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Mercedes-Benz R-Class

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  • benzsterbenzster Posts: 152
    Loop: as in a jewelers loop. It is a magnifying glass. If a customer has a crack, I will inspect the crack for a rock chip or impact point.
  • nomorebenznomorebenz Posts: 109
    Has anyone had a problem with the power liftgate not closing fully. This is not to be confused with the height limiter.
    The problem is intermittent. I just want to know before I take it in for service.
  • templeton3templeton3 Posts: 69
    Here are some service bulletins for the rear power liftgate.

    Title: Body - Tailgate Cannot Be Opened
    http://www.alldata.com/tsb/Mercedes-Benz/1131350400000_1136361600000_T-72-20-53/- index.html

    Title: Body - Power Tailgate Closer Intermittently Inoperative
    http://www.alldata.com/tsb/Mercedes-Benz/1140768000000_1141977600000_T-72-20-43B- /index.html

    Title: Body - Power Liftgate Reverses When Closing
    http://www.alldata.com/tsb/Mercedes-Benz/1144047600000_1144738800000_T-72-20-58/- index.html

    Title: Body - 'Tailgate Open' Message on Instrument Cluster
    http://www.alldata.com/tsb/Mercedes-Benz/1144047600000_1144738800000_T-72-20-59/- index.html
  • nomorebenznomorebenz Posts: 109
    Thanks for the info. I guess it's not just me.
  • cyberbrocyberbro Posts: 8
    Do all of the new R350's start with 40 or more miles?

    I noticed when I got mine it had 60 miles on it from the dealer and I have spoke to a few people and they got theres with 40 and 50 mile on them.

    It this everyone's maybe they track test them first?
  • qkslvrqkslvr Posts: 34
    Mine had 25 miles, but they had to get it from a nearby dealership. I think most of them have less than 50 miles, unless someone test drives it. As long as it doesn't have a few hundred miles, I think you are OK.
  • benzsterbenzster Posts: 152
    If they are tested at the factory, there will be a sticker in the lower corner of the w/shield on the drivers side. It will state the miles. Most MB's will have 20 or so miles unless tested.
  • irishrogue1irishrogue1 Posts: 127
    merc 1 hits the nail on the head. there is no market for an executive hauler. this crossover is a stylish substitute for upper middle class soccer moms who want out of their boring middle class odyssey/sienna or their luxo-SUV that lacks useable space, handling and safety. why MB was afraid to concede that the R is probably best described as a luxury minivan makes one wonder. minivan is no longer a bad word (more on this later) even among families with $250k+ and higher annual incomes. Before the R, we pined for a $45-50k minivan - ACURA take the odyssey upscale? Lexus take the Sienna? Unless I am missing something, major metro markets in particular have alot of dual income (or substantial single income) professional families in their 30s/40s who are swallowing up $35k odysseys/sienna's without even blinking and/or $30-50k SUVs every 2 to 3 years. These folks are ripe for an R class that makes more sense than a typical minivan or a full size luxo SUV - and yes they are willing to pay a reasonable premium for it.

