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  • Just in case anyone is interested, there are two reviews (so far) in January car magazines. Car and Driver did a have page "preview" and Motor Trend included it in their Car Of The Year testing. Both mags gave the car very high marks.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,695
    Here is some data on the Accent hybrid due late next year in the U.S. Note that the fuel economy is up 44%, but they didn't say compared to what. If it's vs. the 110-hp engine, that would mean EPA numbers of around 42 city, 52 highway. I wonder what the price uplift will be and also whether it's a "full hybrid" (i.e., can run for short distances on the electric motor alone). Also where the battery is--if it's in the most logical place, the trunk, it means a few cubes off the trunk and no folding rear seat, like the Civic Hybrid.

    http://wardsauto.com/ar/auto_hyundai_debuts_accent/index.htm
  • bamacarbamacar Posts: 749
    Since it is a hybrid I would assume more like 47 city, 47 highway if a mild hybrid. If a full hybrid, probably more like 44 highway and 50 city would be in line. It would be nice if they could keep the price difference under 2-3k. If it is more than that, the percentage increase would scare off a lot of people.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,695
    Actually if a full hybrid then the city number could be higher than the highway number--hard to tell until we have more details.
  • bumpybumpy Posts: 4,435
    There are pictures floating around showing some details on the hybrid. One of them is some Korean sticker showing 18.9 km/l, which works out to 44.46 mpg. Another picture shows the electronic dash with a Charge/Discharge gauge, which leads me to suspect something like a Honda IMA system rather than the more complex Prius setup. To speculate a bit, I think we're getting an electric-assist hybrid that delivers the mileage of the 1.3L Accent (sold in Europe, Korea, etc.) with the performance to meet or slightly exceed the 1.6L Accent.
  • delta4delta4 Posts: 138
    I just found some additional information on the upcoming hybrid. The writer of the article reckons that Hyundai would have a definite price and market advantage due to how expensive the current Prius is and the fact that it's "overkill" for a lot of people who are hungry for a well built, yet affordable hybrid.

    Based on this assessment and the enormous strides in quality that Hyundai has made I believe it is only a matter of time before we see even more traction for this brand and a complete 'brand realignment'(based on market share) where Hyundai will be a definite contender for the number '3' spot in the import automotive rung displacing either Honda or Nissan within the next two years.

    http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/12/hyundai_unveils.php
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,695
    Good story, but I think they are off on the price they quoted. There is no way the Accent 4-door sedan can start at "just over $10k." Consider that a Rio LX, which has A/C but no ABS, goes for about $13k. Take about $800 off that (for no A/C), add about $400 (for ABS) and we are at about $12,600. That is for a stripped model--no A/C, no power package, no automatic. So if a hybrid Accent could come in under $15k that would be quite an achievement.
  • delta4delta4 Posts: 138
    Pricing is probably pure specualtion from the standpoint of counting or discounting options such as ABS or A/C? If hybrid Accent can start at a base of 15k with fully optioned model coming under $18k? that would still be a bargain compared to Civic and Prius.

    Add the inclusion of their warranty and this would give Hyundai an edge.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,695
    I would not buy an Accent hybrid for $18k. Not quite sure what the difference between a base model and fully-optioned model would be besides the PS package, which I estimate will go for around $1500. Not much else you can do for that car, except add a moonroof--and that's unlikely given it means extra weight. I suppose they could offer leather too. But for $18k, I'd rather get a much nicer car like a Civic EX 5-speed, which would return a bit less mpg but offer more refinement and probably safety, without worrying about unproven hybrid technology from Hyundai. For $15k, I think the Accent hybrid is a great value. I'd be surprised if we see it there, however, since a nicely-equipped regular Accent with the PS package (power, A/C, alloys, remote locks) and automatic will be around $15k. It depends on how Hyundai positions the Accent hybrid. Other companies have put the hybrid model at the top of their trim lines, but Hyundai could do something different and offer a hybrid for the masses.
  • I think the jury is still out on the hybrids. Just saw a report tonight on the national news (US - ABC I think) that states hybrids aren't living up to their promises. Check out consumer reports - they did full testing of all the hybrids and they found that the Hybrids only had about half the MPG as stated on the sticker. And seriously, everyone knows the EPA tests aren't even close to mirroring real-world driving (A/C, actual stop and go traffic, cold weather). So, I'll stick with the standard gas engine and save a few bucks up front, enjoy my truck space, and not worry about the mechanical problems that always appear with new engines.
  • delta4delta4 Posts: 138
    Backy point well taken. Since we're only speculating and the hybrid is still several months away let's take a wait and see until there's more information available. The pricing of the new accent with a/c & a/t is approx a shade over $14k I think this is sans shipping. It is chock full of std equipment as well as offering saftey features not found in vehicles in this class.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,695
    Check out consumer reports - they did full testing of all the hybrids and they found that the Hybrids only had about half the MPG as stated on the sticker.

