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  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,687
    No, I don't ever start cars in 3rd gear. Why would I want to do that?

    I think you are confusing a complete 60k service with a timing belt replacement. A timing belt replacement is only one thing done in a 60k service, which is the biggest servicing the Accent and many other cars have. $600 for the complete 60k service, maybe. But not just the timing belt.

    FWIW, I paid quite a bit less than $200 for the 15k Elantra service. But I was very clear to only do the manufacturer's recommended services, not the extra stuff the dealer wanted to do. I think it was about $150. Sorry the dealers in your area charge so much. Maybe you should find a different shop.

    C/D did praise the smooth ride of the Accent GLS--"creamy" they called it. They haven't tested the SE yet, with its sport-tuned suspension. From other reviews I've read of it, it appears Hyundai was able to tighten up the handling without making the ride too harsh.

    The IIHS hasn't crash-tested the Accent 3-door yet, so we don't know what those crash tests are. On handling, the SE seems to handle quite well based on what I've read, but I'll have to see for myself. And I liked the shifter of the Accent much better than I thought I would. It avoids the notchiness of the Fit's shifter, although the throws are longer. I don't think it's as bad as C/D made it out to be.

    As for the decline in Accent sales, I think that's due to a couple of things. First, last year there was a 3-door available all year. This year, the 3-door just now is beginning to show up at dealers. That alone could account for a 20% decline in sales. But the other thing is that it took Hyundai awhile to put rebates on the '06 Accent GLS. At $15.4k for an automatic sedan with power package, it was bumping up squarely against Hyundai's own Elantra and many other cars. The rebate was needed to make pricing more realistic. As for the Elantra, it's a six-year-old design that is outclassed by some newer compacts, and the rebates on it have been lower this year than in past years. With dealers selling nicely-equipped Sonatas for $14-16k, it's a hard sell unless you want a hatchback.
  • "No, I don't ever start cars in 3rd gear. Why would I want to do that?"

    I guess you haven't owned manual equipped cars in the snow belt.

    I said 60K service. The timing belt change accounts for the majority of cost/labor of that service.

    "C/D did praise the smooth ride of the Accent GLS--"creamy" they called it."

    They had to find something nice to say for a car that placed only 5th out of 7 cars (the other 2 being the Suzuki Reno (no comment) and ugly Caliber).

    "They haven't tested the SE yet, with its sport-tuned suspension."

    "sport-tuned" and Hyundai typically don't mix. Have you test driven an Elantra GT (with its supposed "sport-tuned" suspension) and compared it with an Elantra GLS? It's exactly the same...some say worse. Read more at www.elantraxd.com.

    "The IIHS hasn't crash-tested the Accent 3-door yet, so we don't know what those crash tests are."
    They havent tested the 4 door either. Though NHTSA did and gave it a lovely 3 stars rear side impact. I wouldn't want anyone's kids, let alone my kids in that back seat. Combine that with the unavilability of ABS in the GS level and that's just unsafe.

    "First, last year there was a 3-door available all year. This year, the 3-door just now is beginning to show up at dealers. That alone could account for a 20% decline in sales."

    I doubt the 3-door made up a significant amount of total Accent sales in prior years. Care to back that up with some figures? Certainly not enough to justify a 20% decline in sales. That's huge. The Accent model has been struggling for years. Increasing the price at a time of vastly increased competition from more "premium" brands isn't helping things.

    It's rather simple:

    1. Increased price
    2. poor customer perception of "Accent" brand
    3. Little to no advertising
    4. Increased competition from more "premium" brands
    5. Reduced rebates
    6. Historically awful resale value
    7. Underwhelming test drive perceptions (at least those who I've talked to)
    8. Less than spectacular crash test results
  • shado4shado4 Posts: 287
    You bet it is. For this thing to sell, it needs a $2K rebate. Anything less, and it won't move off dealer lots period.

    That's funny. With only a $1K rebate offered on the 2006 model, Hyundai managed to sell 43% more Accents last month compared to June 2005 (5,848 to 4,086). Yes, overall year to year sales of the Accent are down, but I agree with Backy that the addition of the 3-door model to the lineup will help.

    Hyundai has nothing to worry about. The new Santa Fe is now arriving at dealer lots and the new Elantra will be coming soon. Hyundai is in a better position to see sales go even higher. Volkswagen, who can't even sell half as many vehicles as Hyundai in the U.S. during the first six months of 2006, is now trying to sell a Rabbit that can cost well over $20,000! $20K+ for a Rabbit? That's a mighty bitter carrot, er, pill to swallow. :blush:
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,687
    I've owned many stick-shift cars in the snow belt. Just never had to start them in 3rd gear. 2nd once or twice.

    C/D said several nice things about the Accent they tested. They even recommended to their readers that they should "take it for a whirl."

