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Toyota Tacoma vs Honda Ridgeline

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  • but its ugly slow and ugly... u buy a car for the looks the performance the practicality and the comfort. cant forget price to... welll looks wise it gets a big 2 oghtta ten for being the ugliest thing since the element.. performance it gets a 3 cuz its heavy and sllllllooooooooooowwwwww practicality it gets a big 7 cuz its still a truck most trucks id give a six but the trunk seems pretty kool. comfort gets an 8.... and for price gets a big ol 5 for being over priced total score 25/50

    now for the tacoma.. looks gets a 8 performance a 9( fastest midsize truck) practicality gets a 6 (element beet it on somthing) comfort gets a 8.5( car and driver says it rides like a camry and has the most comfy seets even though they rnt leather. rather have a camrys ride then a pilot....) 31.5/50
    ive drove both my dad owns a ridgeline i own a taco... my dads thinkin he screwed up on this one....
  • gd113gd113 Posts: 114
    You crack me up. Why take the time telling us this? If you hate they truck, hate it. I think we got your message a few posts ago. Your opinion probably isn't going to change current and future owners what they think.. Tell your dad that everywhere I read owners love their Ridgeliners. Maybe he can get a refund. :shades:
  • 5553543255535432 Posts: 150
    Tell you dad that everywhere I read owners love their Ridgeliners. Maybe he can get a refund.
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    Amen.I own a Frontier but head over heels over the Ridgeline, hands down the Ridge is the best truck.Heres a not so bias ranking of the Ridge, Taco. and Frontier from a Frontier owner.

    1. Ridge

    2. Taco.
    3. Frontier.
  • gearhead1gearhead1 Posts: 408
    I've also driven both vehicles, and I felt it wasn't even close. The Ridgeline wins hands down. If you off road extensively: Buy a Taco. I think most people that own a taco will never ever put it in 4 Lo, but I guarantee they'll be in a position where they'll need 4x4 on the road, but they wont be in 4hi because they didn't switch it to 4hi because the road was just wet. This will never happen on the Ridgeline because of VTM-4 and VSC. The vehicle really needs to make these decisions because the driver never really knows if there's a traction problem before it's too late many times. Tacos and RLs will be on pavement 99% of the time. part time 4x4 just isn't the best option on wet slippery pavement. VTM-4 withVSC is. I know the Ridgeline will take care of my wife and make all the right decisions about traction. She does not have to decide: Do I need to be in 4hi or not, and then leave it in 4 high when the pavement gets dry and risk damaging the system. Part time is just silly on pavement. This is one reason I would never buy a used part time 4x4. Who knows how the idiot ran it before.
  • jak3676jak3676 Posts: 5
    All,

    For anyone interested, allow me to attempt an honest comparison. I’ll be in the market for a new “work truck” when I return home from my current overseas tour with the military this fall. I began by reading extensively about the Taco, but have heard some good things about the Frontier and Ridgeline. I’ll put this in a few separate posts to clarify what is fact and what’s my opinion/assessment. Here are my two bits.

    So there’s no confusion, here’s my background. The last truck I owned was a 1996 Mazda B4000 (Ford Ranger clone). Transmission died at 120,000 miles in 2001, but I really did enjoy the truck. Yes, I drive my trucks really hard. Those 120k included 60/30/10 percent Highway/City/Off-road miles and about 30 percent of all those included a light trailer. Some of my off-roading is serious boulders, mountains mud and snow, but most was just open fields or logging track mountain roads. I just bought my wife a 2005 Honda Pilot EX-L/RES about a month ago. About 1000 miles so far and we love it.

    There are compromises, benefits, advantages and disadvantages for every vehicle. I’ve been seeing plenty of Honda and Toyota fans claiming with almost religious zeal that their truck is absolutely perfect and without equal on any comparison, but it’s simply not true. Manufacturers choose which comparisons to make, and often compare their best asset to their worst competitor’s. This makes for very uneven/unfair comparisons.