    That is not accurate. For example, when they tested the Prius they got 44 mpg overall, and the EPA combined average for the Prius is 55 mpg--not 88 mpg.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,695
    Depending what the "shade" is, and with $500-600 shipping, that is right around $15k. It has to be around there, because you know that Kia will not put up with the Accent being priced lower than the similar Rio LX--especially since the Accent has more feature content than the Rio.
  • marikamarika Posts: 39
    A little off topic, but someone posted a picture of the Getz on another forum and it is a very handsome little car--much more appealing than the upcoming Accent hatchback. Does anyone know if there are any plans to bring it here? The engine is a little smaller (1.5L instead of 1.6 for the Accent) and the body also looks to be smaller which means much better mpgs than the dismal 32 city from EPA for the Accent with manual transmission.

    I would have posted this on the Getz forum but it's read-only.
  • bumpybumpy Posts: 4,435
    I doubt we'll see the Getz in North America. It's only marginally smaller than the Accent, and would be a pointless overlap of the Accent hatchback due here next summer.

    If you want a higher-mileage Accent, wait to see what numbers the hybrid does or cross your fingers and hope for a diesel option in 2007.
  • snakeysnakey Posts: 12
    FOUNTAIN VALLEY, Calif., Dec. 12 /PRNewswire/ -- Hyundai Motor America
    announced pricing today for the all-new Accent. The third generation of
    Hyundai's most affordable nameplate has more style, sophistication and content
    than ever before.

    2006 Hyundai Accent Pricing:

    * GLS 4-Door with 5-speed manual -- $12,995 (freight included)*

    * GLS 4-Door with 4-speed automatic -- $13,845 (freight included)*

    * Premium Sport Package -- $1,500

    * Air Conditioning -- $800

    ACCENT GLS
    To simplify the buying process, the 2006 Accent comes in a single GLS trim
    level with either a five-speed manual or a four-speed automatic transmission
    with overdrive. GLS trim includes a wide range of features, including several
    items that are either optional or unavailable on competitive vehicles in the
    segment, including a powerful 1.6-liter CVVT engine, 172-watt six-speaker
    AM/FM/CD audio system with equalizer, power steering, tilt steering wheel,
    driver and passenger illuminated vanity mirrors, and four-wheel disc brakes
    with ABS including EBD. There are a total of six airbags, including dual
    front airbags, front seat-mounted side-impact airbags, and roof mounted
    side-curtain airbags. Carpeted floor mats are optional, as is air
    conditioning, which is offered as a stand-alone option, or included in the
    optional Premium-Sport Package. The Premium-Sport Package includes air
    conditioning, power windows with illuminated switches, driver's window
    auto-down feature, power door locks, remote keyless entry with alarm and panic
    alert, heated power-adjustable exterior mirrors and 15-inch alloy wheels with
    195/55VR15 tires.

    WARRANTY
    The all-new 2006 Hyundai Accent is protected by the Hyundai Advantage,
    America's Best Warranty(TM). Coverage includes five-year/60,000-mile
    bumper-to-bumper protection, 10-year/100,000-mile limited powertrain warranty,
    five-year/unlimited mileage roadside assistance and seven-year/unlimited
    mileage anti-perforation coverage. In addition, Accent buyers receive 24-hour
    roadside assistance coverage at no extra charge for five years (no mileage
    limit) that includes emergency towing, lockout service and limited coverage
    for trip-interruption expenses. There is no deductible on any of these
    coverages.

    Hyundai Motor America, headquartered in Fountain Valley, Calif., is a
    subsidiary of Hyundai Motor Company of Korea. Hyundai cars and sport utility
    vehicles are distributed in the U.S. by Hyundai Motor America and are sold and
    serviced by more than 670 dealers throughout the nation.

    * All prices include freight of $540.

    TAKEN FROM:
    http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/12-12-200- 5/0004231746&EDATE=
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,695
    Thanks a lot for the info! My guess on the price of the PS package was correct, but I guessed a little low on the price of the car, based on the prices in Canada. However, the prices are not really surprising as they are just a tad above the prices for a comparably-equipped Rio, which fits with Hyundai's positioning vs. Kia and reflects the extra features in the Accent.

