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Mercedes-Benz C350 & C280

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  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,876
    OK - I beg your pardon, then. I just couldn't find any info on even MB's own site, that indicated the C280 is coming up!
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  • agarbatiagarbati Posts: 6
    Isn't the C class up for a facelift? The current body style has been in place since 2001. I don't know what the cycle time is on the body styles for Mercedes but I do know Germans tend to go slightly longer than Japanese auto manufacturers.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I think you might be getting a "facelift" mixed up with a total redesign. The C-Class had a facelift for 2005. Much better interior, new wheels, lights, and a much better sport package for the Sport models. Along with a V8 for the AMG model, which changed from the C32 (V6) to the C55 V8. Now for the 2006 models (early June) all of the other engines change: 200hp V6 C230, 227hp C280 and 268hp C350. The next redesign for the C-Class is due for the 2008 model year in the U.S. The car will likely make its debut (in Europe) in the spring of 2007 in sedan form.

    The article on the 2006 C-Class:

    http://www.germancarfans.com/news.cfm/newsid/2050223.006/mercedes/1.html

    "With four completely new V6 engines, the C-Class takes a clear lead in its market segment where output and torque are concerned. Of the new engines, three are V6 petrol units with 150 kW/204 hp (C 230), 170 kW/231 hp (C 280) and 200 kW/272 hp (C 350). The C 320 CDI with the state-of-the-art V6 diesel engine (165 kW/224 hp) also joins the line-up."

    Just subtract 4hp from these totals for our versions. No diesel for us though.

    M
  • agarbatiagarbati Posts: 6
    Just got this on the MB website -

    2006 C230 Kompressor Sport Sedan
    Energized. Impressive sculpted lower bodywork, polished stainless steel exhaust finisher and ultra-responsive 6-speed manual transmission.
    Supercharged 1.8L 16-valve inline-4 engine - 189 hp @ 5,800 rpm

    Are they delaying the engine upgrades?
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Which MB site was that? On the MBUSA.com site I only saw the 2005 model listing.

    M
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Well on one page it says 2006 and the main page says 2005, I'll go with the 2005 designation. All things indicate that the 4-cylinder is history in June. Site error imo.

    M
  • billp8billp8 Posts: 56
    ...for a 2006/07 C. I currently have a 2000 C230, which I plan to keep (it only has 28,000 miles). I definitely want 4MATIC next time around--and probably the C280 model. I'm curious how that car would be priced--I'd also add sunroof, lighting, and entertainment packages, as well as the multicounter seat. IIRC, the C240 4MATIC is pushing $40K with those features--so maybe $42K for the 280?
  • stroudmanstroudman Posts: 192
    I doubt the price will go up quite that much. The E-class went up just a bit under $2k for the 350, but the c-class is in a more competitive pricepoint, and if the 280 is going to be more powerful than the outgoing 320, they will really lose sales on the big engine car if they raise it that much, IMO. I could be wrong, we'll just have to wait and see, and I'm sure those numbers will leak soon...I'll be sure to blab! :-)
  • Can't see the logic in replacing the c230 1.8 with a detuned near-equal HP V6. Too confusing to the US market, more expensive, etc. The c230 1.8 will likely remain in 2006. It is selling really well now, and will continue to sell well as the entry level model in the entry level category. With that structure, the model line makes more sense, too, keeping the 190hp 230, the 225hp 280 replacing the 240 in a long overdue update (making the 240 worth the extra money over the 230 now), and the 350 leading the class for once, with 268hp and RWD/AWD.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I can see what you're saying, but nowadays MB must play by the same rules and all of the entry level cars are going to 6-cylinders now. There are no 4-cylinder BMWs anymore and the new IS250 will be priced right along with the C230 V6, so Mercedes may not have a choice. Only Audi, Acura and Saab seem to sticking to 4-cylinder entry level models. I personally won't miss the 4 one bit.

    M
  • Here are the absolute US specs for 2006.

