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Ford Explorer Mercury Mountaineer 2006 and newer

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  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Yeah, it's like they can't afford a single mistake, so instead, they make several. Bold, indeed.....
  • ajmtbmajmtbm Posts: 245
    the fact that the 06 looks similar to the 02-05 is probably cost. using all the same body panels, you can only differentiate so much.

    what i wonder is this, though - they totally redesigned the frame after 4 years, which of course nobody sees, and leave the exterior body panels the same. what am i missing? i cant imagine they needed to redesign the frame to improve the ride -
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    "what am i missing? i cant imagine they needed to redesign the frame to improve the ride -"

    Despite all the issues my '02 had...I have to agree it rode nice!
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Get this one - my wife's 04 Mountaineer's tailgate wouldn't open. Absolutely stuck shut - had to load everything through the back window. So, got my appt, took it in, the service adviser was stumped - said he's never seen this problem before. Gave me a free Grand Marquis to drive, and kept the car overnight. The next morning he said it was ready, and took so long because the mechanics couldn't get it open, so it went over to the body shop, where they got inside and kicked it open - only to find out the mechanism was just fine - my grand-daughter had poured some green sticky stuff down in there, and literally glued the thing shut!!! I was so embarassed!!

    So, they cleaned it all up for me, washed the car. I expected to pay for this, since it wasn't the car's fault, but there was no charge. Not even for the rental.

    This is why I've been buying cars at that dealership for 16 years......they appreciate their customers and actually try to help them - even if the customer is a moron and the problem is user error.....

    Thought you'd enjoy that story.... :blush:
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    Well,
    It's great that there are still some organizations that value their customers and wish to build-long term loyalty. Not charging you for the rental was a class act!!

    Now it's good you can send the grand kids home when you get tired of them, or when they glue your car door shut! :) ;)
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    "Now it's good you can send the grand kids home when you get tired of them, or when they glue your car door shut!"

    Don't I wish!! Unfortunately - we raise the grand kids....long story.
  • fsmmcsifsmmcsi Posts: 792
    I just printed out the 2007 order guide, and it lists the new cup-style door handles in the arm rests. Unfortunately, Edmunds does not have prices up (Moderator - where are they?).

    I am leaning towards buying a 2006 Toyota RAV4 V6 or 2008 Freestyle, but every time I drive my wife's C230, I am reminded that I very much prefer real rear wheel drive.

    Nvbanker - Thanks you for the story about excellent service from a Ford/L-M dealer, and thanks for raising those grandchildren instead taking the easy way out.
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    "thanks for raising those grandchildren instead taking the easy way out."

    DITTO!!!!!!!
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,826
    Edmunds does not have prices up (Moderator - where are they?).

    Good question; I see the Sport Trac info is up for '07 so hopefully the Explorer info will be along shortly.

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  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    "and it lists the new cup-style door handles in the arm rests."

    What punishment does the guy deserve that designed the old ones?? JUST KIDDING!!
  • fsmmcsifsmmcsi Posts: 792
    Actually, I seem to remember that a woman was in charge of the 2006 interior re-design, and her company car should be replaced (for one year) with an old Hyundai Excell.

    It would be no surprise if Explorer sales increase slightly because of the new door handles.
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    "It would be no surprise if Explorer sales increase slightly because of the new door handles."

    Yes, it will be interesting to see if this helps. I think the redesign that isn't - (exterior) is more of an issue.
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    If you need off-road capability, go for the RAV4. If you need the interior space, go for the Freestyle.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,730
    this is an explorer thread, not 'escape'.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    "Yes, it will be interesting to see if this helps. I think the redesign that isn't - (exterior) is more of an issue."

    You're right - though the lousy door panels are a hot topic of discussion by our valets here, the large GM SUVs are flat gorgeous - this from a guy who generally disdains the General. Put the Explorer up against them on that basis, no wonder they are getting ignored.
  • fsmmcsifsmmcsi Posts: 792
    nvbanker - I agree that the new GM SUVs, especially the Escalade, look nice on the exterior, but they still have solid rear axles and a lousy 3rd row design, plus very high prices.

    Very soon, Ford will be out with the redesigned 2007 Expedition (regular and long versions) and Navigator, the new 2007 Edge and MKX, the redesigned Escape and Mariner, the redesigned Freestyle, the Mazda CX-7, and the Mazda CX-9. With all of those other choices, the small niche left for the Explorer and Mountaineer is people who:

    A) Are willing to pay for the fuel;

    B) Prefer rear wheel drive; and,

    C) Want the easier parking and manuvering provided by a vehicle the size of an Explorer / Mountaineer instead of something larger.