    Quoting from Edmonds.com “Honda's engineers boast that the Ridgeline has 20 times the torsional rigidity and over twice the resistance to bending compared to the top-selling midsize pickup.” I saw someone mistake this to say that the Honda had 20 times the stifness and 2.5 times the strength of any truck. Honda was compairing themselves to the “top-selling midsize pickup”, that’s a Ford Ranger. I think we can all agree that Honda has out-engineered the Ranger. I hope so, the Ford was engineered in the 70’s. No one is making any simlar claims between the Honda, Nissan or Toyota. Let’s try to be fair when making comparisons

    Before I start, let me say that I think they are all nice trucks and are well ahead of the rest of the competition (Ranger, Dakota, Colorado, Sonoma). I’m really happy to see some innovation this year. The competition should push them all to higher standards. They are appealing to different markets and have different intended uses. I’m sure all will sell well. Happy shopping to all.
  • jak3676jak3676 Posts: 5
    Powertrain:

    The Ridge, Taco and Fronty all come with V-6’s and 5 speed automatics. Honda uses a 3.5L while Toyota and Nissan use a 4.0L. The Ridge has 10 HP more than the Taco, but 10 less than the Fronty. The Taco is the lightest of the three though, by more than 400 lbs. This gives a Taco the advantage in lbs/hp at 16.5, basically tying the Fronty at 16.7 lbs/hp. Both beat the Ridge at 17.6 lbs/hp.

    I guess it’s too much to ask to get a 6-speed manual transmission in any sort of top-of-the-line 4x4 configuration though. 6-speed are available on the Nissan and Toyota for some lower trim models. No luck on the Honda.

    Towing:

    In terms of torque the Taco and Fronty beat the Ridge soundly at 284, 282 and 252 ft lbs respectively. This along with the hp, gives Nissan and Toyota an advantage in towing weight and acceleration. The Toy’s towing capacity leads at 6500lbs, the Nissan is 2nd at 6100lbs and the Honda is 3rd at 5000lbs.

    Acceleration:

    I don’t have the 0-60 or ¼ mile times on hand, but have seen that that the Honda is the slowest. The Toyota and Nissan crowds go back and forth over which truck won which race on which day. Different web sites claim different numbers on the Toy or Nissan. I haven’t seen anyone claim the Honda is close though (About 1 sec slower at 0-60)

    Payload:

    Conversely, the payload capacity of the Honda wins out at 1554lbs vs 1405lbs on the Toy and 1365lbs on the Fronty. I’m assuming this comes more from the bed and frame construction rather than power-train limitations, but I’m not really sure. If anyone does know why, feel free to chime in.

    Options:

    You can get both the Honda and Nissan with all the bells and whistles. For some reason Toyota failed to include options for heated leather seats, sunroof or rear defroster.

    There are some interesting new amenities out there. Honda included an automatic windshield wiper de-icer and a truck bed trunk. Option packages on the Taco can be difficult to configure. Selecting option A or B may limit your ability to choose option X, Y or Z.

    Safety:

    Kudos to Honda for making all their safety features standard. Everyone has ABS and the new front airbags, but the Honda comes with standard side and head airbags, traction control and electronic stability control. Honda also comes with AWD and 4 wheel disc brakes. Honda does not have an option for daytime running lights or fog lights however.

    Toyota seems to have made the cutting edge safety features an afterthought. Head airbags are optional, side airbags are not available. Traction and electronic stability control are optional, but limit your 4x4 or towing options. Toyota only comes with rear drum breaks instead of discs. Fog lights and daytime running lights are options.

    Nissan splits the difference between them. Head and side airbags are optional along with traction and stability control. 4 wheel disc breaks are standard. Fog lights and daytime running lights are optional. At least selecting safety options don’t limit your other options.

    Off-Road:

    Ground clearance for the Nissan is a good 10.1 in, an acceptable 9.4 in for the Toyota and an average 8.2 in for the Honda.

    Turning diameters in the Toyota are 40.7 ft, 42.6 ft for the Honda and 43.3 ft for the Nissan.

    Take-off, departure angles: I can’t find these on-line, but I know someone posted them earlier. The Tocoma was in the high 30-something degree range I recall, the Frontier was in the low 30-somthings and the Ridgeline was in the low 20’s. If someone can locate the numbers, please let me know and post the link.

    The Toyota and Nissan offer a low range and 4WD, not available on the Honda. Honda uses an AWD system with locking differential rear.

    Toyota and Nissan have options for stiffer off-road suspensions (TRD or NISMO packages) and common off-road features like skid plates. A front skid plate is standard on the Honda.

