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Toyota Tacoma vs Honda Ridgeline

Those of you interested in Frontier vs. Tacoma may want to take a look at Honda's debut pickup truck.

 

http://autoshow.msn.com/as/article.aspx?xml=Honda&shw=autosho- w2005&src=autoshow2005&GT1=5967

 

Ridgeline is powered by a 3.5-liter VTEC V6 engine that produces 255 horsepower and 252 lb-ft of torque, mated to a standard 5-speed automatic transmission. Unlike traditional full-size pickup trucks, the Ridgeline does not have a cargo bed that is separate from the passenger cab; the bed and cab are integrated. So I guess this is an "Explorer-looking" vehicle from Japan.

 

One thing for sure: Honda engineers their work very well.

 

Has anyone seen these at the auto shows as yet? How about a test drive? You can look for these in dealerships in March--only 30 days away.

 

What do you guys think of no mention of a standard transmission?

 

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  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,662
    are inevitable, but until the Ridgeline actually hits the streets, are now pretty much just speculation.

     

    I do think the Ridgeline will cause all the midsize (and full-size) truckmakers many hours of lost sleep, however.

     

    Bob
  • 5553543255535432 Posts: 150
    Have any of you guys seen the Ridgeline in person (maybe in the carshow).My hands are itching to get into a truck but I've passed on the Tacoma x-runner because of the absence of sideairbags even as an option.The Tacoma was plain looking in the pictures but looks great live.Can any of you say the same thing for the Ri8dgeline?
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,662
    Have any of you guys seen the Ridgeline in person (maybe in the carshow).

     

    Yep. I crawled all over it at the Detroit show. This vehicle will be HOT! I'm convinced of it. I was there during one of the industry days, those are folks who in some fashion work in the auto industry, or some related industry. Those people were all over the Ridgeline like bees at a bee hive. It was hard to get seat time, but yes, I was able to spend some time in it.

     

    Bob
  • gearhead1gearhead1 Posts: 408
    Well, It's the ugliest truck I've seen, and I liked the Element, but it does have some cool features like the in bed trunk, navigation, all wheel drive and some kind of locking rear diff.

     

    Manual trans is also unavailable on the Ridgeline which will be a deal breaker for some.

     

    I don't think I can get past the ugliness. The Tacoma is a beauty compared to the Ridgeline, and I'm sure the Taco is much more capable off road.
  • atlgaxtatlgaxt Posts: 487
    This topic should have been broadened a little bit. I am interested in getting a crew cab pickup, and right now for me, the Frontier is also in the running along with the Tacoma and Ridgeline.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,662
    I agree. I should include all the mid-size trucks.

     

    Bob
  • Not sure why you couldn't get the side airbags, but I had them installed in a Tacoma 4x4 Double-cab long bed. They are still building it, but the dealer called me 2 weeks to ask if I wanted to add it in.

     

    B
  • Wait....this is almost too good...You liked the Element, and you thought the Ridgeline was UGLY? WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW. I bet you think the Assteck is the best looking SUV out there, huh?

     

    Man, I'd hate to see what you consider ugly...
  • Hey man, the Element is Hummeresque in it's way. It looks like a modern safari vehicle or baby Hummer. It's beauty is in it's practicality. That being said, I'm buying a Tacoma Sport package because it's a true work of automotive art, and the oil filter is actually accessible.....and the Ridgeline is still butt ugly, as is the Asstek. So there. :)
  • 5553543255535432 Posts: 150
    I did a research and I haven't yet seen what the heck is an ASSTEK.Is that a cross between a donkey, horse and steak?

    I was so close to buying a Tacoma X-runner, but the Ridgeline was worth the wait, saw one in Northeast Honda in MD. I was discouraged in the pictures but was impress with in in person.The Tacoma looks like a pretty metrosexual boy next to the ruggedly handsome Ridgeline.