    Now, I have looked at and driven the MB on several occasions. and yes i will buy an R500 as soon as it makes "sense." First observation - not getting rear seat DVD in the R from day one was the biggest blunder I have seen from a major automaker in recent history. Drive down I95 on the east coast and one out of four vehicles has DVD for the kids -forget income demographics. If a 4 yr old chrysler town and country minivan can have it, dont tell me my $60k MB cant. Doors. Find me a family with a late model odyssey/siena that doesnt treat remote opening doors and tailgate as a given. MB compounds the problem with some of the biggest doors i have even seen. I agree that staying away from sliding was the right thing to do to avoid stlying miscues, but couldnt they figure a way to open and maybe even shut them remotely??? certainly they could open by remote....Next up: space/storage. they dropped the ball more than a bit by not coming up with as much space behind the 3rd row as an odyssey. the space is almost nonexistent. and folding the 3rd row really doesnt create alot of space since the whole "deck" is high with the seats folded. really crappy MB. biggest disappointment in my mind and one that cant be fixed. oh well, we'll add our thule to the top for long trips with the family...Finally, the whole perceived value issue. MB has some cool options. no doubt. but they are expensive. and so not everyone wants them. sure i love self leveling xenons, and dropped $1200 for them in my porsche but i dont know that i 'd spring for them in the R.... and besides if they truly marketed this as an executive hauler or what was that one marketing campaign i saw - oh yeah, something like showing a vineyard owner hauling around migrant labor by day and then heading out with their 4 rich friends for dinner in napa at night. who in god's name came up with that one! - then they should have loaded on the options and tacked on a higher price as people with $250k incomes would accept and expect. But they didnt....it must be because they secretly didnt want to scare away some "entry level" minivan type buyers looking at the 350....so now they please noone! they arent really luring the core minivan buyers b/c it lacks practicality. execs and vineyard owners dont want to own what amounts to a minivan. so who is left??? the people who are willing to give up all that is great about the odyssey/sienna for style, cache, performance, handling, safety so as to be outside the ever growing minivan set. I ll be honest, and you can call me a snob, but i dont like my wife driving the same minivan that typical middle class moms are driving. i want a better vehicle. and there are alot of people who feel the same way. it is the reason i have many friends in their 30s/40s who suffer the impractical nature of ALL luxo SUVs when it comes to small children and the way they drive so they can avoid driving a pedestrian minivan. brand it by lexus or acura and they would buy it....it is only a dirty word because it screams middle class....why is it that ford sold the crap out of the explorer and Jeep with cherokee and so everybody jumped on board and started marketing SUVs. seeing a growing market that kept getting more competitive the foreign automakers took them upscale and guess what? people kept buying them. sienna/odyssey sales are flat. they are dropping the ball by not reinventing themselves in the luxo segment. seriously what would it cost to rebadge/repower/makeover an ody for acura?? or a sienna for lexus? well they havent done it and MB is 90% and did it from scratch. now they just need to perfect it and market it to the right group. and just stop trying to define a new category.....crossover luxo-people mover is not a freakin' category!!
  • irishrogue1irishrogue1 Posts: 127
    ok, so i rant for several long paragraphs and i forget to circle back around and conclude that YES i will buy an R500 within 9-18mos. will it be as practical as our odyssey? no. but my kids will be old enough to open their own doors and will be walking 100% of the time and not carried. will it have enough space/storage to haul 2 adults, 2 toddlers and 2 golden retrievers to the shore or mountains every weekend? no, so we'll have to kill the lines and throw the thule on and live with wind noise. will we be happier with the styling, performance, handling? you bet. so yes we will compromise. and i will bash MB for making us compromise. if only automakers would be smart enough to ask ME what i want in a car.....certainly i know best. as a lawyer, i m nearly certain that i know everything....
  • templeton3templeton3 Posts: 69
    If I were buying a R class again, I would defintely get the R500 over the R350. The R350 is very underpowered. I have to admit that I'm a lead foot, but the R350 is not a fun car to drive. The other item that I feel is a must is the parktronics. Because the car is long and hard to see out of the back, I think its worth every penny.

    If Mercedes would advertise on TV as much as they advertise for the new GL, maybe they might sell more.
  • chirpchirp Posts: 194
    I'm sure the GL is moving off the lots. It appears to be selling at my neighborhood dealer mainly due to it's being a purpose-built vehicle with a strong and targeted market. I don't think there is anyone left in the R-class marketing group to advertise the vehicle and from the post above it appears that the ads they are producing are just plain silly.
  • mbowersmbowers Posts: 3
    Someone called up our dealer saying they believe the R class saved his family from a terrible accident. They were at an intersection driving 50 mph, their light was green. They were heading under the light and saw a tractor trailer barreling through the red light. The R class stopped on a dime. Seatbelts held everyone in. Other than needing to get off the road to decompress, they were all fine.

    Sold us. :)
  • mbowersmbowers Posts: 3
    Can you go to IKEA with 5 kids and bring back 2 file cabinets and a desk home? A freind of mine just did that yesterday with a Sienna.
    _____________________________________

    No, I can't do that, but I'll go to Ethan allen and have them deliver. ;)
  • irishrogue1irishrogue1 Posts: 127
    Exactly. although we are probably more likely to find ourselves at pottery barn or crate and barrel......ethan almost offends with their prices....
  • benzsterbenzster Posts: 152
    R320 CDI: This vehicle produces 221 horsepower, but more importantly 376 lb-ft. of torque
    giving it fuel economy better than a gasoline V6 but with V8 torque for greater performance.

    I really am a diesel geek. The torque and mileage may cause a swap to the CDI from the 350 this fall.

    note:

    HYBRIDS
    DaimlerChrysler has invested billions of dollars in alternative powerplant research over the past
    decades, on virtually every type of alternative to conventional gasoline engines, including
    hybrids. DaimlerChrysler believes that the fuel cell is the most promising over the long term but,
    since this technology is still a ways off; the company is focusing on diesel as part of its overall
    strategy to increase fuel economy and address environmental concerns. But, rather than simply
    wait for these vehicles to be viable, we have taken the interim step which will allow us to take
    advantage of the diesel’s ability to produce 30 percent lower carbon dioxide emissions and
    roughly 30 percent better fuel economy than gasoline engines. (See BLUETEC above)
    In the 4th quarter of 2006, MBUSA will expand its diesel offering to include the E320
    BLUETEC, the ML320 CDI and the R320 CDI.
  • chirpchirp Posts: 194
    Nice story.
    It takes at least 175 feet to stop this thing going at 50 mph(50 feet to think about stopping and at least 125 feet to actually stop). Even if this intersection was a 4 lane divided highway the R would finally come to a stop 80 past the intersection and would have driven right through the semi on the way there.
  • benzsterbenzster Posts: 152
    I'm with you, but there is no need for math. If they were under the light and the tractor was approaching....gun it!