    Bed types:

    Both the Ridgeline and Toyota used a composite bed, Nissan has a traditional steel bed, but it comes with a factory installed spray-on liner. The angled bed sides on the Honda will likely prevent you from installing a bed topper or cover. But the Honda does include a trunk space built into the bed. They all offer different methods for tie downs and bracing loads. Honda does have a wider bed, allowing you to fit 4ft wide payloads between the sides, you’d have to angle the load in the Nissan or Toyota. Honda also has dual hinges on the tailgate allowing it to fold down or swing out.
  • jak3676jak3676 Posts: 5
    My Assesment:

    Credit to Honda for getting more output from a smaller engine, but it isn’t quite as stong a motor as the Toy or Nissan. You’d notice the difference in towing or pure acceleration, but that’s not a major consideration for most. Any of these V-6’s compare well to most domestic V-8’s.

    Unless you’re towing a boat or horse trailer that’s near 5000lb range, towing weight limitations are minor. Not to may truck owners tow anything at all. All of them will easily handle the occasional trip towing a jet-ski or two, snowmobile, 4 wheeler, motorcycle, utility trailer, etc. None are meant to haul large boats or horse trailers.

    The Taco and Fronty will get these trailers up to highway speeds or over hills faster though due to their higher power and torque ratios. I’d actually be a little afraid pulling a boat up the loading ramp with Honda. The lack of low range and low RPM torque would put it at a disadvantage. Just be careful.

    I’ve heard the argument that my truck comes with option X standard and it’s only an option your truck. I generally don’t see that as an advantage. If it’s optional, at least I have the option to pay for it or not. If it’s standard on your truck, you’re stuck paying for it whether you wanted it or not. That said there are some options not available in any configuration on the Taco. Toyota also does not allow you to combine the safety options with their 4x4 or towing packages. This in an advantage for Nissan and Honda.

    The off-roading capabilities of the Taco and Fronty are nearly equal. (Similar weight/hp, better take-off angles on the Toy, more clearance on the Nissan) The Ridge isn’t meant for traditional off-roading, but will handle the occasional dirt or snow packed road well. Just don’t attempt to go rock climbing. Arguably, AWD is preferable for hitting the occasional slippery spot in the road.

    I won’t get into the “my truck looks better than yours” debate, that’s totally subjective. Although I realize this may be a major consideration for most, it’s your call.

    In terms of day-day driving and comfort, you’ll have to compare for yourself. These ratings are very subjective. The same can be said for front and back seat comfort. They all have similar interior dimensions. It’s not very useful to say this truck is ½ inch taller in the front, or wider in back seat. One may have more leg room up front, but less in the back. Don’t accept someone else’s assessment here, try it for yourself. Just because the seat doesn’t have a power 8 way adjustment doesn’t mean it’s less comfortable than one that does.

    For price consideration, they are all pretty similar when you max out all the options. If you are within about $5K its going to come down to which stealer you work with. Every time I price them out online I end up between $30K and $33K. Whoever is running a rebate the week I buy or will cut the best deal may get my business.

    I’ve looked any many trucks and options. I did have to rule out the Honda for my needs. I don’t think it would hold up to the off-road work I do, and I didn’t see a way to attach a bed cover to hide all the junk I leave in the bed. The trunk and tailgate were nice though. For me it’s come down to the Frontier vs. Tacoma. The deal breaker might be that the Toy’s limitations on combining safety options with off-roading and towing options will push me toward the Frontier. Not totally decided yet. I never do any heavy towing so that’s not a problem for me.

    Don’t get me wrong, I think there are some definite advantages for the Ridgeline. If my wife was in the market for a truck, the ridgeline would be a good option for her. It would probably be the safest for her and I wouldn’t have to worry if she left in 4WD for the last trip downtown. I wouldn’t have to worry about if she thought to put it in 4WD when the roads were snow packed either. AWD does have its advantages. Don’t mistake me, I’m not saying the Ridgeline isn’t a “manly” truck or that women can’t use 4WD. But my wife doesn’t like a stick, much less a 2nd or 3rd control for 4WD or low range.

    Hope this helps someone decide. Let the flaming began as I’m sure I’ve deeply offended someone by suggesting that their truck isn’t perfect for everything. I’ve pulled my numbers from each company’s websites if someone wants to look it up themselves. Happy trucking to all.
  • jak3676jak3676 Posts: 5
    Questions:

    I would like someone to discuss the benefits and limitations of having a 4 wheel independent suspension instead of a solid rear axle.

    I remember being told that a solid axle was better for 4-wheeling and towing, but I don't remember why.