    I have not only driven the Elantra GLS and the GT, I've owned both of them at the same time for over 2 years, so I think I am qualified to say that the suspension and steering on those two cars is distinctly different, with a much different feel. (Keep in mind though that the GLS 5-door has exactly the same suspension and handling as the GT; the GLS sedan is different.) Thus I am looking foward to seeing what Hyundai did with the Accent SE.

    Note that the Fit got a "lowly" 3-star rating by the NHTSA in the rear on the side crash test also. But you were talking up the Fit before as if it were superior to the Accent. Does that mean you prefer the Fit over the Accent, but only if you don't put kids in the back seat?

    If you would like to research the 3-door sales of the Accent before 2006, be my guest. I see quite a few of them running around. How do you know it's not enough to justify a 20% decline in sales, until you know how many Accents before 2006 MY were 3-doors? Care to back up your assertion that "The Accent model has been struggling for years" with some facts?

    I've already agreed the list price on the Accent is too high; HMA agrees also since they did put a $1000 rebate on the '06 models awhile ago. I expect to see a rebate on the '07s once the '06s are gone. As for advertising, HMA is obviously using their marketing bucks on their pricier (and more profitable) cars. Keep in mind they have had to launch seven new models in less than two years, so that's a lot of advertising to do. It makes sense to put the dollars where the most profit is, e.g. Azera, Sonata, Entourage, and soon the Santa Fe.

    Would you care to name another car in the Accent's class that received "spectacular" crash test ratings, i.e. 4 x 5-stars on the NHTSA crash tests? Or is the Accent being held to a higher standard than all other cars in its class?

    As for "underwhelming test drive perceptions," IMO, the Accent is one of the most pleasant cars to drive in its class. It doesn't have the sharpest handling, "magic" rear seats, 150 hp, or room for Shaq to sit in back, but in terms of a smooth, comfortable, economical commuter and around-town car, I think it does a fine job. For the right price, I could see one in my garage someday.
  • prosource1prosource1 Posts: 234
    I think it is quite unfair to judge Hyundai's previous attempts with the same measure as their recent offerings. Hyundai is investing BILLION$ in R&D each year and their new vehicles are showing their big spending. I looked at a Santa Fe again today and that is going to be a hot vehicle just like the Sonata and Azera. Say or think what you want but Hyundai is not the company it was and every new vehicle they are putting out is causing a stir in the market.
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    Can I ask if you have had a chance to test drive the new Accents? The only reason I ask is because your post is full of incorrect facts and perceptions. FWIW, every review I have read on the Accent praises the new model, for the most part; yet when I read your posts, the Accent (or the entire Hyundai line for that matter) is nothing but junk products. The uniqueness (in its class) of the Accent SE is that it comes with 16" wheels, sport-tuned, stiffer suspension (70% more, which puts it around Tibby level), plus more. Of course, I am sure you will put a different spin on the above facts.
  • "Yes, overall year to year sales of the Accent are down, but I agree with Backy that the addition of the 3-door model to the lineup will help."

    Accent YTD sales are down 20% for the year. That's no small number. In comparison, Jetta sales are UP 28.3% YTD.

    "$20K+ for a Rabbit? That's a mighty bitter carrot, er, pill to swallow."

    When fully loaded to the gills, yes a Rabbit can reach 20K. Though it starts at under $15K very nicely equipped. An Azera can reach over $30K??!! 30K for a Hyundai??!! See my point?
  • "Note that the Fit got a "lowly" 3-star rating by the NHTSA in the rear on the side crash test also. But you were talking up the Fit before as if it were superior to the Accent. Does that mean you prefer the Fit over the Accent, but only if you don't put kids in the back seat"

    The FIT is a great car, but with it's rear 3 star side impact rating, no way my kids are going back there. Like i've said countless times, kids are not going in the back seat unless the car received a very good rear side-impact (IIHS "silver" or "gold"). Though the FIT does have STANDARD ABS which helps. The Accent 3-door can't say that.

    "Care to back up your assertion that "The Accent model has been struggling for years" with some facts? "

    Sure. Look at www.hyundainews.com under "sales releases" for the past 3 years. Notice a trend with the Accent? Yeah, it has a continual downward curve of sales numbers. Plot it out in Excel if you wish :)

    "Would you care to name another car in the Accent's class that received "spectacular" crash test ratings, i.e. 4 x 5-stars on the NHTSA crash tests? Or is the Accent being held to a higher standard than all other cars in its class?"

    I'll pay a few bucks more a month and get a much safer car, you know, one that received a "silver" or "gold" IIHS award. I'm sure a few come to mind...

    "For the right price, I could see one in my garage someday."

    Right, that's why you've already purchased an Accent, right? Wait...

