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Saab 9-3 SportCombi

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  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    Well then she's got a simple schedule.
    8AM- Saab dealer
    10AM- Chevy dealer
    2PM- Saab dealer
    4PM- Chevy Dealer

    I'd set aside a day to just shop shop shop and drive sales people crazy.
  • Don't be a fool!(LOL)Doesn't always work does it? I too am a woman named Sue who is also looking for a new car. I have purchased over 30 since 1990 ranging from a BMW M to a Miata to an Audi A6 to a Honda Civic. My salemen know me and will not prejudge. I know cars well in and out and probably know how to drive better than most. I do SCCA Solo. I may go into a dealership looking for a staid minivan and come out with a hot convertible or vice-versa. Last year I bought two cars on the same day, mind you I had not decided on the type (SUV, sedan ,sportscar etc.)But since my salesman was not a wus(SP?) he make two very quick and easy sales. I hope you are not from the Grand Rapids SAAB dealer, because I can easily choose to buy something else. I drove the 9.3 Sport Combi this week and it was great, small but great. Keep and open mind and I will open my wallet. Sue
  • If the Saab dealer is smart, he'll give her a loaner car as close to what she wants as possible for the entire day. It would probably be a sedan instead of wagon but they handle the same in my experience.

    I once had a dealer who was a family friend loan me a used Honda Prelude for a week while I shopped for other cars. I bought the Prelude at the end of the week.

    If she is driving a Saab to and from other dealers, she’ll probably buy the Saab.
  • gmroygmroy Posts: 30
    Ya jc and Dave I pretty much have to stick to the GM products. My daughter said the other day Mom you would look hot in a Dodge Charger so I asked my husband if I could go down and test drive one. You hould of seen the look on his face!LOL For no longer being loyal to GM you could of fooled me! I like all the cars on my first schedule you made me and I would love to drive them but like Dave said what good would it do if I can't have one. But the 2nd schedule I plan on giving a try maybe sat if the roads are good and the other dealer has the combi in yet. And ya It would be neat if they would give me a combi to use for the weekend so I can really tell if I like it or not thats a great idea! All dealers should do that so a person can really get the feel of the car.
  • saablcpsaablcp Posts: 195
    I certainly hope that response wasn't after reading my follow-up post.I specifically addressed the fact that I never treat women condescendingly or feel I have to "dumb"things down to "their level".An educated knowledgeable customer regardless of gender is my best customer.This particular woman has made numerous statements in her posts that would lead me to believe that she wants to be treated in exactly the manner I refer to above,as inherently less capable of making an informed decision than a man and thats unfortunate.In todays market place professional women command and deserve respectful treatment and I am always mindful of that.I admit to being flippant in respect to this womans expressed needs,but in all honesty,I think she takes some enjoyment in presenting herself as a "Ditz"
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    Maybe you should ask the dealer for their loaner, as somebody else said (I forget your username) and then just drive it all around town all weekend.

    Its a nice way to get a great feel for the car.

    I wonder how many SportCombis will end up as loaners. None?
  • There are so few SportCombi's right now that I doubt any have been made into loaners yet.