    C230 - 2.5L V6 at 201hp,181lbft
    C280 - 3.0L V6 at 228hp,221lbft
    C350 - 3.5L V6 at 268hp,258lbft

    This is printed from a dealer spec sheet.

    PS - can we change the title to C230, C280 and C350, since the C230 is new as well?
  • kennynmdkennynmd Posts: 424
    Does anyone know when will the 06 C's come out?
  • stroudmanstroudman Posts: 192
    July or august, depending on how popular a dealer you are with the factory.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I told you....lol!!!

    Any word on whether or not the C230 and C280 automatics will be 7G-Tronic?

    M
  • Since the C280 is not available stick, and the 4matic is 5 speed do to space limitations, I don't know for sure, since the order page for my car only let's you see/change what is configurable (meaning transmission wasn't even listed), and the spec page he printed only had engine info for the C class line, comparing 2005 to 2006.

    I'm going back next week to finalize my order and I can ask him to pull up the C230 order page, since that comes stick or auto. If 7speed pops up as an option, we can assume the C280 RWD comes with it as well.
  • kennynmdkennynmd Posts: 424
    Thanks for the reply...how about pricing? how much more will it be over the current , models?
  • ikramericaikramerica Posts: 95
    Pricing is not available at this time.

    Expect a slight increase, but not much due to competition, according to salesman's guess.
  • run1run1 Posts: 2
    I`ve been following this forum gaining much info on these new models. Are we at a halt until they are released ?? Hope not as I have one on order, and am looking fo rmore information.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    What kind of RPMs are we talking on those power and torque figures? Without them, Im not sure I understand why MB would even bother with the fairly unimpressive output 3.0L.

    ~alpha
  • ikramericaikramerica Posts: 95
    C230 - 2496cc V6 - 201hp6200rpm - 181lbft2700-5000rpm (vs. 189hp5800/192lbft3500-4000)
     
    C280 - 2996cc V6 - 228hp6000rpm - 221lbft2700-5000rpm (vs. 168hp5700/177lbft4700)
     
    C350 - 3498cc V6 - 268hp6000rpm - 258lbft2400-5000rpm (vs. 215hp5700/229lbft4700)
  • ikramericaikramerica Posts: 95
    Also, just found out that Nav system for C and CLK 2006 will be made by Alpine, not Bosch. Not sure what these means. I prefer the MB command system to the Alpine nav systems I've seen.

    But it's possible that the ML is also Alpine, and that is how iPod integration is working, since Alpine through BMW and their own have various iPod integration products.

    The downside is that right now, the Europe DVD does not work with the Alpine Nav (the US DVD still does, so it must be a very similar system). When I pick up my car in Europe, rather than having the Nav to help me navigate through the country, they promised to provide a "europe map".

    Great... :(
  • stroudmanstroudman Posts: 192
    NAVTEQ doesn't even offer a Euro DVD for the C or CLK-class cars. :-(
  • bmwcccbmwccc Posts: 234
    Hi everyone, I am new to this MB forum and mostly have roamed in the 2006 Audi A4 and 2006 BMW 330i forums.

    Shout out to Merc1, have talked with you before somewhere. Stroudman and Merc1, I have read and enjoyed your informative posts on this forum.

    Well here is my situation. I was intending to purchase this fall the 2006 330i ( 90% )or the 2006 A4 ( 10% ). I test drove both of them and was impressed with the new 330i engine and body style but had a difficult time with the sport seats. Getting the non-sport seats is not an option because i need to have the sport package. Have tried to talk about swapping the premium leather lumbar seats for the sports seats but the dealers want nothing to do with it. This is a deal killer for me. Anyway, the Audi A4 honestly looks cheap to me inside. The console looks cheap and unimpressive. I like the new body style but think i should of bought one of those when i was in my late 20's.