    An even smaller sub-set of those people will need the towing and/or off-road capabilities of a vehicle with a separate body and frame.
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    "Very soon, Ford will be out with the redesigned 2007 Expedition (regular and long versions) and Navigator, the new 2007 Edge and MKX, the redesigned Escape and Mariner, the redesigned Freestyle, the Mazda CX-7, and the Mazda CX-9"

    Mazda - while not extremely daring they are on the right track with their designs. We will have to wait and see what Ford comes up with the Expedition and others. However, Ford will really have to raise the bar to compete with the full-size SUVs from The General with the Expedition. With all the "budget crunching" that is going on over there, I am less than optimistic.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,213
    However, Ford will really have to raise the bar to compete with the full-size SUVs from The General with the Expedition.

    I'm pretty sure I read a comparo between the '07 Suburban and a pre-production '07 Expedition in MT a couple of months ago and the Suburban barely beat the Expedition solely based on engine performance. Call me crazy, but 0-60 times that are within a few tenths of each other for two huge SUVs shouldn't matter much to the vast majority of shoppers. So I don't think you're going to see too many Ford or GM buyers jumping to the other side anytime soon.

    C'mon Chuck, SRA aside, you still have to pull a heavy third row seat out of the back of the GM's and store it somewhere to use the space. That's so 1980's. :P
  • zeeman84zeeman84 Posts: 16
    Yes, GM did a very good job on their exterior design. I looked very hard at the Tahoe before purchasing my 06 E.B. Explorer. The problems with the Tahoe include the four speed transmission. I think that the Explorer six speed transimission has the GM unit beat as far as helping gas mileage. Plus, GM is having a lot of problems producing this vehicle with options such as nav. radio, side airbags, 20" inch wheels, and rear camera. I think that due to penny pinching on GM's part, they way underestimated the demand for these options.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    They do a good job on the outside, but leave the engineering back in the 70's so many times.... Lots of folks don't notice that though, and they do run well - old technology works, the bugs are out. It's been GM's M.O. for years now, and it's still working. The 3rd seat thing though will always be a problem with me. Having had power folding 3rd seat, I could never go back to lifting one out and storing it again. I'll buy the Fords, Nissans and anybody else who has IRS and the folding rear seats - but not GM, Dodge or anybody who has the old fashioned design. 0-60 times are irrelevant to me in these trucks, and the Fords have always had sufficient towing power for my needs, and more.
  • ajmtbmajmtbm Posts: 245
    are the rear seats in the GM vehicles really removable and not fold-flat?

    what a huge mistake.

    the GM units will compete on rpice - they will be cheaper than the ford. and i concur that the cost cutting at ford will probably cost ford some.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Absolutely they are. Their rear axle is still solid, like the Model T was, and their transmission is still a 4 speed - the Nissan has 5, and the Fords have 6 speeds. They look great - but honestly, they are the same old truck the old ones were - nothing much new under the truck.
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    "Absolutely they are. Their rear axle is still solid, like the Model T was, and their transmission is still a 4 speed - the Nissan has 5, and the Fords have 6 speeds. They look great - but honestly, they are the same old truck the old ones were - nothing much new under the truck."

    I believe they now have cylinder deactivation, and actually are rated at better mpg than the previous generation. The now also ride and handle better than the previous generation.

    But the bottom line is this - EVEN WITH A 4 SPEED TRANSMISSION - EVEN WITH THE NON-FOLDABLE THIRD SEAT - EVEN WITH THE OLD MOTORS - the sells are up and the transaction (final) price is up as well. So apparently buyers feel there is something more to pay their hard earned money for.
    One can't say that about the "redesign that isn't" on the Ford Explorer.
    We all know THERE ARE A TON of used Explorers and Suburbans that can be had real cheap if you want to save some money!
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Proving once again, chuck1, that form over function still sells the most cars, right?
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    "form over function still sells the most cars, right?"

    Agreed! Most people will not even think about a 4 speed tranny vs. a six speed. Or a pushrod vs. OHC motor. Nope, with most people these things are not even a consideration!
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,213
    are the rear seats in the GM vehicles really removable and not fold-flat?

    See for yourself! This is the '07 Cadillac Escalade from Edmunds' full test BTW. This copy rang the register at over $66k.

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  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    And even though I like the looks of the new Escalade better than the new Navigator (which I really hate, BTW, and will not buy), I wouldn't buy the Escalade because of that damn, old fashioned, out of date, ridiculously useless and inferior back seat. I'd get an Infiniti - they have at least figured out how to copy Ford's design and implement it. The Cadillac looks better all over, but function matters to me. Typical GM Form over Function engineering.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,730
    other than the c and d pillars being wider, the whole light colored upper portion looks like an exact copy of an '02-05 explorer. probably expedition too.
    love those cadillac front seats, though.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    If the Explorer is "all new", they did a hellova job concealing it from the public.

    I like Cadillac seats as well, and several other things about it, including how it looks. The moronic, unfunctional 3rd row though, just makes me furious, and I can't have it. I'd be psycho if I did, every time I had to use it.
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    "I'd be psycho if I did, every time I had to use it."

    I agree - it's a bad idea. And it doesn't even matter that some of us might not even need to remove it very often....but when you do that's when you break your back!
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