    I do know that the independent suspension makes for a more comfortable ride. Driving around the desert in my Humvee will prove that. (I can't speak to the H2 or H3, but the original military Humvee has 4 wheel independent suspension and it is an excellent off-road vehicle and relatively comfortable going over bumps.)
  • treyh1treyh1 Posts: 34
    Off the top of my head, I can't think of any advantages a solid axle has for 4-wheeling or towing. Having the bulk of a vehicle's strength in an old-fashioned ladder frame is an advantage for towing because you can attach directly to the strongest points of the structure. Most(all?) ladder frame trucks have solid axles, but I think the frame is what gives you the increased capacity, not the axle.

    I do very little off-roading, but I'm almost positive an independent suspension does a better job of keeping the wheels planted. Most Baja-style racers have independent suspensions, and you already mentioned the Humvee.

    As an aside, if your Humvee was comfortable, you must have had plenty of armor mounted to it. When those things are lightly loaded they're pretty rough.
  • matt30matt30 Posts: 27
    Some of you are WAYYYYY off the mark.

    Lets start with safety; I have heard that VTM-4 combined with VSC makes the vehicle have better handling on the road. Wrong, especially if the torque bias is towards the front on the ridge. Full-time 4wd has NO effect on steering or stopping emergencies and no effect on understeer or oversteer conditions. In fact Full time 4wd might worsen the situation at higher speeds. The Tacoma and Ridge both have VSC and despite what was said previously you can get VSC on any model (even 4x4's) on a Tacoma. The only advantage VTM-4 would have is one wet roads driving at slow speeds (<40) and you hit a mud puddle and need some extra traction to keep you moving normally without a decrease in speed (i.e. gutters dumping water into an intersection).

    A side note from the comparison above, it mentioned that the frontier had a better ground clearance than the tacoma. Minimum ground clearance numbers are measured from the lowest part of the suspension, in this case the rear differential. The reason tacoma has a smaller numbers is because of its beefier differential. In actuality the tacomas frame sits significantly (it is very noticeable if you try to stick your head under both) high than either ridge or frontier. True ground clearance number should be measured from the lowest part of the frame in which case the frontier would sit at about 11" and the tacoma would be above 13".

    Independent suspension hinders off-road ability. The most common reason is IFS' lack of articulation. Also solid axles don't have CV joint problems from the wheel moving differently in relation to the axle. If you don't have knowledge about suspension types there are several enthusiast sites that have full-length articles about the difference and go more in-depth than I can in this blurb. However as you said independent suspension is more comfortable. FYI the Hummer has had numerous problems in the field because of it suspension and hard to fix parts.

    On the same topic the tacoma has a top-notch suspension and ride. With progressive rate coil springs and high-pressure gas shocks that are usually found only aftermarket, the ride is comfortable and without harsh vibrations that can cause problems down the road.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    I don't have time for a full explanation, but there's the short of it... well.. short for me... ;)

    IRS is better for on-road performance and will like to a better job of soaking up bumps, keeping the chassis planted, and allowing the vehicle to corner properly.

    A live axle is the cheapest way to support a whole lotta weight. I'm sure someone could design a heavy duty IRS design (see Hummer), but it's not easy, and likely not cheap. For offroading, a live axle design will help when the terrain gets extreme. As a wheel is forced up over a rock on one side, the other side of the axle is pushed down, giving it greater traction. Live axle will often have greater articulation, as well.

    For towing a whole lotta weight, live axle will probably better. It can handle the weight.

    For towing something more modest (between 4,000 - 7,000 lbs) IRS may be better. IRS can handle that much. So, IRS has an advantage because of its greater ability to steer that weight.

    Gotta go...
  • lowcruzrlowcruzr Posts: 8
    The approach/departure/breakover angles I've gotten out of the brochures are as follows:
    Frontier: 31.5 / 22.6 / 20.6
    Tacoma: 35 / 26 / 21
    Ridgeline: 24.5 / 22.0 / 21

    Trailer hitches are NOT included in those angles.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,461
    What is a "breakover" angle?
  • Very good (comprehensive) comparison, and I agree with your assessment for yourself. As soon as you said you need a "work" truck and do a lot of off-roading, I figured the Ridge wasn't really for you, also.

    I just wanted to let you know that Honda does have a Tonneau cover for the bed, and 4 inches more leg room in the back seat than the Tacoma IS a big difference when you're knockin knees against the front seat. Along with the extra width of the interior, the Ridge feels much bigger than the Tacoma doublecab. I loved the Tacoma when I drove it a few months ago, and love my Ridgeline now.

    One thing that steered me away from the Tacoma was that I read about a lot of mechanical problems/complaints on the brand new '05 and really didn't want to put up with that. I also started considering the Tundra, but also read about brake problems. I did take a gamble with the new model Honda, and it is paying off as far as I can tell. (I've had Honda's and Toyota's forever!)

