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Best "Beginner Car" for Modifying/Tuning

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    That's wild. And you were able to find spare parts without a problem? I'd be afraid of parts availability, lack of help from forums like this one, and the price of imported new-old-stock parts.

    You're brave. ;)

    Hyundai Pony - are you in Canada? I've seen those cars in other markets but not in the US.

    -juice
  • hondafriekhondafriek Ottawa CanadaPosts: 2,922
    A Hyundai Pony!!! where did you even find one of those? I thought they had all gone to car heaven. Geez those things rusted out even quicker than a Chevy Vega and that's saying something. :)

    Cheers Pat.
  • I need some help i have a toyota corona i have just replaced the points and need to know how far i am spose to set the it tis a 1980 toyota corona cs XT130e starfire engine
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I doubt you'll find anyone with information quite so specific. Do you have a Haynes or Chiltons manual for that model? That should have the specs.

    Also try a Google search for "Corona Specifications" or something like that.

    -juice
  • The www.autozone.com site might have these specs.
  • HI I AM NOT TRACKING OR RESPONDING TO THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION BUT AM WONDERING IF SOMEON COULD HELP ME OUT.

    WELL THE THING IS LAST YEAR MY PARENTS GAVE ME A CAR FOR GRADUATION, IT WAS A 2.0 GOLF, THEY DIDN'T REALLY WANT A CAR THAT WAS FAST, IT'S NOT LIKE I CAN BUILD A HOTROD WITH A GOLF BUT I WOULD LIKE TO TWEEK IT UP BECAUSE IT IS, HONESTLY STUPIDLY SLOW.

    WHAT CAN I DO, ANY IDEAS?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    That's what that engine was nick-named. To be honest I'm not sure there's all that much you can do to it, so I'd focus on the suspension, make it go fast around turns.

    -juice
  • carlisimocarlisimo Posts: 1,280
    Yeah, that was not a good engine.

    Your options are to swap it out for a GTI engine, or to give it some forced induction. Given the ideosyncracies of VW electrical systems, it might be hard to make the first one work.

    Someone makes a supercharger for the base Golf engine. It doesn't make it fast though... I don't know if it's worth the money. Find some Golf experts, and look into the possiblity of using junkyard turbos and intercoolers.
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    Watch your oil. Those cars can use up to a quart per 1,ooo miles. The HP is plenty to learn on. Driver learning power first, cornering skills, and such, then more straight line power.
    -Loren
  • Well, as everyone has said, it depends on what you're going to do with the car.

    As for drag racing, the Ford Mustang is a cheap and powerful option.

    If it has anything to do with great handling, I'd go with either the Honda Civic, Mazda Miata, VW GTI, or a Dodge Neon for a cheaper, well handled option. If you have a lot of extra cash, the Porsche Boxter is an extreme, but quick, option. A few other cars tha tcould be useful here are the Nissan 350z, and the Subaru WRX STI.

    For street racing, any of the above are great options. I would go with the vehicle with the most aftermarket options, most likely the Civic.

    If you just want to look good, the 350z is a great looking car. The Mustang is a good lookign car as well, but it has more of a muscle-car feel, as apposed to the tuning feel of the 350z.

    -Jake :shades:
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    For street racing, any of the above are great options. I would go with the vehicle with the most aftermarket options, most likely the Civic.

    We do not promote street racing. Perhaps a bicycle is good for that!

    Seriously though, innocent, non-involved people (not participants or spectators) often are the victims of street racing. Before you do it, think what you would do if your Mother, Father, Brother or Sister were to be killed by a street racer.

    -mike
    Motorsports and Modifications Host
  • "Almost all of the other vehicles will require an engine swap to be competitive with the GT."

    Wow. There is an awful lot of mustang love going on in here... did the original post say that we were only supposed to consider cars that are currently in production?

    If you want straight line speed (we'll talk about handling later) then forget about a Mustang GT. It requires way to many mods to make it go fast and you'll still get beat by the occasional ricer with a turbo.

    For simple, straight line, affordable speed, there is nothing better than a 4th gen F-body. Get either engine you want (LT1 or LS1) they're both amazing and easy to mod. The LS1 is probably one of the best V8's ever made in terms of ease of modification and out of the box power delivery. In a straight line, the Camaro/Firebirds will flat out smoke the equivalent mustang stock for stock and once you get into mods, the mustang will need a pulley to beat an F-body with just bolt-ons.

    If you buy a '98 Firebird Trans Am (or WS6 would be better, but for money's sake we'll say T/A) and just do bolt on mods, you'll have a car that will be in the 12 second range for far less money than it would take to get a fox body Mustang GT to do the same thing. If you buy a 2001 or 2002 it'll be even cheaper to get them to go fast because those cars had the LS6 intake manifold installed from the factory bringing base hp/tq on the T/A to 310/340 (325/350 in the WS6). The LS6 manifold is able to support upwards of 500rwhp so there's no need to worry about an engine swap to support more power. If cheap straight line fun is all you want, then you don't need to look any further than the 4th gen F-body cars.

    They won't handle as well, but they're incredible as daily drivers (provided you stay street legal with your mods) and even stock you'll be running low 13's at the track with practice.

    In terms of handling, I'm surprised the Mazda RX-8 hasn't gotten any love here. It's one of the best handling cars available (think Miata but better) and with a few mods it'd be a great beginner car, especially since you can get an '04 for ~$13K now.
  • if you think all 2.0z are slow then you have somthing wrong in your head because i have a 1989 honda crx hatchback with a turboed 2.0 in it and its an 11 second car and there are still things i can do to make it faster
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    That CR-X weighed about half what a new VeeDub would weight, plus your engine is no longer stock.
  • dan1dan1 Posts: 76
    Sel it and buy a car that already has some performance from the factory you will save money and headache in the long run.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,978
    Voice of experience?
  • One can make just about any car go faster but you might not like the trade-offs that come with it. Depends on your goals and expectations, for drivability in normal traffic, comfort, ride, fussiness, noise, etc.
  • So, if I may, what does everyone think of the Chevy Sonic Z-Specs package? It seems GM and the major manufacturers are trying to get into the aftermarket game and cut out the middle man. Thouughts?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I wonder why they didn't tune the engine, output stays the same.
  • Yeah, I think this is purely an aesthetic thing. They see the money to be made from aftermarket accessories and want to tap into to that market.
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