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Lexus GS 450h

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  • 4lexusguy4lexusguy Posts: 2
    It has been interesting to read the string on the hybrids...
    I started my "Lexus career" with an SC300 - a truly great grand tourer with long legs, great cruising capability and I commuted a round trip of 986 miles from home in FL to office in Charleston SC for two years. Kept it a total of six.

    Got my wife in an RX 300 in 2000, which she loved and I thought was pretty good. Sold the SC a couple of years ago at 186,000 miles (I still look at them on the road with affection and nostalgia) and got a 1998 LS 400 which is another really great car - smooth, fast, comfortable, quiet, great stereo, navigation. Only thing that's dated is the diameter of the cup holders... oh well!

    Traded the RX 300 a month ago for an RX 400h. My wife loves it and so do I. Other than a slow leak on the front left tire it has been faultless. Just came back from a 1,600 mile trip to the NC mountains and thoroughly enjoyed the car. It's amazingly fast for the type of vehicle, with tremendous mid range acceleration, and from Orlando to Cashiers it averaged 24.8 mpg (25.1 until the mountain stage) while traveling close to 80 the whole way. It now has about 4,600 miles on it and the mpg has been improving as time has passed. Doubt it will ever reach the sticker consumption levels of 29/31 - least of all with my foot on the accelerator!

    The Mark Levinson sound system is one of the very best I've ever heard, the car is comfortable and quiet, except under hard acceleration when it makes a strange unaccustomed roar, since it doesn't change gears in a conventional way. The navigation is excellent, the bluetooth phone a wonder. In all I'm very impressed.

    On the strength of this experience I called the dealer today and ordered a GS 450h. Sure, I've done the math, and one can't (yet, at current prices) justify the fuel consumption differential, but these are really cool high tech cars that are fun to drive, and Toyota is leading the pack by a country mile, and I believe this is an initiative worth supporting.

    Ok, so now the retaliation in advance, since it seems customary for BMW and Benz drivers to attack us Lexus chaps. I'm a Brit who has had a few interesting bits of iron: several flavors of Porsche (3), Bentley (3), Shadow II, MGC and MGB (Stage III tuned), Benz 450 SLC, Cooper and Cooper S, BMW 323i (bits fell off it and it felt stodgy on the road), etc., etc. The BMW was the only car I've ever had that was taken from the front of my house on a trailer because of a total engine failure. Pathetic!

    I'll go on record and say that fun though all these were I've left them all behind for the Lexus range. These are unequivocally the best built cars on the road today, with the best service support and overall ownership experience. I went with a friend who owns an MB wagon and an AMG 55S (he had the E model before) and couldn't believe how discourteously the Benz dealership treated him - and that was after the AMG was trailered in from a remote roadside with a "smoke exhalation" problem! (But he did get a nice Chevrolet Cavalier loaner, complete with cigarette ash all over the floor!) Check out the JD Power listing. Benz is somewhere between Yugo and Kia in the initial quality rating, just below Pontiac.

    Gotta run home now!
  • how much did you pay to be on the waiting list?
  • I have a GS400 and was ready to buy a 2006 GS430 having read about it in the auto magazines, when I found out that only the GS300 came in All Wheel Drive. Does anyone know if the GS450H or GS450 is going to be offered in All Wheel?
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    I would tend to doubt it as the RH has the AWD but you never know. Too bad there's not more information out there.
  • 4lexusguy4lexusguy Posts: 2
    I didn't pay a dime. I put my name on the list about 6 months before the end of the lease on the RX 300, and then when the time came for the dealer to allocate cars, about 4 weeks before taking delivery, the dealer asked me to firm up my order with a $1,000 deposit.
    That was credited to me at the time of the purchase.

    The dealer was Claude Macrina at Lexus of Melbourne in Florida. He dealt with me fairly and straighforwardly and I thoroughly recommend him.

    Incidentally, a friend of mine bought a Lexus SC 430 from Lexus of Melbourne when they were first released, totally hot, and most dealers were charging a premium of $8k - $10k. They charged him list and not a penny more.

    Now that's an honorable dealer - quite different from the sharks further south, all of whom were charging an "Additional Dealer Fee," aka a gouge that should have had the disqualified from the Lexus dealer network, in my humble opinion.
  • zoranzoran Posts: 68
    Any final words on pricing, or options etc, and miles/gallon yet?
    High 20s do not excite me at this point, if Lexus can get mid 30s from 07 LSH then what the heck wrong with GSH?
  • I've been reading up on these cars and excited about the possibility of getting one.
    However - if the NM price is somewhat close to the MSRP - it's going to be out of reach.