    Anyway, come home soon. (And, ps. I also like the Frontier and have heard a lot of good things about it. My neighbor has one and loves it.)
  • jak3676jak3676 Posts: 5
    Matt,

    Your safety remark doesn't make sense. You state that AWD isn't safer for on-road driving, then say, "In fact Full time 4wd might worsen the situation at higher speeds." You seem to be contradicting yourself. I'm of the opinion that AWD is safer for the unexpected slippery road conditions. Unless you are already in 4WD you won't have that benefit. Of course if you are already in 4WD in poor driving conditions, that would be similar to AWD. 4WD requires more knowledge and appropriate use from the driver. AWD is somewhat dummy proof.

    I never said that VSC wasn't available on every model of Taco, only that it was only available with limited option packages. It is possible to select VSC with a 4x4 6-speed manual model. You cannot combine VSC with SR5 package #8 or either of the TRD packages however. The towing options are built into SR5 package #8 or TRD Off-Road package #2. That means no towing options or off-road packages are availabe in combination with VSC. Please prove me wrong. I'd love to be able to get it all. Here's the website I'm using that's telling me I can't do it.

    http://configurator.setbuyatoyota.com/ie4_page.asp?host=www.toyozone.com&dealer_code=10113- &carname=tacomadouble

    happy trucking
  • whaleyawhaleya Posts: 28
    The full time 4wd is much better verses part time if you live in snow country. With part time you need to switch in and out of 4wd depending on the road. 4wd on the back road, 2wd on a main road, back to 4wd for an areas not plowed, ect. Imagine turning left at a light, hitting the gas and just spinning your rear wheels since the road is a bit icy and you forgot to put it in 4wd. With full time 4wd it's not an issue.

    Having driving many cars with full time and part time 4wd, full time beats anything in snow.

    The features that won me over on the Honda:
    Full time 4wd
    built in nav system with rear camera (option)
    trunk
    large back seats that fold UP for a big flat floor for the dogs
    highway and city ride
    heated mirrors, window, seats, dual climate control with air filter
    Built in XM
    Width of bed
    Short (relative) length of truck
    Tire pressure monitor

    Some things I don't like:
    ground clearance
    lack of skid plates
    off road ability (lack of) - 4wd system, no 4 low, suspension articulation
    Wide truck can be difficult to park (trade off for wide bed)

    As for towing, I have towed a 3000lb trailer and you don't even feel the trailer when towing, of course the acceleration is slower. I have also towed with the last generation Taco (pre 05) with TRD and the Taco would bounce all over when towing the same trailer. I have no information on towing with the new Taco.

    I wouldn't tow a 5000lb trailer with any mid size truck. It's never a good idea to push the max trailer weight. If you want to tow a 5000lb trailer get a full size truck.

    This is my first truck with VSC and it's nothing short of amazing. I tried to whip out the rear end on a fresh snow and as soon as the tail would start to come around the system would activate and bring everything back in line. If you buy any truck or car, only consider ones with VSC (no matter what brand)
  • gearhead1gearhead1 Posts: 408
    I agree, unless your truck is off road in the dirt and mud more than 50% of the time, unquestionably AWD with VSC is better. It would be nice to have 4Lo (we all want everything, dont we? It's part of being American I guess.), but from my experience thus far, (Deep dry sand) I will never need it in this vehicle.

    This is what the ridgeline can handle competently. If your doing more than this, don't buy it.

    Can't wait to try these 14 performance criteria out. From autoworld.com:

    Honda engineers concluded that a robust medium-duty off-road capability was most consistent with the needs of the customer and the philosophy behind a next generation of truck that offers a smarter balance of capabilities with a higher level of comfort, convenience and real-world versatility. Medium-duty capability readily supports trips to remote trailheads for motorcycle, ATV and mountain bike riding, and camping, as well as excellent all-weather capabilities. Also, anybody who has ever driven down a "washboard" dirt road in a body-on-frame truck can appreciate the refinement afforded by the Ridgeline's unibody structure, which more effectively minimizes the severe vibrations that can occur. To define exactly what constitutes medium-duty off-road capability, the Ridgeline engineering team selected 14 key performance criteria based on observations of typical off-road adventurers. They then utilized special test courses at their R&D facilities in North America to assure that the Ridgeline delivers all the intended capabilities with impeccable reliability and durability along with real world verification.