    Driving a 9-3 Sedan feels exactly the same (we drove both). As long as you don't look behind you, you won't know the difference.
  • saablcpsaablcp Posts: 195
    You make a good point...given the minimal difference in size any impressions you gain from driving the 9-3 sedan should be accurate in respect to the Sport-combi. The only exception being a slight difference in perfomance due to the Sport-combi having a higher G.V.W..In respect to loaners,Dealers are being encouraged to put their first Sport-combi's into a factory sponsored Demonstrator program.They are not available for sale for 4 mos.after which they will have a $2,000 rebate.This would be a vehicle any dealer should be able to offer for an overnight extended test drive.
  • smu1976smu1976 Posts: 110
    Get a 9-2 for a loaner. If someone is buying this thing for anything near the sticker of 32K, its crazy.
    Saab needs to get their MSRP's down and stop discounting so heavy. Most people compare stickers and think the discounts are similar. Audi, BMW, MB and surely Lexus, Acura don't come off sticker too much but have similar price points with Saab @ MSRP. But Saab will discount heavy, why do they do this? Get closer to their selling price and they move some cars in this country. I have had four Saabs and I don't put them up there with BMW, MB or Audi (maybe Volvo). But I don't pay what those car cost.
    I would also say that Saab had the worse resale value there is of all these models. Saab needs to sell their enginering, perfomance (finally some of this is here), at a fair price (near luxury, not luxury). Just my thoughts.
    A 9-5 sticker for 45K is wrong, same as a 9-2 for 32K? Sticker shock, hell people run from the dealers and Internet with these stupid MSRP's.
  • saablcpsaablcp Posts: 195
    YO! Did you bother to read ANY of the posts on the Saab sites regarding Saabs revamped pricing structure? Saab core product 9-3 and 9-5's ALL reduced in price for '06 by $3-4K. on average.A well equipped '06 9-5 sedan with Auto.Trans.and 260H.P.Turbo lists out at $36,170!!and there is nothing you can add to the car to get it above a list of $42,800(incl.Navigation,ventilated seats,metallic paint,visibility pkg.and sport pkg.)So.. your thinking is correct...but Saab has already taken those steps.
  • jjce1bjjce1b Posts: 6
    After searching high and low at the car show last week, I found the Saab display buried in the corner next to the Jaguars. I'm just glad they showed up. Volvo skipped it!

    They only had one 93 SC on display. It was a base model with the 16" wheels, grey on grey. I was very impressed with the car. I felt the size of the vehicle was perfect. Not too big, yet not too small. A good compromise. Maybe they sacrificed some backseat room for more storage space. Fine with me. The prices quoted to me by the Saab guy (no dealers present) were very attractive compared to equal cars from other builders (bmw, audi, vw, volvo).

    I understand buying a Saab now is a gamble, with mother GM is strangling the company. Will they be around in a year? Is Saab still able to service the dealers. so they can service me? I feel these are really good cars, and just don't get the respect they deserve.

    I have followed this board from the start, but haven't heard any driving impressions of the cars. Specifically the Aero package. I know it has the corporate V6 and it's a hot rod, but what other GM cars have this engine in it? How harsh is the Aero ride?

    I am new to Saab, but am impressed with their products (okay, maybe not the 92x and 97x). Any general reliability issues with the 93 cars?

    Any comments would be greatly appreciated.....off to the dealer to go check one out!

    One more thing....anyone use B&B Saab? Good? Bad? Okay?

    Thanks!
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    is also in the base Cadillac CTS.

    CR has 9-3's reliability pegged at Really Bad, but I personally would be willing to take a gamble.

    I like Saabs too. Too bad GM doesn't respect them, and neither do Consumers, who prefer Lexus, BMW, Mercedes, and Audi.

    I bet if GM gave Saab some cash and a few years the engineers could turn around the company.

    It should be around. GM has said they have big plans, but we don't know how "big" those plans are.
  • jjce1bjjce1b Posts: 6
    I got my hands on a 93 Aero SC with the 6-speed stick. What a ride! Oh how I love turbos...

    Likes: Perfect size, great seats and dash, engine, tranny, quiet, feels solid, price

    Dislikes: Steering wheel (old Onstar buttons that do nothing), Nav (definitely not worth that kind of money)

    I don't know if I would call it turbo lag, I think all turbo engines have "lag", but you want to be in the right gear to get the right rpm to really make this car fly. I think it's just getting used to the engine and gearbox.

    This car had no roof fails, nav, or cold weather package and was stickered at 35$.

    Definitely an attractive package.....
  • jjce1bjjce1b Posts: 6
    Funny thing reliability. At the market they had the Consumer Reports Car Buying Guide right next to the Consumer Guide Car Buying Guide. Check this out: CR says poor reliability and not recommended, while saying the opposite for the 95. CG says 93 reliability is good and recommends the 93, while saying the opposite for the 95.