     

    P.S

    The Toyota always garners top honors in the absence of a Honda contender. The Sienna was top dog for a while till the redesigned Odyssey entered the fray. The Truck of the year award was a joke, coz the Tacoma got it in the absence of the Ridgeline.Enjoy your rigged award coz it's the last time Toyota sees it.By the way the Pilot is on a roll, it joined CD's 5 best trucks 3 yrs in a row.I'ts amazing how Honda, a tiny company steals the thunder from Toyota, a company so big with Biliion dollar pockets.I won't be surprise if the Ridgeline eliminates your pretty Tacoma in 5 best trucks by CD.
  • The Asstek is the Pontiac Aztek. Well, I look forward to seeing the Ridgeline in person. I wasn't that impressed with the Tacoma styling until I saw it in person. Still hard to believe it will overcome the pics I've seen. We'll see.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,662
    that the Ridgeline is not for those who have to "impress" others with their ride. It's for the buyer who knows what he/she needs in a pickup. It's not huge. It doesn't reek of "machismo." It is, however, one of the most useful and practical new vehicles ever to come down the pike. And, it will cause many automaker executives in Detroit and Toyko many hours of lost sleep.

     

    I couldn't agree more.

     

    Bob
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,663
    toyota has worked for years on their reputation in trucks. i don't think honda is going to topple them too easily. i just think you have to give toyota some credit.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,662
    There's nothing terribly wrong with the Tacoma, but it's a case of just more of the same, of what's gone before. Been there. Done that.

     

    The new Ridgeline injects some new and creative thinking into a class of vehicle that has been sorely lacking in that department.

     

    Bob
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,663
    i view a pickup as a very flexible platform. how does the 'ridge improve upon that? i still stick to my opinion that they answered a question nobody asked. do you or have you ever owned a pickup? i'm just curious, not trying to cause a conflict. your opinion is valid, i'm just interested on what you base it on.
  • Well, I was going to buy a 05 Taco sports package, but now after spending a significant amount of time on the Ridgeline site, I'm going to wait at least till I've seen the Ridgeline in person. Honda has come out ahead of the Tacoma at least in features. It appears to be a city all wheel drive pickup, but then Honda throws a serious offroad feature like a locking rear diff on it as a standard feature on all Ridgelines, which toyota puts only on their offroad package, though the Ridgeline has a inch less clearance. The 4 wheel drive kicks in automatically which I think is more appealing than a partime system which could be damaged on dry pavement if left engaged accidently.

     

    Their tow package is also standard on all Ridgelines. It's available only as a feature in Toyotas 3,000 dollar offroad or sports package

     

    Hondas new bed design beats Tacoma all to hell with their great inbed trunk and a tail gate that opens in 2 directions. No more climbing in to your bed over your tail gate. This is the most innovative thing I've seen in a pickup bed, and the spare is actually accessible easily.

     

    Leather interior, navigation, moonroof are available. These features are absent on the tacoma. What's up Toyota!? Are we in the new Millenium are not? Get with the program.

     

    Ridgeline has a independent 4 wheel suspension delivering a true Sedan ride on a truck!

     

    The only innovative I see on the 05 Taco is the new composite bed, of which I've seen a pic of one cracked (probably due to owner retardation, but it wouldn't have happened if it were steel). they also have available a 120 volt 400watt receptacle in the bed which is kind of cool, though I'm not sure what I would use it for.

     

    Just a little thing, but the Rideline has a locking gas door, unlike the free access to all gas cap on the Taco. Yeah, I'm paranoid. Just don't piss any kids off in your nieghborhood if you have a Taco.

     

    All this said I'm still leaning toward the Taco, but they better cut me one hell of a deal Mr. Toyota dealer, because it won't take much to nudge me over to the Ridgeline.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,663
    gearhead1, looks like the 'ridge will work for you. hope you enjoy whatever you buy. based on your comments, i'm not sure why you are buying a pickup type vehicle. whatever your reasons are, they are ok with me, i just am not sure what they are.
  • I don't think I mentioned my use requirements, but if you need to haul, the Rideline will allow 4x8 buiding material to lie flat in the bed unlike the Taco.

     

    I've driven a Toyota 2wd pickup for the last 14 years and I love it. Never had a problem. It's that relationship that compells me to still lean towards Toyota, and the new Tacos look great.

     

    I now have needs that require hauling and off road access more than ever.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,662
    do you or have you ever owned a pickup? i'm just curious, not trying to cause a conflict. your opinion is valid, i'm just interested on what you base it on.

     

    Yes. I used to own a '86 F-150 4x4. I had it for roughly 10 years. I don't currently own a pickup, but I follow them very closely. I've also examined the Ridgeline up close, both at Detroit, and again yesterday at Philly.