    The list of test courses includes:

    28-degree dirt hill
    Sand hill
    Water pit
    Rock roads
    Embedded log course
    Step-up, step-down
    Sand drag strip
    Gully course
    Ground contact course
    Washboard road
    Frame twister
    Power hop hill (23-degree slope with rippled surface)
    Gravel road
    Startable grade
    The results speak for themselves - the Ridgeline has 8.2 inches of ground clearance, a 25-degree approach angle, a 22-degree departure angle, and a 21-degree breakover angle for negotiating rough terrain. It can claw up a 28-degree (53-percent) dirt slope from a dead stop. It can tow a 5,000-pound boat up the steepest of boat ramps.
  • tacoridgetacoridge Posts: 17
    Yes, you can put a bed cover on the ridgeline, infact it is a dealer (over priced) option and is bi-fold for easy on and off.
  • eaglegeagleg Posts: 87
    It's really too bad Honda couldn't make a truck with a bit more curb appeal! The Ridgeline has got to be one of the ugliest trucks on the road today. I don't think the crap can overcome the truck.
  • gd113gd113 Posts: 114
    I wish I could figure out then why so many people look and check my truck out and come up and ask me questions about like they want one. Maybe you should see one in person. Although I'm sure many here will respect your opinion.
  • eaglegeagleg Posts: 87
    People were curious when they saw the elephant man as well!
  • gd113gd113 Posts: 114
    Your are very witty. If you read my post I said they asked my questions that expressed interest not disgust.
  • eaglegeagleg Posts: 87
    Just don't let the Edmunds people take your baby off road.They didn't have many good things to say about the Rimline, I mean Ridgeline.
  • gd113gd113 Posts: 114
    Thats great if you live where you can go off roading. As I live in area area where it is not possible, why do I care. As long as my baby performs in the snow thats all I care about as my guess is probably 90% of pickup drivers do.
  • gearhead1gearhead1 Posts: 408
    "It's really too bad Honda couldn't make a truck with a bit more curb appeal! The Ridgeline has got to be one of the ugliest trucks on the road today. I don't think the crap can overcome the truck."

    Interesting you should comment on the styling. Marketing people have done research on the styling of cars with controversial styling that provoke strong negative and positve reactions ( I think it's a beautiful design by the way) sell better than just a bland design that elicits no reaction. They conclude that this will work in Hondas favor. The PT Cruiser and thde Element both have cult followings. The Aztek not so much. Bland is not better most definitly, and for all the bitching I hear about the styling, people sure do seek me out at every fill up and parking lot telling me how much they like it.
  • gd113gd113 Posts: 114
    "people sure do seek me out at every fill up and parking lot telling me how much they like it. "

    I have the same strange reaction gearhead1. :P
  • roaddog1roaddog1 Posts: 18
    Hi. Brand New Owner here. I looked closely at the Tacoma, Honda and Frontier and liked all of them for various reasons. I eliminated the Fontier early on and chose between the Honda and Toy. I picked the Honda over the Taco double cab Sport because 1. I do not go off-road (on purpose), 2. the Honda had a huge list of features on it that the Toyota did not. And, 3. the Honda dealer actually dropped the lease price to equal that of the Taco while the Toyota dealer did not want to deal at all. My wife and my construction business will be the primary users and we commute on the Highway. I tow a large utility trailer and need something that will stay on the highway under severe winter conditions. I admire the Tacoma as a strong, capable truck but the Ridgeline fits my needs better.

    PS: I think the Toyota is a good looking truck and the Ridgeline is kind of ugly, but my wife likes it.
  • eaglegeagleg Posts: 87
    I wanna be one of those people driving an Element or a PT Cruiser or a Rimline instead of my Indigo Blue 05 Tacoma D/C Long Bed 4x4 4.0 V6 5 SPD/Auto TRD Sport Pkg. 4
  • gearhead1gearhead1 Posts: 408
    "I wanna be one of those people driving an Element or a PT Cruiser or a Rimline instead of my Indigo Blue 05 Tacoma D/C Long Bed 4x4 4.0 V6 5 SPD/Auto TRD Sport Pkg. 4"

    So did I, that's why I bought a Ridgeline instead of my Taco Sport.
  • KCRamKCRam Mt. Arlington NJPosts: 3,516
    What is a "breakover" angle?

    Breakover angle is the clearance angle between the axles. The lower the number, the more likely you are to get high-centered on a rock or other such object.

    kcram - Pickups Host
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