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2006 Toyota RAV4

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  • mkolmkol Posts: 6
    I live in CA and was wondering if any of you know whether dealerships have show-models of the 06 RAV4, and if not when do you anticipate this happening? I am highly interested, but I need to test drive one first. I am between the AWD Rav4 4 cyl. and the Forester XT. Can't make up my mind yet... :blush:
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    Another factor to look at is not only the space in the 3rd row, but the space behind it. If you're ever planning on needing a reasonably amount of luggage space behind the 3rd row, you may not find much in the Pilot, Highlander, etc. We have a Ford Freestyle. Not as wide as the Pilot, but longer, so the 3rd row seats only two, but there's plenty of leg room for adults and space behind the 3rd row for luggage. The 2nd row is huge too. But if it's only kids to sit in the 3rd row and you're not worried about the luggage space, then you have a lot of options.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Yes, but your FreeStyle is FWD torque biased and does not have VSC...!

    Ford still cutting "class" corners.
  • 01mdx01mdx Posts: 45
    For those interested in the V6, check out page 4 of the online brochure which says that the V6 is not available until early February 06. I am sure the dealerships will not have any until then. Is the V6 the only model with the 3rd row available?

    I am not sure if I can wait that long plus I am probably looking at a Pilot or Odyssey for the 3rd row. I know it doesn't really fit the character of the car but if the Murano had a 3rd row, I might be interested. I never thought that would be a big selling point but in the last year I have used the 3rd row on my MDX quite frequently.
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    True, but I only have the FWD version anyway.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    Its still a nice car though. Especially at year end when Ford rolled out the Employee Pricing Red Carpet.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Then I hope you have traction control at least.
  • Didn't Ford Announce they will discontinue the FreeStyle after 2007? If so buy it quick before they are gone.

    Ford has greatly improve quality and efficiency. They are now more reliable and cheaper so are better to buy than Toyota. Toyota prove to be the most unreliable cars. They have so many recalls and quality issues. Toyota recalls 246,592 vehicles Today!!! That is sad and shows poor quality. Nobody buy a Toyota and support your country. Don't help another. I am not being racist but if American Companies get bankrupt, then Americans will be in trouble.
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    Yes, I have the traction control. But I don't live in big snow country, so that's why I didn't get the AWD.
  • 719b719b Posts: 216
    what you're saying is a political statement and not based on fact. japanese manufacturers still make the most reliable automobiles.
    would you like to compare recalls of american car makers with japanese car makers?
    buying american is a worthy slogan as long as everything else is equal. our quality isn't equal.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,914
    Folks, this conversation is way off-topic for a discussion about the 06 Rav4. Please stick to discussing this vehicle specifically. Thanks!

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  • When comparing the features available in 2006 Rav4 europe and US, I see that there are many features available in europe which are not available in US. For example,

    engine start/stop button
    GPS navigation
    Bluetooth integration on the steering wheel.

    Why would Toyota do this? Do they think United States uses less technology than Europe. Or do they think they can sell any crap with name Toyota to United States?
  • I always admired Toyota but what theyre doing right now with their new car releases isnt fair.
    I dont care if you have the capacity or not but USA is your biggest market! Bigger than Japan. So treat us right and at least give us a choice.
    Have you learned any lesson from present GM's situation? Listen to your customer and you'll not go wrong.
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    I don't think this is unique with Toyota. It seem like every car sold in Europe ends up with more options that those sold in the US. I don't know why. I'm sure it has to do with the bean counters determining what will give them the most profit. Or marketing studies that identify how many people would be interested in "X" option.
  • It will be interesting to know how these studies are conducted to identify what the customers want. Have anybody in this group participated in a such a study from a car manufacturer. I guess not. So who are these study participants? If they have really done such a study we would not have the spare tire at the back of 2006 rav4. I think couple of people from Toyota get together in a room and start deciding what should be added in a new car. They decide to give the goodies to Europe and some crap to US.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    they think that since Europe has less space, people will spend more on fully loaded smaller cars while Americans prefer "bigger and less equipped" to the fully loaded small car.

    How many of us (and our friends) would take the Accord VP over the Civic EX?