     

    The rear 2-way tailgate and bed trunk are ingenious. Those features are only possible thanks to the IRS (again, long overdue on pickups) on the Ridgeline. I think you need to examine one at your local car show, or wait for them to show up at Honda dealers next month. I think once you see it firsthand, you'll see what I'm saying. This vehicle is going to rewrite the game plan for family-oriented pickups. It's not perfect. There are several features missing that I wish it had; but it is mighty close to being perfect.

     

    Bob
  • It look like a nice vehicle, all of these goodies cool stuff. But all of those things sure will come at a price. I am seeing reports of the vehicle starting at around 27,000 remember the taco 4 dr rwd start at around 22,000.

    I think the Honda Ridgeline and the Toyota Tundra should be the one going head to head.

    greetings

    fig.

    ps. I bough a taco 2wd a/t sport pack .for 24,200 will be in next week.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,662
    Need to compare apples-to-apples; the Ridgeline should to be compared to a 4x4, not a 2WD.

     

    Bob
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,448
    I agree with you wholeheartedly on many points you have illustrated in this topic (and others), Bob. While I hope to not be in the market for a new vehicle to replace my '96 Subaru OB for another 3 years, I have seriously been leaning toward a small CC pickup to be both my Subaru and my '69 C20. I want to retire the '69 as a work truck one of these years to restore it (only needs some touch up) and then not use it for in-bed payload; hopefully just some parades & periodic towing.

     

    The ridgeline will definitely be on my short list come shopping time. With a small maxi-dump trailer, I should be able to use it admirably as a family car and also haul the equivalent with the trailer as my '69 does in its bed alone. On the rare occasion that I do need 3-8 ton towing, I can break out ol' yeller to supplement.

     

    I have already removed the Tacoma from that list, at least for the time being (we'll see again in 3 yrs).
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,663
    bob, my only point is that the bed area is over designed. i am not trying to discourage anyone from buying one.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,662
    my only point is that the bed area is over designed.

     

    And more power to Honda for doing so, and may they reap the rewards (aka sales & profits) that all those overdesigned features are bound to bring.

     

    Bob
  • looked very nice. There was a 4 x 2 xtra cab with a sport package (large wheels, slightly lowered, etc.). Very nice looking truck drawing huge crowds.

     

    So, I climbed into the front seat, and liked just about everything until I looked out the windshield. The rear view mirrow was actually below my eye level (me being 6'3") and created a huge blind spot for me. Wondering why, I noticed that Toyota had created head room by carving out a chunk of the head liner. Hmmm. Not good.

     

    Loved the oil filter location on the V-6 and nifty drain setup with easy access.

     

    Hoping Honda has things sized better for me.

     

    John
  • Pretty face or ugly face, who cares.

     

    For the apparently few buyers of 4WD trucks who use it, or even know what it does, there is no 4Lo range in the Ridgeline, according to a magazine review I just read. If you actually plan to use it for 4-wheeling rather than just carting family and friends to the ski slopes and malls, you'd better check this out for yourself.

     

    If lack of 4Lo does not matter, you're comparing it to the wrong type of vehicle (Tacoma still has this). An all-wheel-drive station wagon or van would be more analogous (lots of passenger and cargo room, not much 4-wheeling ability). Or if you occasionally need an open bed, there's the GM SUV with the sliding rear roof.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,662
    I agree. That's one of my few complaints about the Ridgeline; no low-range. :(

     

    Bob
  • The Ridgeline boasts having the first pickup with a trunk! I could see many uses here. For one: you may not need a tool box. The draw back is that if you have a load of heavy tools or lumber or manure, you will have to remove the load before you can get to the trunk. The "door opening" reminds me of the old El Camino. That was a car that was a truck also and it had quite a long bed.

     

    All-in-all you will have 255 ponies pulling it and it is capable of towing 5,000 pounds.

     

    As neat as this may be, I ordered a Tacoma and hope to take delivery sometime before I die.

     

    B
  • I currently work at a Honda dealership, and you might want to do a little research, the honda ridgeline as with the pilot both have a four low option. However it is not called that, it is called VTM for variable torque management and is standard on all ridgelines and pilots. For your safety once engaged, if you exceed the recommended speed for the four low option it will automatically disengage to prevent damage to the engine.
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