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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,549
    Well sure there must be some lines or trim pieces on the car that evoke more successful styles, but overall the car is shockingly unattractive...the design is incoherent and clumsy IMO.

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  • texasestexases Posts: 5,534
    The Marlin was a really odd combination of a sedan with a fastback. I remember my dad's Automobile Quarterly article, "Marlin - a Fish Out of Water" (or something like that).

    Here's a good article on the Marlin
  • magnettemagnette London UKPosts: 1,928
    We're not getting far with this so a clue - it's French.
  • berriberri Posts: 4,159
    something went horribly wrong

    Actually, I believe this was a management screw up, sort of an inversion from the 62 Mopar downsizing fiasco. The Marlin was originally designed for the smaller American chassis, but management decided it needed to take on the successful Big 3 mid sized coupe market, so it was hastily stretched out onto the bigger Rambler chassis. Personally, I think it would have looked better as a smaller coupe, but I guess AMC had it's Javelin pony car and decided it needed to focus larger. Automotive design history is always very interesting!
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,160
    1948 Peugot 202 Berline?

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,549
    that makes sense, although I'm not sure what they could have done with such an awkward design, even if it were downsized. The first Barracuda was no winner either.

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  • bhill2bhill2 Posts: 1,333
    Actually, the American-based car (called the Tarpon) was fairly good looking (IMHO of course). Apparently Roy Abernathy decreed that it be transferred to the mid-sized Classic chassis because he wanted to offer a V-8 and AMC didn't have one that fit the American. The irony, of course, is that AMC introduced new V-8s late in the next model year that did fit. Anyway, in addition to the fact that all of the styling had to be redimensioned to fit on the larger chassis, it had to be done on an expedited basis. The result was, well, a disaster. But from what I have heard, so was Roy Abernathy.

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  • magnettemagnette London UKPosts: 1,928
    Not a Peugeot, although I can see why the radiator grille looks a bit like that..
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,549
    I dunno...aside from a few sculpture lines I don't see the Tarpon as much better. The whole thing is ...well....ungainly.....it looks like Karl Rove in a speedo eating pizza. :P

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  • bhill2bhill2 Posts: 1,333
    edited March 2013
    I dunno...aside from a few sculpture lines I don't see the Tarpon as much better.

    Well like I said, IMHO. I never saw the prototype in person (as it were) but from photos it looked better proportioned than the Marlin and attractive enough to sell in reasonable numbers. Given the way the Marlin sold it could scarcely have done worse.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,549
    here's the original:

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,549
    and the actual car:

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  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,160
    Well, my other guess was going to be Jaguar, again based on the grill, but you said it was French. Rather looks like a taxi.

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  • grahampetersgrahampeters AustraliaPosts: 1,587
    G'day

    Okay, it isn't a Renault, definitely not a Citroe and its not a Peugeot 202 (lights are on fenders) so we are getting around to smaller manufacturers.

    There is strong similarity to the pre war Fiat 1100 which was made by other manufacturers. I think there was a Simca connection.

    Am I getting closer

    Cheers

    Graham
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,598
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  • grahampetersgrahampeters AustraliaPosts: 1,587
    G'day

    I do know that we are supposed to be seeing it here in Australia, but not sure if it will be as a Holden or as original Opel Cascada, as sold in Europe. Opel have just opened a distribution arm here after many years of Holden selling rebadged Opels.

    I had hired a previous generation Astra Convertible sometimes, when in Sydney. Sexier to look at than drive. MInd you, Sydney is a city just calling for a soft-top (albeit with a roof which closes quickly, given the city's tendency to rapidly appearing showers). One of the great drives of the world is over the Sydney Harbour Bridge in a soft-top.

    Cheers

    Graham
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    Opel Cascada. I wonder if they would really bring that here.

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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    I think the proportions are better on the Tarpon, but I wasn't a fan of the styling of '64-69 Americans...and this from a guy who loves '64 Studebakers! LOL
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,598
    Yup, Cascada is Spanish for waterfall. Rumor has it Buick is considering bringing it in. They are trying (w some success IMO) to make their line up sportier.

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  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,598
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  • bhill2bhill2 Posts: 1,333
    Yes, I kind of think of the Tarpon and the Marlin as being the young Elvis and the old Elvis respectively. There are other analogies, but they would be likely to get me into trouble. Anyway, you get the picture. I just think the translation to the larger platform looked like a bloated caricature of the original.

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  • grahampetersgrahampeters AustraliaPosts: 1,587
    G'day

    Isn't that pretty? Maserati from late 50s or early 60s but I am not great on which model.

    The body looks like a Touring design, although possibly Pininfarina (harder to tell from this angle).

    Cheers

    Graham
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,549
    I thought the Mopars did a pretty good job in the mid to late 60s, but GM and Ford really lost it on their full-size cars IMO.

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  • magnettemagnette London UKPosts: 1,928
    Yes - its a Simca Eight 1200 which was made from 1948-51. It ws the last of the models based on the prewar Fiats, and was replaced by the Aronde.

    I like the way you refer to Simca as a small manufacturer - because they only made a limited range of models, most ofwhich weren't exactly iconic I tend to think of them in that way too - but the Aronde was regularly the best selling car in France and Simcas overall outsold Renault etc frequently.
  • grahampetersgrahampeters AustraliaPosts: 1,587
    G'day

    My recollection of Simcas was of strange French cars. For some reason to do with alterations in tariffs in about 1949, there was a sudden rush of French cards to Australia. The rugged cobbled Frensch roads were close to Australian bush tracks so they were well regarded, especially after Peaugeots did especially well on several horror "Round Australia Reliability Trials" (essentially vehicle torture tests).

    Simcas enjoyed some small popularity but were sold as appealing to women, excluding the vast majority of the 1950's Australian car buying public. Looking at the advertising now is cringe-making.

    One bizarre highlight was the petrol cap, concealed behind the tail light cluster and leading to recurring stories of new drivers being unable to fill them with petrol.

    Cheers

    Graham
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,598
    You've got the right ideas Graham, it's a ca. 1962 Maserati 3500GT with a Touring Superleggera body. The 3500GT was one of Maserati's most popular models of the era and its 3.5 Liter DOHC six was used in the Vignale Spider the Frua Mistral, Mexico and Sebring as well.

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  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,160
    I cut a Simca in half in high school, around 1969, with my new sabre saw. Guy was going to shorten it but I bet it wound up in the dumpster.

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  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,148
    edited March 2013
    Is this the La Ferrari? I read an article somewhere that states Ferrari ran out of names to call their cars, so they simply named this one the La Ferrari.
  • magnettemagnette London UKPosts: 1,928
    We had a Simca dealers near where I grew up in Wales and they were quite popular in the late 60's and early 70's. They eventually disappeared into Chrysler / Talbot and that went into Peugeot...
    They sold them with us as a sort of competitor for Fiat etc ie fairly nippy little cars but not durable in the long term. Quite rare now as they rusted like contemporary Fiats too.
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