    GS450h
  • ideleidele Posts: 200
    I have read the press release at the current Tokyo Motor Show on the GS450h .Hybrid technology has taken another leap forward. The transmission has six speeds and from the quote that follows, apparently dual range.
    Quote from press release: The 3.5-liter V6 engine employs the new D-4S fuel injection system using duel injectors with both in-cylinder direct fuel injection and ported fuel injection. In synergy with the electric motor, this provides 2.0 liter class fuel economy along with the acceleration you would expect from a 4.5-liter power plant..Another feature of the GS450h is its new transmission designed for hybrid applications. The motor power transmitted to the reduction gear has two modes: In high gear, it adds high-speed cruising pleasure, while in low gear, it controls generation of powerful torque, thereby enhancing acceleration and fual efficiency, while reducing noise.
  • hendjazhendjaz Posts: 155
    Looking forward to the US release. Ist that still planned for Spring 06 and does anyone know if that is closer to April or June, for example?
  • ideleidele Posts: 200
    So am I. I expect to see it by June. The technology on the GS450h is phenomenal. It's regrettable, when I read all the messages on the various Lexus and hybrid forums, how very shallow the comprehension of this technology is. I got an RX400h a few months ago. I just put in my order for a GS450h. This will be the first time I've traded a year old car. With Lexus one knows the vehicle will be cpmpletely debugged.
  • ideleidele Posts: 200
    Alas I didn't debug. It's completely not cpmpletely
  • Are you haveing problems with it?

    Is it getting the economy you expected? What did you expect.

    From your post, it sound like mechanical problems are not included.

    DrFill
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    http://car-reviews.automobile.com/Lexus/review/2007-lexus-gs-450h-preview/1500/

    "As with all hybrids, the benefits are not merely inclusive to horsepower. The boost includes an increase in torque - a steady surge of which is available from 0 rpm. For those curious, the GS 450h really does perform like a car powered by a 4.5-liter engine (which is what Lexus is referring to when designating it with the "450" numeric name), at least according to Lexus own internal tests. Taking less than 6 seconds toreach 60 mph from standstill, it slots well into the performance range of high-powered midsize competitors from BMW and Infiniti. Like the Highlander Hybrid or RX 400h, midrange pull should be more than enough to surprise the uninitiated, particularly for passing at higher speeds. As always, the GS 450h abides by Lexus commitment to producing full hybrid vehicles, with the ability to operate on pure electrical assist or in tandem with the gasoline engine. This seems to be a trend for all new hybrid vehicles, however, with even Hondas Civic now capable of running only on electrical propulsion, and GM committed to a full-hybrid system for its next-generation HEVs."
  • Too bad there aren't any plans for an AWD version of this vehicle for those of us that live in areas that are not real friendly to RWD vehicles (for part of the year) :( .
  • hendjazhendjaz Posts: 155
    I saw a magazine blurb about Neiman Marcus putting up for sale 75 of the 06 GS 450h sedans as its holiday vehicle in "limited edition" mode without further details on what that means. The article otherwise indicates it will have bluetooth, Mark Levinson stereo (yawn) and rearview camera. Price is $65K. No indication of the delivery date in the article. Perhaps there is greater detail at Neiman Marcus but haven't checked. This is noteworthy that this vehicle was picked by Neiman for this as it is some indication of a "special" car that is coming that is not yet available. I believe last year or the year before it was the BMW 6 series coupe at about $75K.
  • zoranzoran Posts: 68
    I found out that the GS450h will have 390hp!! I was told this by a lexus salesman. Any updates or information about this.
  • Never totally trust salesmen.... But since we don't have any proof whether the GS will have that much power, I can't really tell you if that's true or not. But I'd expect more like 330hp, because the 3.5 V6 makes 270hp already, and coupled to electric motors (60hp) that could make a nice 330. But I guess we'll have to wait until Lexus releases the car to tell the number of HP more accurately.
  • ideleidele Posts: 200
    As I have mentioned above I am #1 at my Lexus dealer for the purchase of a GS450h. Horsepower measurements are not of much interest or use to me. With my current RX400h the midrange acceleration is so immediate and smooth that, as I've already stated in a post, I will only buy cars with hybrid synergy drives like those on Lexuses in the future. The description of the GS450h powerplant from the press release for the Tokyo Motor Show that I previously posted, indicates that it will be more advanced.
  • Since it looks like a mid-gen 2008 facelift should yield a 27-280HP 350, and a 350-375HP 460, a Hybrid would fit quite nicely in between at 320-330HP.

    But if it were to cost more than the V8, then a lofty power number would be more appropriate, as Lexus seems to be putting out there that Lexus Hybrids will be more about performance ability than economy.

    Lexus can do no wrong here.

    DrFill
  • ideleidele Posts: 200
    The fuel efficiency on my Lexus RX400h is about 40% better the the Audi Allroad 2.7T that I traded. To me the midrange acceleration, the low center of gravity yielding faster flatter cornering, the quiet making listening to music much more pleasurable are some of the reasons I admire the Toyota/Lexus hybrids. I've been told by an LS owner that it has a manual cruising switch for use over 40mph. It seems that this will be automated in the GS450h powerplant. BMW which I regard as tops in ICE powerplants is struggling to cope with the inexorable Toyota/Lexus powerplant advances. Two examples: BMW exhibited at the last Frankfurt auto show exhibited a car with capacitors in the front wheel housing for capturing braking energy. The problem I see is that capacitors are nowhere as reliable as batteries, and so unlikely to see production soon if at all. A more recent item from BMW was about recapturing heat from the engine and exhaust. They claimed 15% improvement in mpg. From the description it's an expensive add-on. The press release states that it's ten years from production. So yet more of what is termed "vaporware".
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