    Of course if it were a divided intersection, well....wait a minute. Is this an African or European R Class? R Class' are not migratory. So if this were a tropical intersection........ :P
  • chirpchirp Posts: 194
    Oh, Benzster, you're such a goof!! I was trying to make the intersection as wide as possible, so we get 2-4 lane highways coming to a big-a** intersection. The R would still overshoot the intersection traveling at 50. You crack me up, and I agree that the only way out would be to mash the go pedal and pray. Certainly, if I were going to get t-boned by a semi I can think of a lot worse vehicles to be in than the R-Class. :)

    If you guys are working on a vehicle that can stop in 50-60 feet while traveling at 50mph give me a holler and put me on that list. It has to have wheels, tho, no tank treads please. They give me a headache. :D
  • benzsterbenzster Posts: 152
    We've got that! But it is at Silverstone this weekend. ;)
  • chirpchirp Posts: 194
    Got me, Benzster. We need a race car forum on Edmunds. :)
  • benzsterbenzster Posts: 152
    We could hijack this one ;) As long as it's involving cars that can turn right. I don't mean off pitwall either. I wonder if SCCA considers the R Class a van or wagon. If so, no autocross this weekend. I may take the CLK350 for giggles. :P
  • chirpchirp Posts: 194
    Hijack it is. I raced with SCCA and IMSA for about 8 years. I raced PRO for 2 of those years in IMSA in a World Sports Racer until I had a complete tear of my ACL while skiing. I tried to come back in 1999 at Sebring, but I could no longer heel-toe effectively and without endangering myself and other drivers so I hung up my racing shoes. :( My wife was happy the bank account got back to normal after a few years also.
  • benzsterbenzster Posts: 152
    I have very little "racing" experience. I converted an 82 VW cab by using a 944 throttle body, big valve head, new cam gears, 2 3/4" exhaust with an ansa setup, added upper strut bars, and dropped the car with a Bilstein spring and strut kit. On BF Goodrich 205/60/13 comp TA's it was fun to autocross, but that was all I did. As you can see it was back before the +1,2,3,4 tire setups, so you know it has been a while. I did switch to the GTI 14's later :blush: So now I am into supporting the MB marque in F1. An ACL? Like rolling up a window shade huh? Ouch. What does that do for the golf game? And just to stay on topic....Is everyone ready to see an R65? I can't wait for the my engine is very loud, the ride is rough, I have trouble with this yellow triangle beeping in my cluster issues ;)
  • chirpchirp Posts: 194
    Comp TA's...now there's a tire name I haven't heard in a long while. Those were the "original super-sticky tires". I had a set on an old 911 and I think I got about 8k on them! :D
    YES YES YES, bring on that R65!! It got to the point in my C32 that I didn't even notice the ESP flashing constantly. As you know turning it off didn't do a whole lot, but you could light up the tires real good for a little stretch! I hope the ESP is less intrusive on the R65 because it got downright scary at times in the C32 when it cut in; especially when you would be turning in front of traffic and gun-it just to have it stop you dead in your tracks. :surprise:
  • rclassfanrclassfan Posts: 5
    So we finally scheduled the replacement windscreen with the local MB dealer in Boston only to be called the day before the appointment to say they dont do replacement glass and to go to a local glass company they recommend.

    This seems strange, no?
  • benzsterbenzster Posts: 152
    Yes and No. Our glass installer is an independent that has been doing our glass for decades. If it is not an insurance claim we do all the paperwork but he installs the glass. If it is an insurance claim then we turn the issue over to his office to file and send in deductible check. Either way the glass is ours and is installed here on site. We control the appointment and the glass order. I can see how they might just send it out but we don't. Our technicians only install glass that rolls up and down (bottom line). The same gentleman installs all our glass and has forever all the way back to the 220 Chassis'.
  • benzsterbenzster Posts: 152
    correction: I stated back to the 220 chassis I meant back to the 111 chassis which was a 220 model. A 220 chassis is the S Class from MY00-06. Which would not be nearly as impressive.
    :blush:
  • chintchint Posts: 30
    I dont agree with you. I got my R350 last week and it had 16 miles in it .
  • vicsvics Posts: 10
    Yes, mine had 46 miles on it when I got it. :(
  • vicsvics Posts: 10
    I can't see the front end of my R350, and I'm not a little old lady. I'm six foot tall. And how do you park it? By ear? :confuse:
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