    You're waiting for Hyundai to price it right, you know, like $3-4K below its competitors? Give it time my friend, Hyundai will see the light of day soon enough.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,687
    Let's be factual here: the lowest list price for a Rabbit is $15.6K including destination (which is non-negotiable). A 5-door Rabbit with only two options, a moonroof and the lowest priced factory alloys (16")--in other words, hardly loaded to the gills--comes to $20,095. The Azera is a 263 hp near-luxury car that is not at all comparable to a Rabbit.

    A VW can reach over $40k. $40k for a vee-dub?!? ;)
  • "The only reason I ask is because your post is full of incorrect facts and perceptions."

    Care to elaborate? Just what exactly have I said that that is "incorrect?"

    "FWIW, every review I have read on the Accent praises the new model, for the most part; yet when I read your posts, the Accent (or the entire Hyundai line for that matter) is nothing but junk products."

    I can name numerous reviews that paint the Accent as a sub-par car, but what does it matter. So, because my own opinion conflicts with what YOU read somewhere, i'm automatically incorrect. Right...

    "The uniqueness (in its class) of the Accent SE is that it comes with 16" wheels, sport-tuned, stiffer suspension (70% more, which puts it around Tibby level), plus more."

    Not sure how slapping some cheap alloys on a car, claiming a stiff suspension (70% stiffer you say?) makes the car unique. Ah, must have forgoten the "plus more."
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,687
    Correction: the Accent SE does have standard ABS.

    So to be clear: you think the Fit is a good car, but you wouldn't buy one for yourself because your kids can't ride in the back seat. Is that correct?

    The Accent (2006 GLS) is already available for $3000+ less than competitors. The '07s will be there soon enough.

    As I've noted in the "Which Hatchbacks?" discussion, I think the Rabbit and Fit are superior cars overall to the Accent when you consider all the criteria. But I still really like some aspects of the Accent, so if the price is right I would consider it.
  • w9cww9cw Posts: 888
    I guess germancarfan1 must be young . . . the same thing could be said of a VW. $30K to $40K, or higher, for a VW - double yikes! I remember when they were $1,500!

    Yes, $30K for a Hyundai - what's wrong with that. Hyundai is a quality car, everyone simply needs to get used to it.
  • shado4shado4 Posts: 287
    A VW can reach over $40k. $40k for a vee-dub?!?

    Not sure if you can still buy them, but a 12 cylinder VW Phaeton could cost you well over $100,000 (including the $3,000 gas guzzler tax)!

    A $100K VW is truly insane. No wonder Phaeton sales in the U.S. were abysmal.

    As far as $30K Hyundai's, buyers don't seem to be having a problem with that, as Azera sales for June are 68% higher than its predecessor, the XG350.

    Back to the Accent, the reason why I like it is the availability of options that you can't get on its competition, sometimes at any price. An example is the power moonroof on the Accent SE which is not available at all on the Fit and only available on the more expensive 4-door Rabbit. Factory installed fog lights are standard on the SE and the Fit Sport, but are not available on any Rabbit.
  • jkrafcik1jkrafcik1 Posts: 1
    FYI from someone with some experience about Hyundai Accent sales mix -- in the 2005 model year the 3-door accounted for 50% of all Accent sales. The lack of a 3-door has certainly impacted Accent sales -- a situation now resolved with the arrival of the 2007 model year lineup. (Accent sales were up 43% in June.)
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,687
    Thanks for the insight. The way buyers are snapping up Yaris hatchbacks w/o ABS (my local dealer says it's mostly parents buying for high school or college kids), I think the Accent GS could be quite popular. If someone could live w/o AC (as I did until I moved to Houston many years ago), they could have a nice little car for under $11k MSRP.

    Isn't there a cold air induction kit for the Accent SE (maybe all trims)? Do you know how much it costs and what boost in power it provides?
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    I never claimed 70% increase in stiffness, Hyundai did; that comes right out of their press release, by the way. And, SE's unique because items mentioned other subcompacts do not offer.
  • acronisacronis Posts: 29
    I've read through this thread and there are some who decry the pricing of the Accent because they seem to believe it isn't priced competitively enough? A little reality check here is required. Has anyone tried to shop the price of a Fit? even the base price?

    Right. It's overall price to content makes the Accent seem higher with when optioned but wait....what are those ridiculous dealer adjusted mark-ups which add even more to their rip-off pricing that have been so conveniently ignored? Some dealers are getting up to $2,000! over MSRP on the Mulrooney. So where is the savings over the Accent?

    Yeah what the Accent really needs are rebates. Yeah. Sure.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,687
    The Fit can be had at MSRP, although some dealers are charging more. If you read the Fit Prices Paid discussion, you'll see many buyers having a Fit (sorry) for MSRP or even a little under. Compare a base Fit for $14,400 with a 2007 Accent GLS with comparable equipment (power package and ABS, and 14" steel wheels) for $14,095. Not much difference, and the Fit has much more versatility, better fuel economy, and historically higher resale value. The Accent SE hatchback, with ABS, is actually a little more than the base Fit, but at least it comes with features like 16" alloys and a few other trim items the base Fit does not have.

