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MazdaSpeed3: Styling Impressions

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  • autonomousautonomous Posts: 1,769
    The Mazda Canada site has posted the price of the Mazdaspeed. It's interesting to compare US and Canadian prices and to see the markup of the 2007 Mazdaspeed3 over the 2007 Mazda3. It appears that the Mazdaspeed is a better deal in the good old USA!

    - Mazda3 s* (*aka 5 door GT) manual
    C$23400 ; U$17,575

    - Mazdaspeed3
    C$31000 ; U$22,240

    - Markup of Mazdaspeed3 over Mazda3
    C$ 7600 (32%); U$ 4,665 (26%)

    p.s. Considering the price of the Mazda6, the Mazdaspeed3 is a great deal.
  • seanwms6seanwms6 Posts: 121
    Hell no, right now it's just a phone conversation and a couple of emails. It's far from a done deal and not for anything they have on the way right now. It will be for a future order I'm guessing would arrive sometime around Dec/Jan. And they may well be just blowing smoke, but I will find out in the next couple of weeks when I bring my MS6 in to them for a valuation. If they go too low on the trade, I can still make it work by selling to Automax, but will lose more money due to the unfavorable sales tax treatment of leases in TX.
  • kronogoosekronogoose Posts: 116
    Here is my uneducated, unfounded and completely unsolicited opinion: a buyer will always pay a premium price for the latest and greatest model. Wait if you can!

    I predict that the initial enthusiasm for the MS3 will dampen significantly after the release of the Caliber SRT4. Unless Dodge makes a complete blunder, like a manufacturing defect that requires a recall, the SRT4 will dethrone the MS3 as the most powerful (and possibly the fastest) "hot hatch" in the $23K price range. Those who know better, of course, will buy the Mazda. ;)

    If the SRT4's MSRP is at or below that of the MS3, that will keep prices in check. And who knows if some other manufacturer will jump into the turbocharged compact-car arena to keep things interesting (I haven't heard anything, I'm just speculating).

    Me, I'm planning on waiting until September 2007 for a "leftover". If I can get an MS3 for under $20K, I will be very pleased!

    Thanks,

    Greg
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    right now it's just a phone conversation and a couple of emails. It's far from a done deal

    You might have waited yourself out of a deal. If the very positive press continues your dealer will catch on and kibosh the s-plan.
  • You are smart to wait. You may well even get a leftover under $20K. However, I don't the Caliber is going to effect MS3 sales much, since they appeal to completely different buyers. Once you get past the numbers game, would more than a few potential MS3 buyers really consider a Caliber. One is an ungainly looking mini-SUV with a crappy interior and tons of unmanaged power. The other is a compact, handling (SCC even says "track car"), with power management, and a decent interior. I see the 5k cars selling well with or without the Caliber on the market.
  • I think you're right--there may not be any real comparison for those who do their research. I can't help but think that 20-somethings (or whatever demographic the MS3 and SRT4 appeals to...I'm almost a 40-something) will cross-shop both, and based on HP numbers alone, some will choose the SRT4 over the MS3.

    I personally was very excited about the Caliber SRT4, until I saw a NA Caliber in person. The looks of the car don't do anything for me, and I can't stand the rear end. The reliability and quality of Dodge products in general are a big question mark to me. To an extent, I'm still intrigued by the SRT4, but I'll need some real-world experience (auto reviews or a test drive) to even remotely consider it over the MS3.

    I would much prefer to own a Mazda product, but in any case, giving the MS3 some competition can only benefit us, the car-buying public. Even though it's not a "hot hatch," I think the upcoming Si Sedan will take a share of the souped-up compact car segment.

    Best of luck on your quest for the MS3! Please keep us updated on your negotiations and of course, your impressions of the car.