    Quite a few.
  • wmquanwmquan Posts: 1,817
    Isn't one reason Toyotas are "lower-end" here, simply the existence of the Lexus brand in the U.S? Toyota can't option out their vehicles that well here, else it competes with Lexus.

    Whereas the Lexus brand is only starting (?) to be marketed in Europe. So they can equip their vehicles nicer there without cannibalizing their own sales.

    I'm hopeful that some of the nicer features (e.g. Bluetooth) will make it into the "RAV6" Limited, but I'm not holding my breath.
  • nowakj66nowakj66 Posts: 709
    Any word on prices for the 06 RAV4?
  • I think they're very slow to catch on. I think the market for big SUV is in decline and most people are looking for smaller SUV/Xover when its time to replace their aging SUV's. Present and upcoming SUV buyers are already doing that, including me since I'm in the market for a Xover.
    Six months ago I was considering the 4Runner, Pilot, and Pathfinder. But after what happened to gasoline price, I changed my mind. We werent considering to buy bare bones , we want leather , Navs, side airbags because we want all the comfort when travelling with the children and friends. Beside these vehicles arent exactly the commuter types where you could tolerate some discomfort since its just you in the car.
    3rd row w/out leather, no Navs, I'm sorry but RAV4 is off the list. Its a shame because my wife's die hard Toyota admirer and I'm sort of her convert to the brand. Hmm, the new Sta. Fe is looking good.
  • wmquanwmquan Posts: 1,817
    3rd row w/out leather

    Doesn't that just mean that the first two rows are leather, but the third row is vinyl that matches the color of the leather?

    A vinyl third row in a vehicle with leather first and second rows isn't unusual. E.g. the Pilot and MDX are like that. I suppose the idea is that the third row is just for small kids, and vinyl would be easier to clean, and it's a cost-cutting measure.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    there's a lot of enthusiasm here for the new grown-up RAV, which is great, but won't ANYONE here be sad when the car that essentially started the cute ute segment stops being one after December? This thing is getting way too big to be considered a cute ute any longer. :-(

    And no, I don't consider the xB to be an acceptable substitute!

    As for options, Europeans buy cars less frequently, spend a LOT more of their income (as a percentage) on one when they buy, and are very willing to pay more for premium features in otherwise smaller less expensive models. All of which differs greatly from U.S. car-buying habits. Which is why automakers go for volume and leave off a few of the high-zoot frills for their North America-bound models.

    Of course, as common as NAV is becoming even in inexpensive models, I am surprised if it is true that the '06 RAV will not offer it as an option?

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • My understanding is leather isnt available all together if you opt for a 3rd row seat. That means cloth seat everything, if you opt for a 3rd row seat.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I was pretty excited to see the first RAV4, at Pittsburg Airport to be precise. I think it was late 1995.

    But I drove it and found it a bit small, and that was even before I had kids. So I'm not going to lament that it grew up in to a more useable size, as long as they don't make it too heavy.

    The outgoing model pretty much has 2 individual rear seats, I would not put a 3rd person back there that I liked. ;)

    I bet they'll move the next Matrix up in size to fill the gap, given they have an AWD Matrix model (albeit with a measly 123hp).

    Note that one press release indicated that Toyota will outsource some engineering/development of a "sport compact" to Subaru, since they have a shortage of engineers. They could very well be talking about the next Matrix. Could it be Forester-based? Impreza-based? We'll see, but it could certainly fill up the slot formerly occupied by the outgoing RAV4.

    -juice
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Guessing that the '07 Highlander goes on the Sienna frame like the Pilot is on the Odessey. It too should get the 3.5L. Now there is a distinct difference between the V6 RAV and the V6 Highlander
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    It will be interesting to know how these studies are conducted to identify what the customers want. Have anybody in this group participated in a such a study from a car manufacturer. I guess not. So who are these study participants?

    I'll try not to be too kiss-a** here but the participants in these forums here are carsmart and savvy about features and demands. Ever see a long discussion about 4c Camry's vs 4c Accords vs 4c Altima's.. nope, not here. It would draw a big yawn.

