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2006 Toyota RAV4

MT hinted that the next Rav4 is due THIS FALL, and will be bigger, with corporation's 3.3 V6 and an auto tranny.

 

   Given it's successful test this month in MT, Manual, 0-60 in 7.8, 2 seconds faster than Escape Hybrid, $10k less, loses 3 MPG, same interior room), I'd say that might be a mistake, especially with Highlander above it. Where would it go?

 

   Your thoughts!

 

   Drfill
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  • vcarrerasvcarreras Posts: 247
    If you look at the Autoweek fourm you will see some drawings of the 06 RAV4. It has hints of a 4Runner in the front and VW Toureg in back. Note the drawing does not show the spare tire/wheel in back and it has a rear bumper. I would be interested especially if Toyota adds the 5 speed automatic to the 2.4 liter 4 cylinder which with better gearing give it better acceleration and mpg. Think the 3.3 V6 would take sales from the Highlander..
  • They can use the 2.5 six from the new Lexus IS, at 220hP, and the Camry's 2.4.

     

       I want a manual in it, for economy and fun.

     

       It's bad enough it has a girly look.

     

       DrFill
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    As long as the RAV stays smaller than the HL (which it is), I dont see any reason why there would be overlap of sales, despite the RAVs new V6.

     

    Should be interesting.

     

    The current RAV4 AWD, lightly optioned, IMO, is an SUV bargain- fun to drive, peppy, good fuel economy, standard VSC, sharp looking.

     

    ~alpha
  • I don't think it's gonna get a V6 you know... Look:

     

    RAV4: I4 ONLY

    Highlander: I4 and V6

    4Runner: V6 and V8

    Sequoia: V8 ONLY

     

    You can't put a V6 in the RAV4 since:

    - It's gonna steal sales of the Highlander unless the Highlander gets a V8, the 4runner a V10 and a only V10 for the sequoia (2 vehicles can't get the same exact number of cylinders even if they're sizes are different, the upper vehicle must get a bigger engine at least in its most luxurious version if not it's stupid, that's what I think)

     

    - The Rav4 doesn't need a V6, just a well balanced I4 and good gearing will be enough to realise good acceleration and nobody buys a RAV4 to trail his/her house anyway! I think the RAV4 was built for people who want versatility that's all!
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    I think you're wrong, and I've read in more than Motor Trend that the RAV would be getting a V6 in this coming, third generation.

     

    ~alpha
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    because HL will undoubtedly become a substantially bigger vehicle with its own redesign scheduled to come very soon, so even if RAV gets an optional V-6, it will still be a lot smaller.

     

    Not to mention, I bet the next-gen Highlander will not have a 4-cyl for the base engine. You can kiss those days goodbye.

     

    Whereas I bet if they put an optional V-6 in the mix for the RAV, it will sell in Camrylike proportions: 3/4 or more 4-cylinder, 1/4 or less V-6. Most people want a small versatile SUV that DOESN'T suck gas like the monster SUVs, that's part of the reason they look at RAV in the first place. I hope they boost the fuel economy of the 4-cyl significantly without boosting power (why boost power when there's an optional V-6 with juicier profit margins available?) for '06.

     

    As for me, I would say the rear end looks like a cross between a Touareg and the Isuzu VehiCross - remember that one? The front end looks OK for a Toyota, but did the sides really need to get EVEN MORE chunking up than they already have?? The pics sure make it look longer than it is now.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • http://www.donlen.com/buildstart_toyota.asp

     

    Note the entry for "RAV4 V6", with a job 1 date of 1/06. That site is almost always accurate -- they are a fleet leasing company so they have to know what's available. There are some other interesting Toyota tidbits in that chart too.

     

    -Andrew L
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    that the only engine available at the launch of the next gen RAV will be the 4-cyl, with the V-6 to lag behind it by two months. That furthers my conviction that the volume engine for the RAV will be the 4-cyl.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • I have heard some rumors that the '06 Rav4 will have a 3rd row. Has anyone heard anything about this? Also, does anyone know if you'll still be able to get a manual shift? Thanks.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    I hope not, and I hope SO, in that order! :-)

     

    It will probably be Toyota SOP: announce a base model with a stick shift so as to make the model's base price sound really low, then only build a dozen or so manual shifts for the entire country. And I will bet that the optional V-6, if there is one, will come packaged only with the automatic, which hopefully will be the 5-speed from the Camry etc (since the 4-cyl engine is shared between the two models).

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • wheelz4wheelz4 Posts: 569
    Actually, I wouldn't mind if the new Rav had a 3rd row, even if it was only for kids/occasional use. I've been looking into the Mazda5, but if I could get something similar, with a little more ground clearance and AWD, it would be a done deal.

