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IS DIESEL BETTER THAN UNLEADED?

limpbizkitlimpbizkit Posts: 1
edited March 21 in Chevrolet
I am a person who likes my powerful trucks but a friend is telling me that unleded is better and well i was wondering for the people out there..is desiel better than unleded?

~~limpbizkit~~
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  • How many truckers out there use a gasoline engine? With diesel you get 30% more power and fuel efficiency than with gasoline. With sensible driving you can pay for your diesel engine in fuel savings within 3-4 years. Plus, the new Ram has 300HP and 600FP! The Cummins engine is RATED for 400,000 miles, BY CUMMINS! Go diesel and you'll never regret it!
  • Hmm....gas...what's that? I don't even own a gasoline vehicle anymore.

    Power..let's see.....

    Ford
    6.0L Powerstroke Diesel 325HP/570T
    5.4L V8 Gas 300HP/365T
    6.8L V10 Gas 362HP/457T
    Which do you thing will pull more and have more "power" feel?

    GM
    6.6L Duramax Diesel 310HP/605T
    6.0L V8 Gas 300HP/360T
    8.1L V8 Gas 330HP/450T
    Which do you thing will pull more and have more "power" feel?

    Dodge
    5.9L Cummins Diesel 325HP/600T
    5.7L V8 Gas 330HP/375T
    Which do you thing will pull more and have more "power" feel?

    If you like powerful trucks, diesel is the only way to go. My '03 F350 6.0L Powerstroke pulls off the line 0-60 just like any other "sports" car or powerful sedan. And it tows like nothing else. So whatever make you prefer, diesel is the way to go.

    -PR-

    '03 Ford F350 SuperCrew Kingranch 6.0L Powerstroke
    '04 VW Jetta GLS TDI
    '05 VW Passat GLS TDI
  • rvdudervdude Posts: 1
    How do i change the spark plugs in my V10?
  • KCRam@EdmundsKCRam@Edmunds Mt. Arlington NJPosts: 3,495
    rvdude, you probably want to post that question in a more appropriate discussion such as Ford F-Series: Problems & Solutions.

    kcram - Pickups Host

    KCRam - Pickups/Wagons/Vans+Minivans Moderator

  • markw8markw8 Posts: 25
    With fuel costing 20 to 50 cents a gallon more than gas, there is nearly no hope of covering the extra cost. You buy the diesel because you need or want it. Mark.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678
    costing 20 to 50 cents a gallon more than gas

    I just traveled from Portland to San Diego. 10 cents per gallon was the biggest difference I saw between Gas and diesel. In CA I can buy the best ultra low sulfur diesel for 5-10 cents more than unleaded regular. For less than 3% price premium I get a 30% increase in mileage over a comparable gas car.
  • With fuel costing 20 to 50 cents a gallon more than gas

    I pay, right now, about 3-5 cents more per gallon than regular unleaded. In the dead of winter, I pay roughly 10-12 cents more per gallon, and in the heat of summer I pay roughly 10 cents less than regular unleaded. It all averages out.....

    -PR-
  • markw8markw8 Posts: 25
    Today in Akron Ohio, I saw fuel for 2.37. I saw gas for 1.99. Since late last year the spread has rarely been less than 20 cents, and once early this year fuel was 50 cents higher. If your paying what you say, then cosider yourself lucky.Mark.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,267
    No kidding. The diesel (and heating oil - non-road diesel) available here is refined about 15 miles from where I now sit, and for the past 6 months has been about 20 cents higher than gasoline.... which is shipped in via train. The most astonishing thing about this latest fuel hype is that heating oil is only about 5 cents less than road diesel...... that's just plain gouging in an area where an average home needs 500 gallons a year. I think diesel is about $2.35/gal now and one year ago, heating oil was $1.42/ gal with road diesel at $1.85.
  • markw8markw8 Posts: 25
    I think a lot of the high prices are due to dwindling refining capacity. Mark.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678
    I think you are exactly right. What is the best way to get people to lighten up on environmental roadblocks? Raise the price of fuel. They will need to build additional refineries to process all the new Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel. As other states adopt the cleaner unleaded that is mandated in CA, the need for modern refineries will increase. Now is the best chance we have to get those permits granted. We probably need 4-5 new refineries in the US to keep up with demand.

    As for this thread. I believe diesel is 30% better than unleaded gas. With ULSD many would argue that it is environmentally better than unleaded gas. The Europeans are quickly adopting diesel as the de facto fuel.
  • Today in Akron Ohio, I saw fuel for 2.37. I saw gas for 1.99.