    But being on the ground as people come in to buy many, many more people ask for nothing ... nothing at all... in their vehicles in order to get the price lower. This includes the RAV. Initially the 'early adopters' will jump to buy but later in 18 mos or so the bulk of the market will come in after waiting for the 'hype' to end and ask 'Do I have to pay for these mats?'.. 'I have no use for a Navi and I certainly dont want to pay for it'..'Bluetooth???'

    as nipponly says below:
    As for options, Europeans buy cars less frequently, spend a LOT more of their income (as a percentage) on one when they buy, and are very willing to pay more for premium features in otherwise smaller less expensive models. All of which differs greatly from U.S. car-buying habits. Which is why automakers go for volume and leave off a few of the high-zoot frills for their North America-bound models

    I dont think Toyota marketing misses very much in understanding the US buyer or the European buyer either. We are as a group here mostly interested in good basic no frills transportation. It's what I hear most often every day.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    I know a LOT of people who just want something that gets them where they need to go safely, cheaply, and reliably.
  • The whole attraction to the rav was its small mini SUV status. The 06 looks big and ugly in my opinion which is why I opted to get the 05 model before the new morphs. I wish they kept the exterior shell the same but upgraded the outdated interior.
  • So what you're saying is we as a consumer dont get to have a choice?
    "So here's a RAV4 w/out Navs and smart start take it or leave it cause you all cant pay for the Navs anyway"

    Is that it?
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Another view is 'you cant be all things to all people'. One reason Toyota does so well in production efficiency is the repition and high volume allow it to tighten and tighten then retighten the process down on the highest volume. For example are the Camrys as 'exciting' as the Accords or Altimas.. not until now. But they do hit the center of the market and sell the highest volumes at the lowest costs. That's the essence of good business.

    The Navi may be offered as a stand-alone option if the demand is great enough. Until now though the RAV has not been a high-end vehicle with high-end features. It's been the entry level ute where a low price is much more critical than upscale features.
  • myobmyob Posts: 47
    As for choosing a vehicle based on the availability of a nav system....there are alternatives.

    1. Buy an aftermarket one and stick it up in the corner if you just must have one. Then pocket the hundreds of dollars you'll save vs a built in unit or enjoy it having fun.

    2. Buy a quality set of paper maps/Atlases. I have a business where I have to go to different locations each day, and not always easy to find ones, and have managed to live w/o NAV pretty well. I also am on the expressway for 6-7 hours one day each week. For the $2,000 cost of an integrated NAV system it pays me about $10 every time I have to pull over to check where I am. That's about $200/hour. It helps ease the pain that way. And the human brain is often better at routing than any computer is.

    3. You can't transfer a built-in NAV system from vehicle to vehicle. You'll have to buy one for each vehicle you own. I plan on getting a portable NAV soon for myself, It will go in the Pickup on weekdays for work, the BMW on the road trips to the Florida home, and the Saab when we're in my wife's car.

    4. Use a good pc map system to preprint routes before you leave home.

    5. There are some pretty good in-dash aftermarket NAV systems around. Not cheap, but they give you most of the seamless integration of OEM ones.

    NAV is a cool toy, but hardly a reason to determine how you'll spend $25,000 or more on a vehicle. Especially if you're buying in the RAV4 category for the presumable value and economy of it. And the new does wear off eventually and you see it as a tool, not a cool toy. I doubt you'd be as satisfied in a lesser vehicle with NAV than in a RAV4 you otherwise love w/o it. Spend the savings on a quality radar detector. They've saved me dozens of times.

    BTW, I think the new bigger RAV4 with sport pkg has the potential to be a reasonable BMW X3/5 substitute for far less money. If it lives up to expectations, it will probably replace our Saab next year. There are just so few truely sporty SUVs out there. Some have brute power, but are ponderous to drive. Others have the handling too, but ride like buckboards and are more of a SUV/Camaro than a refined ride.

    Any word on when they will arrive on lots? I'm eager to test drive one.

    Oh yeah, a lot of cars have NAV show up after a year or so. The technical problems of integrating it can delay a ready date they may want to hit for marketing reasons. Our Saab 9-3 Sport Sedan had that situation. Avail in Europe in '03, but not here.
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