    A 4+2 or 5+2 Rav just might fit the bill, as the nearly $40,000 7 passenger Highlander is way out of our budget.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    would kind of take a lot of the "cute" out of this cute ute. Make it too big and it gets lost in the ocean of midsize crossovers, not to mention it begins to steal HL sales.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,902
    Exactly what I was thinking - not everyone wants a 3-row SUV, and these mini-SUVs are designed to suit that taste, while the Highlander is designed for those who want/need a 3rd row.

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  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    even the least expensive of the crossovers/SUVs that offer a third row sell in a higher price class than the RAV, except maybe the Suzuki XL-7, or something like that. So if the price is the only turn-off to the three-row HL for you, then you should be aware that (a) there are cheaper alternatives than the Toyota, and (b) you have to ante up a little more money than the range of the RAV to get a three-row SUV.

     

    I can just imagine how long the RAV would have to be to accomodate a third row - it would completely change the nature of the vehicle.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    MT this month has a short blurb about the '06, saying it has been lengthened a little but not enough to accomodate a third row, and that the 3.3L V-6 from the Camry is expected to be an optional engine. There are no pictures, unfortunately.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • Apparently a video being shown to Toyota corporate employees on vehicles being launched in the next 15 months reveils that the new RAV4 will be longer and able to accomodate a third row seat.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    Could there be a Lexus version?
  • wheelz4wheelz4 Posts: 569
    Current length of the Rav-4 is 168.04" with a wheelbase of 98.11". Current length of the Toyota Corolla Verso (with 3 rows of seats) is 171.78" with a wheelbase of 108.35". Therefore, the Rav-4 wouldn't have to grow that much to accomodate a 3rd row. Given it's height advantage, the 3rd row may even be more accomodating than the one in the Verso, though probably still best for kids / temporary use.
    A longer wheelbase would improve ride quality as well. The perfect vehicle for us would be a combination of a Rav-4, Honda Element and Mazda5, able to seat 4 comfortably but 6 or 7 in a pinch (literally!) with the foul-weather traction and ground clearance of the Rav and the versatility/scrubbability of the Element. If Toyota could pull all those 'elements' together in one vehicle, we'd be sold.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    here, but I really hope they don't offer a third row in the next RAV. RAV launched the cute ute segment - it was the innovator. There is nothing "cute" about a ute big enough to have three rows. The RAV could use a few more inches of wheelbase so that actual human adults could ride in that back seat for more than five minutes, but that is all. Apart from that I hope it stays mostly the same - the passenger compartment should be about the size of the Corolla, plus a few percent maybe.

    In the last ten years Toyota has jumped up the size of successive generations of its models too much, IMO. I am hoping the '06 RAV will be the exception to this trend.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • c14c14 Posts: 6
    I wonder how the 2.4 will handle the bigger 2006 RAV 4.
  • I wish people would stop this third row nonsense regarding every car. People... that's what minivans and Suburbans are for!
    Would you want anyone to be squeezed up against a tailgate?
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    well, they will have the HL's V-6 as an option for the next RAV, which bodes ill for holding the size in check for the next gen. But the 2.4 is pretty peppy in the current car, so if they can just hold the weight increase to 100 pounds or so, it should be fine.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Motor Trend recently timed the 2005 RAV4 5M to 60 in just 7.8 seconds...

    ~alpha
  • I agree with you there. Currently, no compact SUV even offers a third row seat. That's what the midsize SUV's are suposed to offer. Offering a third row seat means a considerable increase in length, meaning the RAV4 will be the size of the Toyota Highlander or 4Runner. Then it will eat the sales of these vehicles. No, simply put it is foolish for any automotive manufacturer to try to stuff a third row in a compact SUV. It would be incredibly cramped, and then you're probably better off with a shorter vehicle with two rows than a longer vehicle with an uncomfortable third row. Full Size SUVs and minivans have uncomfortable third rows, imagine how bad it would be in a COMPACT SUV. A third row means more work for the engine, because of the additional weight.

    Forget about a third row seat in the new RAV4, or for that matter in any compact SUV. people, it's not going to happen. If you want a third row seat in a Toyota, buy a 4Runner or a Sequoia or a Highlander or the Land CRuiser.
  • wheelz4wheelz4 Posts: 569
    With the 2006 RAV4 due to start rolling off the assembly lines before the end of the year (ie in about 6 months), don't you think we should have some concrete pics by now? Or is Toyota getting as secretive as Honda about certain new models? After all, we already know pretty much what the FJ Cruiser is going to look like.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    I wouldn't mind seeing pics either. So far I haven't heard a whisper about the new model, at least not firsthand.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • wheelz4wheelz4 Posts: 569
    If they do put in a 3rd row as is rumoured, let's hope we get a real rear bumper and that the spare comes off the door......
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    That's my chant and I am sticking to it!

    I would love to see the spare come off the rear door though.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • normalcnormalc Posts: 1
    I think Toyota may use the new small V6 that has been just introduced for the 2006 Lexus IS. This would be a great engine for the new Rav.
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