is still dreaming about V6s competing with V8s. The RL, imo would have been a raging bargain for 43-45K. Acura is forgetting their low-priced-alternative to Lexus/Infiniti heritage with the RL, which is just as expensive.

     

    M
  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    Let's just say I am a skeptic.

     

    Time was when I was a SOLID Nissan fan. I owned two of them at the same time - a '96 Alt and a '96 Max. Sold the Alt after 5 yrs (and 60K trouble-free miles), and the Max after 6-years (and 120K miles) of ownership. Almost purchased a '93 J30, before I wised-up. The early Infiniti-badged Nissans were pitiful cars and I was very disappointed. Then came the M a couple years back, and it was a HUGE flop. The Q never found its footing, no thanks to poor vision and judgement at Nissan/Infiniti. I like the G (and the coupe) but hate the FX - too lumpy for my taste, and the wheels are much too large on such a wimpy frame. The Q56-badged Armada is ugly and plagued with issues, the G20/I35/QX4 were just too barren attempts that were laughable.

     

    So you should understand if after being a loyal fan for 6 years and seeing how disappointing they were, I joined the "show-me" crowd, so to speak. So I am waiting to see how truly the Infiniti turnaround is before I join the bandwagon. Even then without a true high-end lux car, it may be difficult for me to take them seriously....YMMV
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    It seems like Infiniti's "we're serious" turn around is going just fine. G35 sales are doing well, and it seems like thats going to remain true for 2005 and most likely throughout the remainder of the car's probably 2-3 more years with us. Every Lexus attempt at a car like the G has nose-dived after a mere 2 years or so. Both Infiniti and Acura hit the bulls-eye with the G35 and TL, and it seems like Infiniti should repeat that with the M.

     

    The RL, I dont think so. As Merc said, they got a little greedy and thought that the RL would be the value priced alternative to competitors V8s. I dont think so bub. Not when M35 and (eventually) GS350 are your competition. As for the future of the GS, I dont know. If I were Lexus, I probably would've introduced GS350 as the sole option, and when the 4.6L V8 arrives for 2007, then start offering a V8 GS. Making the GS300 suffer with the segments weakest engine just to protect at best a few hundred GS430 sales a month makes no sense to me. Nobody buys the V8.
  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    I know this is not the forum for it, BUT I really do like the new TL's styling better than the new RL. Where the TL is muscular, the RL looks effeminate. Howdid these two cars diverge so much ?

     

    As for the G, its total sales FY2004 is a tad over 42K units. That ain't much to hang a hat on. Now, if its doing like 80K+ units annual, that would be something won't it ?

     

    Lexus is not doing the right thing, imo, wrt the 06 GS. The design is OK, but the engine choices leave me perplexed, as I've expressed many times in my posts. If the GS comes with the 3L/4.3L combo, I think they are at a clear disadvantage against the M35/45. And Lexus may have to go back to the drawing board and get it done RIGHT.

     

    As for the Q, any word on the redo I keep hearing about ? What direction will Infiniti take the car ? Hopefully, not a big brother clone of the G/M designs !!!
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    "I really do like the new TL's styling better than the new RL. Where the TL is muscular, the RL looks effeminate."

     

    I agree totally with you on that one. The TL is a great looking car, probably the first Acura I can remember since the original NSX that is an attention grabber. I was excited to see the direction Acura would take the RL after doing a good job on the TSX, and a great job on the TL, and was very disappointed to see them fail so miserably. I predict good initial sales for RL, followed by a steady decline that will have dealers heavily discounting to what the RL is ultimately really worth, the low to mid 40s.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Yikes, we're totaly in sync here..lol!!! I feel the same way, but about Acura not Nissan/Infiniti. Loved the orignal Legend and the 1991-1995 model was end of an era. I still should have bought the 1995 Legend GS as a used car a few years ago. Duh! It took me years to get over them dropping the "Legend" name. That was about stupidest thing to do. They car was on its way to becoming just that, a Legend. Looking back now though its good they didn't ruin the Legend name by stamping it on the pitiful 1996-2004 RL.

     

    I get what you're saying about Infiniti perfectly. I think they'll convert you before the decade ends.

