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The Future Of The Manual Transmission

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  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,346

    @xwesx Now you have me quite curious to try the leather interior version.

    I wonder if they have fixed that 5 mph stop n go abruptness on the newer DSGs now? The fact that you got even better milage with the DSG suggests that its fina drive ratio must be a lot taller than the stick version. Also why it's a bit soft on urge probably..

    I don't know if the Focus has DCA still..did you mean DSG? If so I think that yes they still use that style of auto.

    And no, don't be embarrassed at all for using the left foot outta habit...I can so relate to that anytime I get in an auto the first 20 min or so..

  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,663
    edited January 5

    sephia - As lightweight as that Mitsu is, I suspect it could be a fun little runabout. I have to wonder how they pulled off that weight while still building a high-quality, safe-to-operate car. Kudos to them on doing so!

    xwesx-nice ta hear from you. Yep-Mitsubishi engineering is top-quality engineering. The fact that American consumers didn't get that memo is no surprise ta me at all. Having said that, I would, if buying American, buy Ford. 58% of all my car purchases have been Ford's and I remain impressed by my old, traded-in Ford's as well as the new offerings. I like the new ST Focus and new Fiesta the most but I do like the standard Focus and Fiesta sedans and hatchbacks as well. Sounds like you're getting good ghastly mileage out of yours. Excellent. For how much we're stuck paying for ghastly (since about 1970 and/on) I am always about saving money in that category as much as possible yet still getting an enjoyable ride.

    I am growing more and more interested in the manual 2014 Mitsubishi Mirage, though trading in our 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS is not only something I don't want to do it's also not something I need to do. I just love cars so much and love reading about them, and love driving them so much. You're right, to get a car under a ton in total weight and focus so much on the gas-saving aerodynamics like Mitsubishi has, yet still manage to get a car built that is safe on the road is quite an achievement.

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,273

    @crkyolfrt said: xwesx I don't know if the Focus has DCA still..did you mean DSG? If so I think that yes they still use that style of auto.

    Yes. I think DSG stands for "direct-shift gearbox," which doesn't make a lot of sense to me given that a classic manual transmission is, for all intents and purposes, a DSG. I may have coined "DCA" myself, so sorry about that. A "DSG" is an automatic that uses a dual-clutch mechanism to allow for automatic shifts without the need for a torque converter, so it seems an apt acronym to call it a "dual-clutch automatic." :)

    I just did a quick search and, yes, Ford does use the "PowerShift" transmission in both of these cars. This is a 6-speed "DSG" made by Getrag. They must have improved the low-speed characteristics of it, because I did not notice any unpleasantness at all when I used the 2013 Foci, and I had one of them for a week. IIRC, it netted me ~33 mpg in local driving.

  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,273

    @iluvmysephia1 said: I just love cars so much and love reading about them, and love driving them so much. You're right, to get a car under a ton in total weight and focus so much on the gas-saving aerodynamics like Mitsubishi has, yet still manage to get a car built that is safe on the road is quite an achievement.

    Yep, I'm in the same boat with you there! I switch cars far less often than I'd like to switch them. Not that I don't like the ones I have... there are just so many other interesting ones out there I'd like to try!

    I think my '98 Escort was listed as 2457#. Curb weight of my Fiesta (which is, dimensionally, is 15 inches shorter!) is 2537#. Just looking at that tiny little thing, one wouldn't reasonably expect it to weigh that much! It harnesses a horse for every 21.14 pounds.

    The Mirage manages to knock a whopping 541# off my Feista's weight while being an inch narrower, another 11 inches (!) shorter, and an inch taller. That means, with it's little 74-horse engine, it has a horse for every 26.97 pounds. So, I wouldn't expect it to be a particularly zippy car, but could still be a fun runabout. Reviews say that it's steering and suspension are on the soft side... ? Would be interesting to try, anyway. :)

  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,663

    Yes, some early purchasers are buying sway bars for about $200 and installing them. There is also talk about the 14" tires being the smallest tires on a new car in a long time. Have ta agree with that. Buyers say some tighter springs might help, too, with handling. Mitsubishi may need to upgrade those items straight from the factory from now on but I'll bet they won't ta keep '14 Mirage costs and weight down.

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,623
    edited January 20

    What are the best manuals available for under $30,000 these days? There are a few, including....

    The 2014 Mazda3 sedan 6 speed manual starting at $16,945.

    The 2014 Mini Cooper 6 speed manual starting at $19,700.

    The Mazda6 Sport 6 speed manual starting at $20,990.

    The 2013 Civic Si sedan 6MT starting at $22,715.

    The 2014 Accord Sport 6 MT for $23,715.

    What are some others?

  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 39,017
    edited January 20

    This shopper could use some help. ISO a MT hatch or wagon with a moonroof.