    I'm going to use the current Akron prices to illustrate that even with a 38 cent spread, it is still cheaper per mile to fuel up the diesel.

    An F350 CC with a 5.4 Triton V8 Averages ~11MPG (info obtained from discussions)
    An F350 CC with a 6.8 Triton V10 Averages ~9 MPG (info obtained from discussions)
    An F350 CC with a 6.0 Powerstroke V8 Averages ~17MPG (I know, I have one)

    The V8 gas costs about 18.1 cents per mile to fuel. (1.99/11)
    The V10 gas costs about 22.1 cents per mile to fuel. (1.99/9)
    The V8 diesel costs about 13.9 cents per mile to fuel. (2.37/17)

    So we are talking about a fuel savings of 4.2-8.2 cents per mile with the diesel vs the gas engines. And, technically, you cannot compare the 5.4L V8 with the diesel since it has about HALF of the towing capacity, the V10 is really the comparable engine, but wanted to compare also with a gas V8 also so we could avoid the...but the GAS is a V10 and the diesel is a V8 portion of the discussion.

    So, driving 20,000 miles per year (which I drive many many more) and an average fuel savings of 6.2 cents per mile ((4.2+8.2)/2), you save $1240 per annum on fuel driving the diesel. And that is WITH diesel costing 38 cents more per gallon in Akron.......

    -PR-

    03 Ford F350 SuperCrew KingRanch 6.0L Powerstroke
    04 VW Jetta GLS TDI
    05 VW Passat GLS TDI
  • Never owning a diesel, is there a big maintenance cost difference between gas and diesel? I have read that oil changes (especially for the trucks) can be twice as much as gas.
  • john500john500 Posts: 409
    From a fuel economy and power (torque in particluar) perspective, I would agree that diesel is about 30 % better. Unfortunately, there is still the particulate matter issue with diesel fuel. Although the particluate matter decreases with low sulfur diesel, it is still much higher than what comes out of a gasoline engine. Presumably, the bulk of the particulate emission comes from the "sparkless" combustion. As far as new refineries in the US, good luck. From what I've read, I can't imagine any company paying the extra costs for pollution prevention, tax and labor when they can build refineries in Mexico or China.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678
    the particulate matter issue with diesel fuel

    My understanding is that when ULSD is used a particulate filter can be installed that is very effective on PM. If you install a particulate filter on an engine burning high sulfur diesel it will be destroyed in a short period of time. For people to give up the other positive aspects of using diesel because the US Government is not able to get their act together does not make sense to me. I am trying to do my part by using BP-ECD-1, which is becoming readily available in CA.

    As far as new refineries being blocked by regulations. How are we gaining on the situation by forcing them to be built in Mexico. We end up getting the pollution blown back over the border. It may help their economy and that is a good thing also. My main point is that there is not a shortage of Oil, just a shortage of production and transportation capacity.
  • Today in Elkhart, IN I paid $2.15 for diesel, regular unleaded at the same pump was $2.24.....I'm not going to redo the math, but the numbers just jumped substantially in favor of diesel.........

    -PR-
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678
    Our guy that lives in Brookings South Dakota just filled his F250 at the Co-op with B20 for $2.15 per gallon. Unleaded was $2.21. As the demand for heating oil goes down the price of diesel will go down.
  • Yeah, last summer, mid-summer, I was paying on average a quarter less per gallon, sometimes as high as $0.35 less per gallon....but I don't expect a spread as good as that one this year....

    -PR-
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678
    I don't expect diesel in CA to get much below regular. It has been about equal for several years since they added more tax to diesel than gas. I am using that ULSD and expect it to stay 10 cents higher than unleaded for a while. If we get more stations selling biodiesel it will force the price of # 2 diesel down a little. I just don't see the argument of noisy, smelly. My Passat TDI does not smell at all. I wish I could say that for the Lexus LS400. Let's put it this way. If you started the engine in the garage with the Lexus and closed the doors you would be dead long before you would with the Passat diesel. I'd rather have asthma than being dead.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,267
    I think the only disadvantages for Jo(e) Consumer with diesel is selection and price. A substantial premium is charged for diesel vehicles in the US (I do not know about elsewhere), and the variety of makes/models and options available with diesel engines is extremely limited. Fuel savings (mpg for similarly equipped gasoline vehicles) and power output are obvious, but for many people that does not offset the necessity to fork over more at purchase and choose from relatively few options.
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