    The bad news is that the Accent equipped the way I'd want it, with automatic, PS, and mats, will be about $15,400 MSRP. Since an Elantra GLS with ABS, moonroof, and mats is only $16,275, and with the Elantra likely to have larger rebates in its last year before the new design, the Elantra looks like a better deal for me. A lot will depend on how the Accent does in the IIHS crash tests. The pricing also provides room for the likes of Honda, Nissan, and Toyota to compete closely with Hyundai on price in this segment--and that IMO is not a game that Hyundai can win yet.
  • delta4delta4 Posts: 138
    It remains to be seen whether Honda, Nissan or Toyota can match Accent's offer feature-for-feature quantitatively. These brands have the marketing muscle to push their lower priced models but can't compete on Accent's standard equipment.

    If Hyundai's current pricing strategy follows suit they'll probable pad Accent with moderate incentives if needed. One thing is crystal, they have re-positioned this car to be competitive.

    Let the games begin! :)
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,695
    I think Honda has a very good shot at competing price-wise with the Accent, with their Fit. It will have comparable safety equipment to the Accent (standard side curtains and ABS) and a much more versatile interior. The Versa is supposed to start around $12k, like the Accent, but is said to be a roomier car and also has the 5-door configuration. As for the Yaris, the sedan looks like a big improvement over the ECHO, but pricing and equipment remains to be seen.

    Of course Hyundai can heap on the incentives, but why do that? Why not just put a compelling price on the car?
  • delta4delta4 Posts: 138
    Of course Hyundai can heap on the incentives, but why do that? Why not just put a compelling price on the car? backy

    The price is very competitive and in keeping with Hyundai's new strategy and re-positioning of the brand. Your point about the Honda FIT being good competition for the Accent rings true but I believe the Accent will be the market leader based on the level of equipment compared to what will be in the FIT especially if they plan on keeping close to that $12,000 base price.

    Also if sales demand do not approach projected levels expect Honda to prop up the FIT just as it has with the Civic who's sales were pumped up by their cut-rate loans.
  • The bad news is that the Accent equipped the way I'd want it, with automatic, PS, and mats, will be about $15,400 MSRP. Since an Elantra GLS with ABS, moonroof, and mats is only $16,275, and with the Elantra likely to have larger rebates in its last year before the new design, the Elantra looks like a better deal for me. A lot will depend on how the Accent does in the IIHS crash tests. The pricing also provides room for the likes of Honda, Nissan, and Toyota to compete closely with Hyundai on price in this segment--and that IMO is not a game that Hyundai can win yet.

    Actually backy, on CarsDirect, the '06 Elantra GLS with all that good stuff can be had for $14,440. That's a helluva deal.

    It's intersting how close the Accent is getting to the Elantra price and the Rio is getting so close to the Spectra price. Obviously, they're getting ready to move the Elantra and Spectra up a half-notch or so, but until they do their current iterations are GREAT values.

    I doubt that'll hurt Accent sales at all, though. It's still a lot of car for the money. I also don't see Hyundai getting sticker price for them. A 5-speed manual version with the PS package stickers for $14,495 and I'm sure it could be had in the high $13s. Sure beats an Aveo.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,695
    Yes, it's better than an Aveo but at least the Aveo offers a 5-door version--wish the Accent had that.

    A lot of the Accent's value proposition for me hinges on how well the car does in crash tests. That is really the only major weak area for me for the Elantra and a few other competitors. If the new Accent does well there, I would pay the price even if it costs a little more than a similarly-equipped Elantra. If it doesn't... it's a decision between an old design like the Elantra (but cheap) or a new design that is more crashworthy, hopefully the Fit and maybe the Versa and Yaris also. Or move upmarket to a Civic or Sonata (pending IIHS tests on the Sonata).
  • snakeysnakey Posts: 12
    Ok, so the Nissan Versa is first on my list, but if I want cruise control with it (a MUST if available) I would have to opt for the high end package (I would get the 5 Door) and if then I wanted an auto (must upgrade to auto to ease woes of city driving) then I would have no option except the CVT, which is great but drives the price up. Basically, if I wanted all the options the Accent has on the Versa I would end up creeping close to the 20k mark; note that I would get a lot MORE options on the Versa, such as smart card etc. but I don't necessarily want those added just to get ABS.

    The fit doesn't seem to have much info about it but current speculation puts the BHP at around 95-100 with a 1.5 L, and even though the Accent only has a few more ponies, they make a big difference when an engine is paltry on the ponies to begin with.

    The Yaris....don't even get me started. Outside styling (read: rear end) is bubley and awkward and the center console/instrument cluster/HVAC controls, well let's just say I like looking forward to see my speed and I don't know why Toyota didn't opt to spend the extra couple hundred dollars and make a left and right hand drive with left and right hand inst. clusters instead of making it a "uni-continental" car. Plus the price point for the brand, the less than fabulous warranty (compared to Hyundai) and the not so peppy engines found in lower displacement Toyotas (from my own experience, not from fact).