    Greg
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    The current issue of Car and Driver drove the MS3 to a speedy 5.3 second 0-60. So much for all that talk about doing just 6.0 seconds!!
  • The 5.3 second 0-60 time is a C/D estimate. In other words, C/D did not measure the 0-60 time and does not know what it will be.
  • I saw a brief blurb on the MS3 on C&D.com, but no mention of an 0-60 estimate. They say they will have a write-up soon. Did they do a "first drive" article with an estimate like Motor Trend?
  • C/D named the article "Preview: Mazdaspeed 3". It is not clear to me whether the author drove the car or not. He eludes to driving it but does not explicitly state that he did.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    True, it does stat C/D Est. next to the time, and it is unclear if he drove it or not. I'm pretty sure 5.3-5.7 would be accurate.

    The Sport Compact Car author said the governed torque in 1st, 2nd, 3rd was not noticeable, and gained speed rather quickly. He was very impressed. He did not post a 0-60 time.
  • "You might have waited yourself out of a deal. If the very positive press continues your dealer will catch on and kibosh the s-plan."

    If so, I won't cry. Just means I'm driving my MS6 for awhile longer. I really can't justify doing a deal other than S-Plan due to the lost value on the MS6. S-Plan doesn't quite make up for it, but it makes me feel better.
  • Does the order priority depend on what state the dealership is in? It seems like the west coast would be at the front.
    -Thanks
  • autonomousautonomous Posts: 1,769
    If you factor in taxes the price of the Mazdaspeed3 is about C$38,000 which is C$10,000 more than the Mazda3 Sport GT with manual transmission. Ouch!

    Looking at it another way, for less money one could buy the stylish new 2007 Camry LE V6 with 268hp and 248 ft.lbs. of torque and get better fuel economy while saving money using regular fuel!
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    Does the order priority depend on what state the dealership is in?

    nope...it depends on the individual dealerships allocation earnings.
  • "Looking at it another way, for less money one could buy the stylish new 2007 Camry LE V6 with 268hp and 248 ft.lbs. of torque . . . ."

    I laughed when I read this, but if you look at the weight of the car, it's really not too bad. Weighs a couple hundred more than the MS3 but a couple hundred less than the MS6. It might more sense to compare it the MS6 given it's weight penalty. And the fact that it's in a TOTALLY different market segment than the MS3.
  • autonomousautonomous Posts: 1,769
    it's in a TOTALLY different market segment than the MS3.

    This is a frequent debate in these forums and I agree with you to a point. However, we cross-shop all the time looking for our preferred mix of options. For example, I think many of us compare the Mazda3 to the Mazda6 which occupy "different market segments". We compare four and six cylinder variants, sedans and hatchbacks, turbos and hybrid performance machines, etc. Automakers know this and respond by mixing it up: so that dowdy "station wagon" now morphs into an AWD sport wagon for the active set, that "family sedan" is now a fire-breathing sportscar, and that sportscar now has rear ("suicide" :surprise: ) doors suitable for bringing the children along. Most of us compare the benefits relative to the cost of vehicles. In other words, most bang for the buck.

    p.s. would it surprise you to find a 60 year old behind the wheel of a Mazdaspeed3, what does that say about marketing segments?
  • "p.s. would it surprise you to find a 60 year old behind the wheel of a Mazdaspeed3, what does that say about marketing segments?"

    Nope. Great car for a 60 year old (or a 45 year-old with 2 kids) whose not worried about status and wants a versatile car that is a freakin' blast to drive. I think it's great that Honda spent all those ad bucks trying to make the Element ("Elderment") appeal to kids and then the retired folks snapped them up. Good to show the Marketing folks that there are limits to their ability to influence the market.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "...(or a 45 year-old with 2 kids)..."

    Damn! You got so close to nailing me it's scary.

    Yeah, the girls really DON'T like climbing in and out of the back seat of my Celica so school dropoffs are a real PITA. I need to convince my wife that I need a more 'sensible'( ;) ) car before we finish paying off the Ody.

    What's cool is that an '07 Speed3 would actually be CHEAPER than my '00 GTS..... :surprise:
  • ambullambull Posts: 255
    Well, it sounds like you should have an easy time convincing her then. I don't see how it would be cheaper, but if it is, GO FOR IT!!
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