     

    M
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Yeah Acura's name thing doesnt seem to make much sense. They had BIG brand names, Legend and Integra, and they dumped them for meaningless letter combinations. I understand why marquees such as Mercedes and BMW do it, to get you to say I drive a "Brand name.. model number". Except the Acura name doesnt mean much to anybody, so theres no real point to it.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    I took advantage of the I35's "mess" and bought one about a week ago for $25,800. So I guess there are some good things about the mistakes Infiniti has made. I got a pretty good car at a great price.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Yep there is always an upside to everything. THe VW Phaeton will make one hell of a used luxury car buy a few years from now.

    M
  • jasonnbjasonnb Posts: 4
    For the money, there isn't much that comes close to the Q45. It's great having a car you don't see on every block, and great when everything keeps coming up to find out more about it.

    I've had mine since 2002, and still running strong. The A8 is my next favorite, and funny how they don't sell either. One reason, noone knows about them, except us.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    What's so funny is that I see Lexuses (or is it Lexii?) on almost every corner in almost every subdivision I've drive through. I also see quite a few in the parking lots I park in, and I see them showing up at stoplights. So it does make me feel special that I drive something other than a Lexus. (not to mention I got a wonderful deal)
  • iancariancar Posts: 31
    In Japan, they already have a sedan that build on the Q's platform but price much higher than the Q. They call that car, "president", and Q45 is called "Cima". Both car priced above Toyota's flagship "Celsior" (LS430). In Japan, the people who brought these cars would not drive, they let their drivers do that. I was supprised when Nissan did not bring "president" to the US back in 2002, but i believe the new LS for JApanese Lexus will price and equiped above "President" and become the most expensive production sedan from Japanese homeland brands.
  • k_mitsuik_mitsui Posts: 26
    Even if the new LS comes out in about 2 years, their pricing would not exceed the Toyota Century sedan since it's a class higher than the LS sedan.
    Ken
  • rjlaerorjlaero Posts: 659
    The M45 is already pushing 60k. Don't know where Infiniti would go with pricing on a new Q.

    It would have to be a killer car to get into the 70k plus range and compete with the competition of the S class, 7 series, & A8.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    It would have to be a killer car to get into the 70k plus range and compete with the competition of the S class, 7 series, & A8.

    I'm waiting to see how they're going to play it. A big soft luxury car like a LS wouldn't fit in with their other models and its going to be hard to top the 7-Series as a drivers car, while giving a luxury ride. I don't think people buying a 70K car will put up with the enthusiastically sporty ride quality of a M45 Sport. BMW seems to be the only that can get away with a large luxury car that has a truly firm ride.

    M
  • chris65amgchris65amg Posts: 372
    Not to forget that Porsche will also bring a large sedan to the market in 2008....
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    A big soft luxury car like a LS wouldn't fit in with their other models

    I think that's why they killed the I35- doesn't feel at all like the rest of the Infiniti line does.

    So I guess Infiniti will try to make it sporty, like a BMW 7-Series, but more reliable...
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    So I guess Infiniti will try to make it sporty, like a BMW 7-Series, but more reliable...

    That will be tricky. I don't think anyone else can get away with that firm of a ride in the premium luxury class. Most buyers like the S, LS, XJ, Phaeton, type (smooth) of ride, not the 7-Series, imo.

    M
  • cybersolcybersol Posts: 91
    That will be tricky. I don't think anyone else can get away with that firm of a ride in the premium luxury class. Most buyers like the S, LS, XJ, Phaeton, type (smooth) of ride, not the 7-Series, imo.

    I think they should make it slightly softer than the 7 series but more firm than any of the others. Then use whatever tricks they can to make it handle like a smaller, lighter car than it will be.

    However, the big concern to me is that NVH is unacceptable in the big gun class. It should handle and perform well with good road feel, but it should be silent and smooth as glass. Any noise or harshness over the best in class will be perceived as being unrefined. Being unrefined is deadly to sales in this class.

    Enjoy, cybersol
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    However, the big concern to me is that NVH is unacceptable in the big gun class. It should handle and perform well with good road feel, but it should be silent and smooth as glass. Any noise or harshness over the best in class will be perceived as being unrefined. Being unrefined is deadly to sales in this class.

    This is true. They're going to have to burn the midnight oil and really sweat the details to achieve the right balance between sport and luxury as to not alienate too many buyers from both sides. I can't see Infiniti making a large car handle so well without some harshness that the average LS/S/XJ buyer wouldn't find objectionable.

    M
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