    So leaves me with few cars in my price range that are competetive with the 2006 Accent. I do wish that I could order cruise with the Accent (speculated to not be available) so that's a bummer. I am actually thinking that the Elantra may be the better buy in summer 06 because of the "get outta here, we have new toys a-comin'" sales to liquidate for the new generation, which I have heard may be powered by the new World Engine from GEMA, developed by Hyundai, DCX and Mitsubishi (heard from a friend of a friend of a friend who grooms the dog who lives with the flatmate of a girl I met on the subway).
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    "The fit doesn't seem to have much info about it but current speculation puts the BHP at around 95-100 with a 1.5 L, and even though the Accent only has a few more ponies, they make a big difference when an engine is paltry on the ponies to begin with. "

    Also, granted the test is dated, and new competitors exist (most notably, the Civic and 3), but for a "lower-displacement" Toyota, the Corolla was the quickest in a Ten vehicle C/D comparo of 2003 models in Nov 02. (That includes the current Elantra, and likely the Spectra givent the shared powertrain).

    It probably doesnt matter much to you, but in my experience Honda vehicles with similar power ratings to those vehicles from competing manufacturers have always felt stronger to me, through the seat of the pants. Honda typically does a great job with power and efficiency as well, something that can't be said of the Accent's 1.6L- its fuel efficiency is bested by the new Civic's 1.8L, for example, which puts out 30 more horses. (And the Civic's power ratings are SAE certified, not sure about the Accents).

    A loaded manual Accent at $14,495(MSRP) seems like a smart buy, I just think its much uglier (cartoonish in that ECHO type way) than its relative Rio.

    ~alpha
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,695
    It's beyond me how you can even think of comparing the smooth lines of the new Accent to the ECHO's. There isn't anything remotely similar. Well, ok, they both have four doors and wheels.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    The new Accent, due to its nose, tail, and general shape, looks to me as though 100 clowns should climb out of it, just as the ECHO did, and very much unlike how the Rio doesnt.

    ~alpha
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,695
    Yes, the Accent is quite roomy for its size, isn't it? ;)
  • snakeysnakey Posts: 12
    Alpha, the basic point of my post is that if you are looking for a car that can stay under 17K with all the amenities of the Accent then you are almost out of luck. Honda does produce good engines, I love my fiance's 87 civic, it feels like it scoots up a lot faster than my 98 sentra, but part of it is because of a stiffer suspension so there is less rear end squat on acceleration and nose dive on brake, and the fact that Honda is great with keeping their small cars light and you sit considerably lower to the ground in the civic.

    As far as Toyota I have been test driving Corollas every year since 2000 and while they may be rated for more HP or test to be quicker, they lumber along compared to the Civic. The handling is muddy and the braking is never as good.

    I like Honda and Toyota (with the exception of the ECHO and the Yaris) but you can't get the same comparable options from them for what you load up the Accent with, not to mention you don't get the 10/100k waranty that tags along with the Accent.

    Finally for styling, the only portion of the Accent that is ECHO-like remotely is the back end, which I am not too fond of, but being that I don't ever folow me while I drive I don't much mind. Also consider that I drive that 98 sentra with that disgusting rear as is. The Rio has better body lines but you can't get it without those retarded non-color keyed side moldings. Those remind me of non-color keyed bumpers you get with older econo-boxes, the kind that turn gray after 5 years in the sun.

    So once again, through economic restraint and personal opinion of stlye and want for creature comforts I am confortably arrived again at the Accent. It's not that I wouldn't like a new Civic but I can't afford 21K to get one with the options I would like, nor can I get the Versa how I would like with all my requested options under the 20K, nor the Dodge Caliber (build-a-caliber site is up at dodge.com). I CAN however get everything I want (sans cruise) for under 17K with the Accent.
  • gotten used to those side moldings on the new Rio. Kia has made them thick and slightly slanted so that they actually are part of the design down the side-sleek from a sharp ange in the front looking back, and I like them.

    Now, whether or not the sun will turn them another color (gray) in 5 years or not is a moot point with me-I trade in for another new Kia in 2-5 years anyway.

    It is still so nice to have the Hyundai/Kia 100,000 mile Long-Haul Warranty on the powertrain. A bumper-to-bumper Warrranty of 5 years and 60,000 miles remains the industry standard and so very cool to have on your side as a car owner, too.

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • It's interesting that you say that about Hondas feeling stronger to you that cars with similar power ratings. A reviewer in one of the major car mags noted that Honda horsepower is a lot like BMW horsepower- the numbers alone just don't tell the story. I tend to agree.
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