    So here i am ready to throw in the towel on any german products when my brother and my wife finally convince me to at least consider a MB. My biggest problem with MB has been there extremely high price in there respective market segment with a sub sub par level of performance; specifically there engines re: hp and torque output. My brother mentioned there might be a 3.5 coming around the corner on the C class in a few months but I found nothing on the MB website.

    So here are a few questions I hope you guys can help out with. What differences do you think there will be on the 2006 C350 vs the 2005 C320? ( Obviously the engine will be changed so exclude that )
    1. Any exterior body changes?
    2. Any alternative standard or optional tire changes?
    3. Any type of interior changes with the dash/console etc?
    4. Will the current packages still exist or will they start to add accessories as standard options like xenon lighting, sunroof etc.
    5. Looks there there is Ipod compatibility, what about BLUETOOTH?
    6. Are you guys aware of any good links re: articles online that speak to this new car?
    7. What is the realistic time expectation when we will see pricing and order info?
    8. When will the dealers start to have these in the showrooms for demos?

    Thanks in advance for the feedback!

    chris
  • kennynmdkennynmd Posts: 424
    While I can't specifically answer these for you, but a couple of issues agoe in either Motor Trend or Car and Driver had an article about the C350. Maybe you can check it out and see what you can find out. Hope this helps!
  • I was in your position about a month ago, except for the Audi. I finally test drove the 06 330 and it pretty much sealed the deal for me. I'm getting raped by the dealer but it took me a long time to arrive at my decision and I'm not changing it now. Besides MB is changing the C in model year '08, summer '07, so I really don't want to shell out 40+k for something that will be changing design on me so quickly. As far as I know only the engines are changing right now with the major overhaul of interior/exterior occurring in 07. I remember reading about Bluetooth compatibility on one of the accessories for the C but you'll have to dig through MBUSA to find that. Hope that helped.
  • I was in your position about a month ago, except for the Audi. I finally test drove the 06 330 and it pretty much sealed the deal for me. I'm getting raped by the dealer but it took me a long time to arrive at my decision and I'm not changing it now. Besides MB is changing the C in model year '08, summer '07, so I really don't want to shell out 40+k for something that will be changing design on me so quickly. As far as I know only the engines are changing right now with the major overhaul of interior/exterior occurring in 07. I remember reading about Bluetooth compatibility on one of the accessories for the C but you'll have to dig through MBUSA to find that. Hope that helped.
  • I was in your position about a month ago, except for the Audi. I finally test drove the 06 330 and it pretty much sealed the deal for me. I'm getting raped by the dealer but it took me a long time to arrive at my decision and I'm not changing it now. Besides MB is changing the C in model year '08, summer '07, so I really don't want to shell out 40+k for something that will be changing design on me so quickly. As far as I know only the engines are changing right now with the major overhaul of interior/exterior occurring in 07. I remember reading about Bluetooth compatibility on one of the accessories for the C but you'll have to dig through MBUSA to find that. Hope that helped.
  • I was in your position about a month ago, except for the Audi. I finally test drove the 06 330 and it pretty much sealed the deal for me. I'm getting raped by the dealer but it took me a long time to arrive at my decision and I'm not changing it now. Besides MB is changing the C in model year '08, summer '07, so I really don't want to shell out 40+k for something that will be changing design on me so quickly. As far as I know only the engines are changing right now with the major overhaul of interior/exterior occurring in 07. I remember reading about Bluetooth compatibility on one of the accessories for the C but you'll have to dig through MBUSA to find that. Hope that helped.
  • I was in your position about a month ago, except for the Audi. I finally test drove the 06 330 and it pretty much sealed the deal for me. I'm getting raped by the dealer but it took me a long time to arrive at my decision and I'm not changing it now. Besides MB is changing the C in model year '08, summer '07, so I really don't want to shell out 40+k for something that will be changing design on me so quickly. As far as I know only the engines are changing right now with the major overhaul of interior/exterior occurring in 07. I remember reading about Bluetooth compatibility on one of the accessories for the C but you'll have to dig through MBUSA to find that. Hope that helped.
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