    So yes, I think the 2007 Accent does need rebates to compete in this market. I don't think most buyers are willing to pay the same money for a Hyundai as for a comparably-equipped Honda. Honda has the long-term track record for strong resale value, quality, and dependability. Hyundai doesn't, yet.
  • azera25azera25 Posts: 45
    I don't understand why he comes here to discuss the Accent when his facts are inaccurate, irrelavent and biased.

    In his mind Volkswagon, the most overpriced POS ever offered in the American market, can do no wrong. Yeah right buddy, that's why their sales have gone down the [non-permissible content removed] in the last 10 years.

    Hyundai, on the other hand, is winning recognition right and left and is making great progress because they make great vehicles.

    I'm sorry, I don't mind discussing the pros and cons of owning a Hyundai, but I don't appreciate when someone comes here just to take cheap shots at the brand rather than look at their cars for what they are. Please come in here for discussion not with the purpose of biased persuasion. Thanks
  • right on, azera5! well spoken! volkswagen's are utter garbage. overpriced, holy terror electricals, and jettas made in mexico. hyundai is the 5th largest auto manufacturer and will overtake nissan very soon. i love my hyundai!
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    I wouldn't call VW utter garbage (same goes for Hyundai) but they do command premium pricing vs. its competitors, for the most part. Reliablity and quality are still question marks but credits are due, since VW is finally enjoying growth (US), in terms of sales, after a few years of steady fall.

    In terms of ranking, Hyundai is 6th overall in the world. And, in the United States, they are 7th behind GM, Ford, Toyota, DCX (Chrysler), Honda, and Nissan (or 4th among import nameplates). As you stated, in the US and the world, they are quickly moving up (behind Nissan in the US, and DCX as far as the world is concerned) - amazing feat considering where they started.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,687
    Yes, and the new Rabbit is a very nice piece, and attractively priced in 3-door form. Reliability is still a question-mark though. It is a larger, more refined, and more powerful car than the Accent SE. That is one reason I think Hyundai won't be too successful trying to sell the SE at/near list. Other reasons are called the Fit, Yaris, and Versa.
  • acronisacronis Posts: 29
    It's strange that I haven't seen any television advertising for the Accent here in S. Fla. Yet I see a lot of tv ads for the Fit. Part of the reason why I believe Accent sales are not as strong as Fit is because not very many people know that it's been redesigned or that they even offer a 3 door along with their Sedan.

    Again I understand that Honda has the 'name' and has a good rep as a car company and can demand a lot more for their cars but Hyundai is no bottom feeder and they need to start marketing the Accent. Offering 'bottom' dollar rebates may move some units but ultimately I think a marketing strategy along with their price and existing value options more than 'rebates' are what's needed to move more Accents.

    The so-called pricing 'advantage' Fit allegedly has over the Accent is marginal. Yes, I have read the threads but Hyundai can build all the best cars in the US and if they can't successfully convey that to a wide range of consumers it won't matter.
  • rangnerrangner Posts: 336
    Hello,

    Does anyone know what the maintenance schedule is for the 06-07 accent? I gather that the timing belt needs to be changed at 60k. I tried to find out at the hyundai website but it seems that the info is restricted to hyundai owners.

    FWIW I'll be looking into an 07 SE M/T when rebates kick in.

    Eric
  • Well, I got to see an SE in person and I was a bit under whelmed honestly. I love the look of the GS and was hoping that the fog lights, 16 inch alloys and tinted glass of the SE would look even better but I found that it really had no impression on me. The fog lights don't give the more upscale feeling that they give on other cars, the 16 inch alloys still look small to me and if the glass is tinted, I couldn't tell. Still a great looking car, no doubt, just not as striking a difference as I was hoping for.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,687
    Was this SE with or w/o the ground effects package? Maybe those would have made a difference to you.
  • It was without one. Is there a ground effects kit for the US? I've heard Canada is getting a version with side skirts, flared fenders, etc. ala the SR but I've not seen a mention of anything similar for the US. I would love it if we were getting one with the look of an SR but alas, it doesn't seem to be in the cards.
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    Something like this:

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  • Does anyone know what the treadlife expectancy is for the 2007 Accent SE's tires? I am assuming they won't last very long since they are high performance tires, and will cost a small fortune to replace.
  • cambocambo Posts: 10
    Found this review of the Hatch…

    http://www.canadiandriver.com/testdrives/07accent_gs_sport.htm">link title

    I had wanted to see how much room was in the back with the seats lowered. Looks like plenty.
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