  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,407

    Have to include Miata in that list. also GTI.

    Have not driven the Acura ILX, but it's stick is probably pretty nice - near the top of the price range though.

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 13,602

    Ilx drivetrain is really just the civic in a cushier package. And GTI needs to be on the list.

    Can a WRX come in on budget?

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • dino001dino001 Tampa, FLPosts: 3,432

    @stickguy said:

    Can a WRX come in on budget? Definitely yes, base version. Still pretty fast, 250 hp or so - and handling, too.

    2012 BMW 328i wagon, manual and sports package. No. sold in the US: 1. Probably.

  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,273

    @stickguy

    Disadvantage of the WRX may be insurance costs, especially for a young, unmarried man (we're still talking your son's car, yes?).

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 13,602

    @xwesx said: stickguy

    Disadvantage of the WRX may be insurance costs, especially for a young, unmarried man (we're still talking your son's car, yes?).

    Oh, I was just joining the earlier discussion about under 30K stick cars. A WRX is not a good idea for my son at this point!

    though he was looking at used Miatas, and thinking about a stick.

    He is kind of all over the place at the moment.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • sb55sb55 On an Island in VermontPosts: 157

    @stickguy said: though he was looking at used Miatas, and thinking about a stick

    If your son gets a Miata, get a PRHT. It makes it into a better daily driver.

    2007 Miata, 2010 BMW 535xiT, 2010 GMC Sierra SLE, 2006 Subaru Legacy Wagon

  • eliaselias Posts: 1,837

    how about the 2014 chevy cruze M6 at $18,095 retail price. I'm still too happy with mine to consider trading my 2011. i was soooo pleased with the shifter/action/clutch on day 1, real smooth, perfect spacing of gears for running in 6th at 75 or whatev.
    55k miles so far.. no problems whatsoever.

    @benjaminh said: What are the best manuals available for under $30,000 these days? There are a few, including....

    The 2014 Mazda3 sedan 6 speed manual starting at $16,945.

    The 2014 Mini Cooper 6 speed manual starting at $19,700.

    The Mazda6 Sport 6 speed manual starting at $20,990.

    The 2013 Civic Si sedan 6MT starting at $22,715.

    The 2014 Accord Sport 6 MT for $23,715.

    What are some others?

  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    edited January 21

    I have to say the WRX is a great little car that happens to have a manual, but it's not a great manual, even with the short shifter. I would say the shifter in the SI is much more precise and entertaining to row. The 6-speed in the STi, which I assume is the one that will be in the new WRX when it is released later in the year, is a much better shifter. But the 5-speed is a bit balky and imprecise.

    It was one of the decision points for me when I chose the SI.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,681

    That's right----short shifters increase shifting effort, not make it easier--just faster.

  • dino001dino001 Tampa, FLPosts: 3,432
    edited January 21

    @nippononly said: I have to say the WRX is a great little car that happens to have a manual, but it's not a great manual, even with the short shifter. I would say the shifter in the SI is much more precise and entertaining to row. The 6-speed in the STi, which I assume is the one that will be in the new WRX when it is released later in the year, is a much better shifter. But the 5-speed is a bit balky and imprecise.

    I don't know. I owned 2003 WRX with short shifter and it was fantastic. The clutch was really heavy, but the entire sensation was great. I really felt it after a couple of week break, especially if I drove some other manual transmission car - say I was on holiday break back in my Old Country and drove my sister's or dad's car. After that, getting into my WRX was a real treat. BTW, I also owned 2008 STI, so I have a comparison. The standard STI shifter did not feel as "short" - in fact it felt softer. The only thing about WRX short shifter was that required a firm hand move with some force in it. A hesitation or too soft hand could result in a missed gear - it happened to me early couple of times, but once I learned, there was no feel of lack of precision.

    2012 BMW 328i wagon, manual and sports package. No. sold in the US: 1. Probably.

  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 39,017

    New on the site today:

    "The WRX may also not be the best choice if urban driving is in the cards, as clutch engagement can be abrupt in certain circumstances and its heavy effort will have your left leg significantly beefier than your right after only a few days stuck in traffic. Modulating the throttle just right can also be a bit tricky, making smooth driving difficult at times."

    2015 Subaru WRX Full Test

  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 39,017

    May as well include a pic of the shifter.

  • dino001dino001 Tampa, FLPosts: 3,432

    @Stever@Edmunds said: New on the site today:

    "The WRX may also not be the best choice if urban driving is in the cards, as clutch engagement can be abrupt in certain circumstances and its heavy effort will have your left leg significantly beefier than your right after only a few days stuck in traffic. Modulating the throttle just right can also be a bit tricky, making smooth driving difficult at times."

    They should have written the tester can't drive with a stick ;)

    2012 BMW 328i wagon, manual and sports package. No. sold in the US: 1. Probably.

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