    As far as I am concerned, they are both full of it, and will depend more on these boards and magazines for accurate reliability reports.
  • saablcpsaablcp Posts: 195
    Safe to presume that reliability is a projection of future performance based on a vehicles past reliability record.That being said,take a look at the used car reliability records listed in the back of the issue.This is where they take and breakdown the vehicles reliability into 14 different categories.Try and figure out how those past records could lead to the projections CR makes for future reliability.There are WAY too many discrepancies between the ratings posted for previous years and the projections for future years.
  • dhanleydhanley Posts: 1,531
    IMO, for any car it's a crapshoot. Yes, a camry will probably be more reliable than a 9-3 for example, but there is a respectable area of statistical crossover. Personally, i'd buy whatever i like, a long warranty, and not worry.

    dave
  • dino001dino001 Tampa, FLPosts: 3,486
    is also in the base Cadillac CTS.

    Not really. Cadillac's is non-turbo. The turbo was in European top trip of Opel Vectra.

    2012 BMW 328i wagon, manual and sports package. No. sold in the US: 1. Probably.

  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    Forgot to add that the CTS version has no turbocharger.
  • I have 3K miles on my new 93 SC 2.0T, with all the options except NAV. I have to say, I love it and pretty much agree with the Edmunds review. Let's hope SAAB can get back some independance from GM and continue a positive momentum with their Car lineup. The 95 needs an overhaul!
  • I love the 9-3 sport-combi. I am a 6'6" tall, broad-shouldered guy who can't fit into many cars. Spent 20 years driving Jeeps, only to be forced out because of redesigns with lack of headroom and legroom. I spent today test sitting in about 40 cars, including VWs, Audis, Hondas, Toyotas, etc. I need a wagon or SUV for my 2 100lb dogs and me. I can't fit in the 9-7 or the 9-5, but I do fit in the 9-3! Its a lot bigger for me than say the Toureg, which has no headroom. I like the control panel in the upper center of the dash and find that I don't have too many blind spots while driving--unlike the Trailblazer that I am giving up.
    I understand that customers here are complaining about the lower body style of the aero because drivers keep ripping off the panels when the crunch into snowbanks, etc. Keep this in mind, my dealer says its a big problem that Saab will have to fix in the next model.
  • Hey Jersey, don't know if you're still around... I'm in NY and heading to the dealer tomorrow morning. He thinks he can get my desired 2.0TSC with the options I want. Do you still love the car? How is the reliability for the first few months?

    THanks!
  • vvadymvvadym Posts: 2
    Hi! It looks like I almost your size. Did you try Subaru Outback wagon? What's your impression about the leg/shoulder room in Sub compared to 93?
  • cdnawacscdnawacs Posts: 2
    Hello all! I, too, am interested in hearing how owners of the new 9-3 Sportcombi Aero are making out. My wife and I are in the market for a new car, and have narrowed it down to:

    Mazda 6 Wagon GT-V6
    Saab 9-3 Sportcombi Aero
    BMW 325xi Touring
    Audi A4 Avant 2.0T

    We tried the "regular" 9-3 Sportcombi with the 2.0T, but after driving the Aero version, we simply can't look at its weaker version again. Wow, what acceleration!

    In any case, we are rather scared off by the poor rep that Saabs seem to have, as well as warnings about low resale values. Here in Canada, Saab is NOT offering free maintenance, which makes the BMW's warranty look that much better.

    My wife still raves about our testdrive of the Aero, but I'm the one who's concerned about what happens after the "new car" thrill wears off. I sure could use some feedback on this! :confuse:
  • pointatobpointatob Posts: 30
    Hi,

    i've been looking at the 93 sportcombi 2.0T and mazda6 wagon also. the bmw and audi are out of my proce range, so i can't comment on those. mazda6 wagon, while i really enjoyed test-driving it, gets pretty poor gas mileage (i think 20 / 27) with a marginally powerful v6. i thought the sportcombi had superior driving dynamics, and i only drove the 2.0T. i won't drive the aero because then i might want one:)
  • cdnawacscdnawacs Posts: 2
    i won't drive the aero because then i might want one:)

    Oh, trust me, you're 100% right! After test-driving the Aero, there's no way we could consider buying a 2.0T. The difference is simply night and day. That 2.8 turbo has a butt-load of torque all the way through the speed range. Be prepared to be pushed back into that supercomfy Saab leather seat... Seriously folks, even as BMW-with-sports-seats owner, I can honestly say that I have never sat in a more comfortable seat.

    I'm glad to read that I'm not the only person totally unimpressed with the Mazda 6's engine. It was fine on city streets, but it was totally gutless on the highway. Forget passing in 4th gear at 100 kmh (that's about 60 mph for my US friends), you've got to go down to 3rd in order to get any amount of "smash" going.

    What with all the bad poop we're hearing about the run-flat tires on all new BMW's, I think we're about to become a Saab family. Damn the bad press, I think we may just buy the extended warranty and get us the 9-3 Sportcombi Aero.
  • wilkichwilkich Posts: 52
    I would put all of those except the Mazda in the same category. Actually, I rented a 4 cyl. Mazda 6 five door one weekend and I actually liked it over the 6 cyl. The 6 cyl I test drove one weekend felt blah. I think the wagons only come with the V-6 though.

    Personally, I would take the Mazda off the list and replace it with the Subaru Outback GT. Nice package, AWD, fast as hell, great reliability but a little overpriced and the turbo lag is a little eeiry. Also, I know you have the A4 on your list but the A3 with DSG is about the most fun I've had in a car in awhile.

    I drove a 9-3 SC yesterday and I came away impressed. I recall driving the restyled 9-3 when it first came out. I was underwhelmed by the whole package then. Now that the higher output turbo is standard, it feels like a different car. So I get back to my computer, check Edmunds and it spits back $30k for a base model with everything but NAV. That feels like a lot of $$$ especially considering the poor resale value of Saabs generally.

    All that said and assuming you are prepared to spend $35k, my first choice would be the 325. It's relatively expensive but the free maintenance, long warranty, high resale and pure driving satisfaction of the BMW would make it up to me. Yea, the other cars are "faster" but the pure driver confidence bimmers provide is unique. The Audi is close second but I would have a hard time spending $35k when I could have spent 5 grand less on the more fun A3.
  • Part of the reliability issue is when in the lifetime of the model do you buy the car?

    When the 9-3 debuted in 1999, it had some problems. But by the time I bought a late '01 (May '01), most of the problems had been fixed. The only one that bit me was an ignition system failure, which happened under warrantee.

    Same for my '95 Jetta GLX. The VR6 was solid by then and I never had some of the problems the "early adopters" did.

    Unless there is an issue with strapping a turbo on the V6, the SC Aero I'm considering now should have the benefit of a couple of years for Saab to fix any problems they've been seeing since this generation of 9-3s were introduced.
  • jedirockerjedirocker Posts: 1
    This is a tough decision for us as well. We are unloading our extremely reliable MDX, and just test drove the Saab SportCombi 2.0T. Compared to our other potential buys, this was the most fun to drive. We were deadset on it until I logged onto consumerreports.org and saw the reliability for the 9-3 as having the worst reliability rating possible. We had just ruled out the VW Passat 2.0T Wagon (and Audi A4) for the same reason: poor reliability.

    We're stumped. Wish I could get an honest assessment from the service dept at our local Saab dealership.
  • pointatobpointatob Posts: 30
    i just recently read the april / may? consumer reports comparison of entry level luxury sport sedans (saab 9-3, bmw 3 series, a4, g35, etc) and i saw that they hammered on the 9-3 as well. in my opinion, you have to take consumer reports' predictions as just that; their predictions.

    i've also been considering the 2.0t sportcombi and think it's an amazing drive as well. since it's a low volume vehicle, the lack of true reliability data does make me nervous but i wouldn't rule out your favorites (a4, vw passat wagon, or 9-3 sportcombi) just because of what CR says.

    one thing that annoyed me about that CR sport sedan review is that they loaded up a 2.0t with seemingly everything so that it would list at around $31-32 ish to make it look close to the bimmer's $36 ish. i mean, the saab sedan is really a NEAR entry that you can pick up for $26 ish or even $28 with sunroof / premium package. it's also the only fwd sedan they compared. maybe this group of sedans most closely represents the 9-3's competition but CR should have still at least highlighted that the car is offered at a sub-price point to many of the others they compared...

    just my cent.
  • pointatobpointatob Posts: 30
    on CR review: as to loading up the 2.0t, i might be wrong about that. maybe they used an aero trim instead. i don't remember as i read a couple weeks ago at a friend's. in any case my point is that the 9-3 can be purchased at a price point much lower than the others in the comparison. CR should have been more clear about this, i think.
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